BetterSafe,
If you already have the .270, then your 3 gun solution will work, just fine. Just be sure to put away enough .270 ammo for a rainy day. If for some reason you are not pleased with your .270 you may want to look at a .308 or a .30-06.
If you are comfortable with your .270, 10/22 and a 12 gauge; I see no reason why this combo would not have your bases covered. It sounds like you are an avid shooter. You may want to look at a basic reloading setup. I realize the old adage of it being cheaper to reload is no longer true. But at least if you have the know how to reload you can control the quality of your ammo and fine tune a load that works in your .270 that you may not be able to find in ammo bought off the shelf.
I, also agree with wookie, pistol shooting is a lot of fun. But I still would not make having a pistol in my bug-in gear a high priority.
I hope you are getting some useful feedback.
Cheers,
Mountainman.
Can I get opinions on the Mossberg 500? From what I have read so far they seem inexpensive (as opposed to cheap) and quite reliable. Davinci, in your gun sales career did you see many Mossberg 500's come back?
Any recommendations on inexpensive (as opposed to cheap) .308 bolt action rifles? For example, with hand loads I was scoring about 85% on gofers with a Remington 788 in 22/50 @ 250 yards. This was done with hand loads dialed up to the nearest 1/10th grain of IMR 4350 and 55 grain Sierra Blitz bullets loaded to about 4350 FPS at 70 degrees F. I did do a few mods to the 788 but it wasn't fancy, it just worked. That is a working gun not a show piece. If I found a rifle that looked like hell and shot like God himself was directing the bullet, I'd use that over a $4,000 rifle any day. In my books a rifle is a tool not a show piece.
Lets get real here, in a SHTF scenario I'm leaning towards .308 Winchester for several reasons. If you reload, 30 cal bullets are quite common. In a military ammo available situation 7.62 NATO will work in a .308 Winchester. Again if you reload, using different bullets you can load for small game up to pretty much anything in North America. If you load right, the different trajectories could be very close to vertical. (hold over/under for the given round) In SHTF I'd want to use a round as quiet as possible while bagging game to avoid making the next 4 counties aware that I bagged something, right down to bagging Bambi with a well placed .22 LR at short range. If you can 'head shot' a gopher at 75 yards you can hit Bambi's eye or behind the ear at 50 yards easy enough. How dead does dead have to be?
At the other end of the scale a warm/hot loaded 7mm Winchester Mag or (insert favorite magnum round here) would be heard for miles. In the time it takes to field dress a cloven hoofed critter someone who is far hungrier and has far less morals than you (I hope? 😯 ) would have the time to sneak up then remove both his/her competition for game as well as your prized partially field dressed game unless you are more accurate and faster than Bruce Lee with a knife. I know that it's hard to locate the direction of a single shot BUT what if you had to take a second shot to drop your badly needed protein supply? What if that 'other hunter' was near by and unnoticed?
With what I have loaded and shot in the past why am I asking questions? OK, workplace injury and economic circumstances beyond my control I had to sell all of my firearms about 25 years ago when I had a restricted FAC and a large caliber handgun (Super Blackhawk). A lot changes in 25 years. Bottom line, I'd rather eat and sleep indoors rather than be able to shoot outdoors where I would have been forced to live. I am challenging a PAL and possibly RPAL but only intend on buying long guns in the near future. (BTW that 10/22 breakdown is one SWEEEET little rifle in my books, I really really really want one)
Just food for thought, I think .22LR will be the round of choice for hunting in a SHTF situation unless you are near or north of 60. Compact, light weight, capable and plenty of ammunition choices. Really who past 50 yards in the bush is going to hear a .22 short plinking a squirrel? It ain't much but it would help a stew pot in SHTF. I would rather face 5 rounds of 5.56 NATO that 30 rounds of .22 LR. Both clips are legal and function well. What would you rather face?
Cheers,
BTR
Than= I’d rather be rich than poor.
Then= I first became hungry then I ate.
There = She is there now.
Their = They have their things.
They're = They're going to the mall.
To = They came to the house.
Too = That's too bad.
Right now, I'm looking at the Diana RWS 350 Magnum Professional Compact. As far as I'm concerned, it's just about the perfect small game rifle and it will take down pretty much anything that a .22 long rifle will. Plus, I'm betting that it'll be quieter than the .22 long rifle. Ammo is cheap too.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
Very nice choice that I forgot about. I've also looked at the Benjamin nitro piston .22 cal high velocity with similar energies. The thing I like about the Benjamin is that you can cock it and carry it 'loaded' without 'causing the spring to relax'. The silence factor when small game hunting appeals to me a great deal. Other than the cocking noise I bet the RWS 350 about as silent as a BB cap with probably better energy. The Benjamin is also very quiet as there is no spring noise, just the nitrogen cylinder releasing. I believe it cocks quieter also. Stocking 5000 rounds of pellets is near nothing in space, weight and cost.
Thank you Tazweiss for the reminder. 🙂
BTR
Than= I’d rather be rich than poor.
Then= I first became hungry then I ate.
