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Where can we find scaple and suture here in Ottawa and other first aid equipement

As far as a scalpel goes, a few exactor knives with spare blade would work, or I have seen the scalpel handle at a surplus store but not the blades. Sutures on the other, might have to be found at vet supply house.

Ok, so I've read through this topic to help myself develop a checklist (I love checklists) of what I should have as a basic kit. Here is what all of you have said:

WOUND MANAGEMENT
BANDAGES: TRIANGULAR, STERILE GAUZE 2X2 & 4X4, TENSORS, KERLIX ROLL BANDAGE 4", COMBAT DRESSINGS (ISREALI)
WOUND CLEANSING: SALINE RINSE, CHLORHEXIDINE SPRAY, RUBBING ALCOHOL, IODINE
WOUND CLOSING: STERI STRIPS, BUTTERFLY BANDAGES - MEDIUM & LARGE, CELOX WOUND CLOTTER, SUTURES
WOUND DRESSING: ABD PADS, TEGADERM, TAPE, TENSORS, COBAN WRAPS
WOUND SETTING: TOURNIQUETS, SAM SPLINTS, MOLESKIN, TOURNIQUETS,
WOUND/PAIN MANAGEMENT: OZONOL (ANTI-BIOTIC) OINTMENT, BURN GEL
PPE: GLOVES, MASKS , EYE/FACE PROTECTION
TOOLS: SCISSORS, TWEEZERS, HEMOSTAT CLAMPS,

MEDICINE
ASA & NSAID: PAIN RELIEF, ANTI-INFLAMMATORY - ASPRIN, IBUPROFEN (ADVIL, MOTRIN), NAPROXIN SODIUM (ALEVE)
ACETAMINOPHEN: PAIN RELIEF, FEVER REDUCER - TYLENOL
ANTIHISTAMINE: ALERGIC REACTIONS - BENADRYL
ANTIEMETIC: NAUSEA, VOMITING, MOTION SICKNESS - GRAVOL
LOPERAMIDE: DIARRHEA - IMMODIUM
ANTACIDS: HEARTBURN, GAS, BLOATING - TUMS

Is there anything else anyone can think of before I go shopping?
Thank you all!

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Ok, so I've read through this topic to help myself develop a checklist (I love checklists) of what I should have as a basic kit. Here is what all of you have said:

WOUND MANAGEMENT
BANDAGES: TRIANGULAR, STERILE GAUZE 2X2 & 4X4, TENSORS, KERLIX ROLL BANDAGE 4", COMBAT DRESSINGS (ISREALI)
WOUND CLEANSING: SALINE RINSE, CHLORHEXIDINE SPRAY, RUBBING ALCOHOL, IODINE
WOUND CLOSING: STERI STRIPS, BUTTERFLY BANDAGES - MEDIUM & LARGE, CELOX WOUND CLOTTER, SUTURES
WOUND DRESSING: ABD PADS, TEGADERM, TAPE, TENSORS, COBAN WRAPS
WOUND SETTING: TOURNIQUETS, SAM SPLINTS, MOLESKIN, TOURNIQUETS,
WOUND/PAIN MANAGEMENT: OZONOL (ANTI-BIOTIC) OINTMENT, BURN GEL
PPE: GLOVES, MASKS , EYE/FACE PROTECTION
TOOLS: SCISSORS, TWEEZERS, HEMOSTAT CLAMPS,

MEDICINE
ASA & NSAID: PAIN RELIEF, ANTI-INFLAMMATORY - ASPRIN, IBUPROFEN (ADVIL, MOTRIN), NAPROXIN SODIUM (ALEVE)
ACETAMINOPHEN: PAIN RELIEF, FEVER REDUCER - TYLENOL
ANTIHISTAMINE: ALERGIC REACTIONS - BENADRYL
ANTIEMETIC: NAUSEA, VOMITING, MOTION SICKNESS - GRAVOL
LOPERAMIDE: DIARRHEA - IMMODIUM
ANTACIDS: HEARTBURN, GAS, BLOATING - TUMS

Is there anything else anyone can think of before I go shopping?
Thank you all!