There = She is there now.
Their = They have their things.
They're = They're going to the mall.
To = They came to the house.
Too = That's too bad.
Just remember, for any pellet gun that shoots more than 500 feet/second you will need a PAL to be able to purchase one.
Just remember, for any pellet gun that shoots more than 500 feet/second you will need a PAL to be able to purchase one.
Any political take on this?
Please advise us O enlightened one...
What agency do you work for DaVinci?
TROLL!!!
Just remember, for any pellet gun that shoots more than 500 feet/second you will need a PAL to be able to purchase one.
Got it covered.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
Thank you Tazweiss for the reminder. 🙂
BTR
Anytime.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
Just to reiterate DaVinci was stating a fact. IT IS THE LAW. In Canada and some European countries too. Most air guns are not classified as firearms with some restrictions:
" Currently, for the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of the criminal code, air guns are deemed not to be firearms, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge
(i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or
(ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules."
It is always the obligation of every prepper to be aware of any legislation that can impact their activities. In Ontario there are further restrictions that classifies air gun pellets as ammunition and requires that retailers record the identification of all ammunition purchasers. I have been asked for ID when purchasing ammunition for a sling shots.
Helping to make fellow preppers aware of legislation certainly doesn't qualify them as "trolls" and just for the record I do not work for any law enforcement agency.
YES, agreed you do need a POL,
there are some sweet pellet rifles and BB rifles out there that shoot over 1000 ft per second, and they need POL
everything over 500 needs a POL
TAZ,
are there any air rifles that fire over 900fps that have more capacity? The ones I have seen all seem to be single shots break open and reload again?
Thanks
Taz, what does this mean? Underlever spring piston.. not familiar with that one, or just plain forgot what it means?
.. then this one as well "Underlever multi-pump"?
Here is the site for the one you mentioned, it is very nice indeed, although single shot only seems.
http://www.dlairgun.com/Air-Rifles/Diana/029_RWS_350_Magnum_Professional_Compact.html
nice setup too bad it does not include the scope, O well.
they seem to have just a huge line as well
http://www.dlairgun.com/Air-Rifles/Diana/
It also seems a shame to be slamming someone for helping out
Gotta ask ICRCC, did you provide your id to buy sling shot ammo? Or did you take your money to another store with less intrusive, less idiotic policies. Stores are free to make this policies up. Shop accordingly.
Gotta ask ICRCC, did you provide your id to buy sling shot ammo? Or did you take your money to another store with less intrusive, less idiotic policies. Stores are free to make this policies up. Shop accordingly.
I would like to ask another question on this...is sling shot ammo legislated in Ontario?
Sorry, but being out of that province, I am ignorant to this issue.
TAZ,
are there any air rifles that fire over 900fps that have more capacity? The ones I have seen all seem to be single shots break open and reload again?
ThanksTaz, what does this mean? Underlever spring piston.. not familiar with that one, or just plain forgot what it means?
.. then this one as well "Underlever multi-pump"?Here is the site for the one you mentioned, it is very nice indeed, although single shot only seems.
http://www.dlairgun.com/Air-Rifles/Diana/029_RWS_350_Magnum_Professional_Compact.html
nice setup too bad it does not include the scope, O well.they seem to have just a huge line as well
http://www.dlairgun.com/Air-Rifles/Diana/It also seems a shame to be slamming someone for helping out
I've heard of high velocity, multiple shot airguns but only in Europe. The problem is that it requires a backpack, compressed air tank to operate them. I heard or read this years ago and was never able to confirm it.
To be honest, I don't know all that much about airguns. I'm still researching. As for single shot rifles, I grew up hunting gophers and small game with a single shot Cooey .22, so I don't mind a single shot rifle for my small game needs.
As for your last post, I've seen DaVinci referred to by the same derogatory term in other threads on this site. It's the same person attacking him each time. Perhaps the administrators should consider developing a maturity test for new members before allowing them to mix with the adults.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
This is the Ontario legislation re ammunition for air guns:
"Ammunition Regulation Act, 1994 S.O. 1994, CHAPTER 20
Definition
1. In this Act,
“ammunition” means a cartridge, shot shell or pellet. 1994, c. 20, s. 1.
Restriction re purchase of ammunition
2. (1) No person shall purchase ammunition unless the person is at least 18 years old and at the time of purchase presents valid identification that has his or her photograph and age or date of birth or other valid identification prescribed by regulation. 1994, c. 20, s. 2 (1).
and
Offence
(5) A person who contravenes subsection (1), except as permitted by subsection (2) or (3), is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable,
(a) for a first offence, to a fine of not more than $5,000;
(b) for a second or subsequent offence, to a fine of not more than $10,000. 1994, c. 20, s. 2 (5)."
Notice the Fine! Id is required for BB's and I am assuming that the sling shop ammunition is regarded as BB's. It isn't clear but what can you do other than be a good law abiding citizen. 🙂
Scrounger I will have to take the 5th so to speak on that question. 😉 We don't have a lot of choices where to shop in my neck of the woods. 👿