tums are for lowering acid in the digestive tract. that it's self may help gas, but i have no experience with trying that. taking too many tums can lead to acid rebound, which is more of a problem then heart burn it's self (harder to deal with)
gas or bloating are caused by food and your stomachs bacterial actions working. this can be over come with changing how and what you eat (and as you get older, this problem will be noticed more)

for gas "simethicone (Phazyme; Flatulex; Mylicon; Gas-X; Mylanta Gas) and activated charcoal. It is unclear if simethicone has an effect on gas in the stomach. However, it has no effect on the formation of gas in the colon. Moreover, in the stomach, simethicone would be expected only to affect swallowed air"

but the bacterial action of the intestine is another issue, and sometimes treatment with antibiotics is needed. (i have never seen this) but adding probiotics and other health bacterial to your diet is to help. . . no personal experience with this, i'm a vegetarian, i have my own problems lol.

as for medications, i have a tote full of them. . . a bathroom with many more, and some in the kitchen.

i don't push pills (lol ii'm a nurse that doesn't push pills) but i believe in using what is needed! i hurt my back a few years ago, pills didn't help, i could stone myself into next week and not feel it, but it was phsyio, and time that healed it. but when i locked my back up last spring, i couldn't move, it was a muscle thing, pills helped me sleep, but over all it was massage, physio, (with taping. . . yes it works if done right) and electrical stimulation therapy. (AND REST AND PILLS)

the muscle relaxants helped me sleep, the anti inflammatories helped me HEAL.
ibuprofen is a HEALING drug not a pain drug. (yes it works for pain) the wife will say "i hurt my shoulder" i say "take ibuprofen" she replies "i can live with it" well, that's what you might be doing!!!! take the ibuprofen for the anti inflammatory effects! take tylenol for the pain control (yes they can be mixed)

don't mix anti inflammatories (ibuprofen, ASA, toradol, or naproxen)
the stronger the pill the more likely you're going to have stomach problems. best to take with food. . .

i hurt my elbow in may, ibuprofen helps, (rest would help more) but some days the pain is really bad, it effects my function, which means when i'm using it i could be making the injury worse. i've found great relief with voltaren sp? cream. it's newer on the market, the pill form is great too. . . but the cream is OTC. . . get some of it.

bengay, myoflex work differently, and with good effect on pain, but no healing properties. they don't store long term (tested)

buy no name gravel, benadryl, tylenol, ASA, ibuprofen, etc. it's cheaper, and it works the same. some poeple do have trouble with generics meds, but that's a filler problem not a drug problem. (know yourself/family needs)

because this list could be endless, when i have time i'll type up what i stock, why, and all that. this list will take a while so feel free to drop me an PM in a couple of days saying "where's the list". i've got a full day of prep duties, and a sink of dishes, baskets of both clean and dirty cloths and a day off. . . wife's working so it'll be suicide or clean today 🙂

so don't let me drop the ball, PM if the list doesn't show up. (i can't cut and paste because the program is use doesn't let me)

Where can we find scaple and suture here in Ottawa and other first aid equipement

You probably would not or should not need a scaple. Not many of us will be performing surgery whith out a hospital system to back us up. Maybe some of us would be prepared to repair tendons and such as these are minor procedures but should be left to those skilled. That being said, if you send me a personal message I can drop one off somewhere in the West End for you as well as a couple sutures. First aid bandages etc can be purchased through some large phamacies but check out your surplus store for any trauma supplies or on-line. In a real emergency where you cant purchase these items you can boil a needle and clean a thread with iodine. Yes its true that there is an art to suturing but for minor lacerations that don't extend below the fat layer can be closed with a running stitch just like sewing cloth.

while i agree you shouldn't get stuff you can't use, on the other hand having the stuff is one step in getting the job done. post fan, finding a doctor might be hard, but finding a doctor with supplies might be more unlikely. you have a mole that needs taken off and you show up with the gean, you might get it done?!?!? poor example but you get the pont.

most of this stuff can be bought on ebay 😛 but quality is always in question. . .
i've bought stuff from vet stores, (hell TSC sells most of it) farm stores, body piecing places etc.
plus there are some really good first aid stores out there for more "common" items needed.

Thats an interesting point of view.

If you really want to "buy the parts and wait for a mechanic" check E-Bay under Vet surgical Instruments (same instruments as for humans) and set up a Emergency Surgical Tray. But if you just want a First Aid kit; as requested in the original post, I'm pretty sure you'll find a great description of the necessities above.

Personally I have enough medical and surgical supplies to run a small ER or OR but I also have the training, education and skills to use the tools I have. Its been mentioned that knowlege is everything and I suggest that if your going to have the tools you should endeavour to learn to use them 🙂

A great first aid kit? See the above posts. If you want to push it a bit farther we can discuss it under a new post.

Cheers

Thats an interesting point of view.

If you really want to "buy the parts and wait for a mechanic" check E-Bay under Vet surgical Instruments (same instruments as for humans) and set up a Emergency Surgical Tray. But if you just want a First Aid kit; as requested in the original post, I'm pretty sure you'll find a great description of the necessities above.

Personally I have enough medical and surgical supplies to run a small ER or OR but I also have the training, education and skills to use the tools I have. Its been mentioned that knowledge is everything and I suggest that if your going to have the tools you should endeavour to learn to use them 🙂

A great first aid kit? See the above posts. If you want to push it a bit farther we can discuss it under a new post.

Cheers

i agree fully, it was my post that encouraged the education part of all this. but there are always other view points that i don't totally disagree with. all the tools i have i can also use, i may have a large number of dressings/supplies, but i'm not giving those away to just any joe blow that i come across who's injury. i'll patch a person up, but if i can't easily re supple i'm not using dozens of dressings on someone outside of my group. but if joe blow is bleeding and sayings "can you help? here's my stuff" you bet i'm going to make sure he's got the best health care i can provide.

i bought a generator with no prior experience with them. i researched what i needed to know about them, found one that would work for my needs and bought it. i'm not saying everyone needs to run out and buy advanced medical supples, but i'm taking the idea to the next level. they can agree or disagree with me, but these thoughts aren't without value either way.

post fan there is going to be a time when community builds up again, and the more you have, the more you can do. . . and like i've pointed out in this thread and others, being multi skilled only benefits EVERYONE!.

i'm not sure what you mean about "pushing it" i'm giving points of view on the question asked. previous posts i talked about getting out of the "first aid kit" mentality. first aid kits are for "first aid" if there is a societal breakdown, you could be looking at providing your own "health care" i've been encouraging this change of mind set for a while now, nurses see things a lot different because of our training, we buy like you said "to run a small ER or OR" non medical people aren't going to do that, but they can push those boundries too.

when i learned to stitch, three docs were walking around a group of us stitching up pigs feet, they corrected our mistakes, answer questions, "taught" us how to do it. there where 5 out of 50 who were nurse or EMT's in that group, the rest were just preppers.

there is no limit if you're willing to learn, and there is no harm in different points of view.

respectfully!

Agreed, no harm in any others points of view. I intended no disrespect and actually agree with you. I just thought if we wanted to discuss (push it a bit farther) more advanced or really true health care post SHTF we could do it an new thread. I'm glad we share many of the same view points and hope to discuss more. I undertood the thread intened to inquire how to creat a basic first aid kit

Original post: "I am trying to find a list that someone had on here for first aid essentials. I have mine started but I can't find the list and wanted to check it. If they could be so kind as to send this list to me I would appreciate it.".

my bad. . . 🙂
an advance thread might be a good idea. finding some of the items are as easy as going on ebay, others are harder. (and illegal) injectable lidacane or IV fluids are tricky. . . and both are something i believe are needed. this is however, a public forum and i think it really must be kept legal 🙂 look at some of those doomsday preppers, making pipe bombs on national TV.

Agreed. You do need to be careful what goes up here, although personally we're ok but the site itself could be in trouble. Addenum: I have lido and IV at home 🙂
I think some of the ideas of the TV Preppers are good, some are really really poorly thought out. I wish we had more shows on the topic of prepping.

yeah, me too. . .

I have the following pdfs if you want them

FM 8-50 MEDICAL FIELD MANUAL
SPLINTS, APPLIANCES,
AND BANDAGES

WOUND CLOSURE MANUAL

U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Chemical
Defense (USAMRICD)
FIELD MANAGEMENT
OF CHEMICAL CASUALTIES

FM 21-11
FIRST AID
FOR
SOLDIERS

Where there is no doctor and dentist