Should've mentioned, I'm also considering a 10/22 with a folding stock and a 50 round mag. What it lacks in raw stopping power, I think it makes up for in cheap, plentiful ammo. If I come under fire from a distance, I can afford to keep pumping ordnance in his direction until he dies or goes away. Messy, but effective...

Please read the following post.
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4507

Please read the following post.
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4507

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at...unless it's the insinuation that a gun might be used for self defense at the end of the world...that's kind of implied by the existence of this forum.

ETA: I re-read my original post a few times. If it was that part about "circumventing" the 5 round limitation on rifles, the Kel Tec Sub 2000 is a carbine that uses pistol magazines. In other words it can use 10 round mags legally. That'll all I meant.

Yes, you are correct on that one...a magazine designed for pistols can hold up to 10 rounds, including if they are used in a rifle.(expect this loophole to be changed soon though as the activists have caught on).
However, yes, you should have made that clear in the OP.
Now, as far as I know, the 50 round mag in a 10/22 is a no no...please correct me if I'm wrong.
Please keep in mind who may be reading this forum...I have already had to deal with a former member and illegal firearms issues.

Yes, you are correct on that one...a magazine designed for pistols can hold up to 10 rounds, including if they are used in a rifle.(expect this loophole to be changed soon though as the activists have caught on).
However, yes, you should have made that clear in the OP.
Now, as far as I know, the 50 round mag in a 10/22 is a no no...please correct me if I'm wrong.
Please keep in mind who may be reading this forum...I have already had to deal with a former member and illegal firearms issues.

I've found mention of the Ruger-branded 25 round magazines being banned by name, but as far as I can tell, you can still get 25, 50, and 110 round mags for the 10/22. Though the 25 round versions are probably more practical now that I look.

DUUUUHHHHHHHH!
Sorry, 10/22 fires a rimfire, not centerfire....
My mistake...brain fart.
Just jittery on the gun subject since a past event.
The rugers were banned because they were advertised as a pistol mag as well, so restricted to 10 shots.
From what I understand, Ruger will be trying to solve this with a new package.

10/22 mags in all capacity are legal in Canada. A colleague had bought the drums for his 10/22 and it was an abysmal failure with failures just about every 2 rounds. I'd advise the stick with the 25 rounds STEEL lips one.

They make the 10/22 takedown that comes apart and fits in a small pack (included). Though not as accurate as other 10/22 (I've tried to mount a good quality optic on it but I couldn't get *great* groupings), it is a very convenient little gun. The advantage too is that you can easily store 1000s of 22 rounds for cheap and without tons of bulk.

Also, I wouldn't be too quick into thinking of guns as just self defence options.

The CZ 858 t2 is the gun the fits the bill. It is lightweight, much lighter then even the most dressed down sks and has a factory metal folding stock. Shoots the 7.62by39 which is a good sized round and will take down large game just fine and I have had a buddy shot at least 2 deer with this ammo, I have also heard it called the poor man's bush round, they are easy to get in bulk military crates for cheap but are dirty rounds and you need to clean your rifle well and often; but you can get around that issue if you buy new brass instead of the dirty military surplus. I typically buy 1200 rounds for about 240 to 300 bucks of the surplus stuff cause i don't mind cleaning and have sks's as well, but I do highly recommend the cz over them hands down. The rifle it's self is a little on the pricey side as well at about 769.00 to 800 bucks in comparison to the sks at about 150 to 200 with wood stocks, or up to 500 fully dressed with, rails, scope and such. But it should come with the military cleaning kit, which isn't all that good, but will work it you don't have one or whatever. As well as the reason I LOVE this rifle, it comes with 4 magazines that are factory made 30 rounders. Now before you jump on me about that, they are pinned to 5 rounds. removing this pin will allow for 30 rounds to be put in, but this is illegal and should never be done under any reasons or unless SHTF in a very very big way. They have tried to ban the cz and the sks before and have failed twice, and I believe they may try again after 5-10 years as they tend to forget that they tried before and try again. Prob cause the cz looks like a small ak variant or something, but it is not and operates differently. But currently you can get the non-restricted one at almost any cabela's and maybe even wholesale sports. The restricted version just has the shorter barrel so no biggy. The sound that the action makes on the cz when first cambering a round is loud and intimidating, but not as loud as some pump action shot guns, but still that raw, metal on metal sliding action that is very recognizable. The slide stays back after the last bullet has been fired just like the sks and you can reload either with a new mag or by stripper clipping rounds in like a sks, but having the ability to change mags easier and quicker then ne sks is also a huge plus. Just my personnel fav, everyone has their own go to rifle, this one just happens to be mine. Also for the cz scopes are hard to mount to them, I recommend a green laser with barrel clamp. I have never put a scope on my cz and probably never will. I do realize that limits my distance a bunch but i'm ok with that, as this rifle was made for the nitty gritty close combat situations of the 1940's to 1960's in soviet russia.

Henry makes a very small and compact .22LR survival rifle that would go in a backpack or attache case and not attract attention from the neighbors on range visits, but it is a short-range piece. Some decent coyote ammo and good placement, and a .22LR can do the job for self defense. The dirt bag poachers love them for deer in Calif. and Alabama (that I know of for a fact). I'm something of a 10/22 woman for the .22LR, but the Henry breaks down smaller. Of course, the more moving parts something has...
I own one, but in retrospect I do not think I'd buy another takedown 10/22. It's two screws to remove it from the stock and a 4" difference in length when pulled from the stock, for ours.

Unless you're required by law to use a certain type of bag, what about a guitar case, cooler, or one of the long rectangles used to transport pop-up pavillions to keep the neighbors from seeing? A soft case could always go inside for once you're at the range. One guy with nosy neighbors at my club hit freebie websites and gutted an electric keyboard - he mentions that he's a dead loss musically, which is the God's honest truth (he just hums at church; not a joyful noise).

If you get into a long gun, a surplus 98K Mauser or Mosin-Nagant may be an option. The K98 is a bolt-operated 5-shot contained well mag, so it's likely to be the last on banned lists (at least here) so it's a relatively safe investment and has been a deer, elk and bear rifle in my family for decades so I know it will drop big, tough things quickly if I need it to. It can be stripper clip fed, so faster than others of its ilk to reload, and a variety of ammo for it tends to be available, relatively inexpensively for the caliber.

One thing that's legal here but maybe not there is 80% builds. The 80% lowers aren't FFL/federal-level tracked and neither are the parts. Maryland can no longer build them, but that's a state restriction - VA and AL and many others still can. None of the parts are restricted for building the rest of the firearm. Magazine capacity allowances vary by state. It's one of those legal-option loopholes for avoiding notice and having a paper trail that says "rob me", at least for a while and in the States.

the 10/22 takedown is just as reliable and accurate as its standard model counterpart. Also... not sure what screws are being talked about... mine does not have any screws, just a just of a button, a twist, and viola... compact plinker

the only place to find a cz 858 is through classified personal ads. you wont be able to find to many on store shelves anymore, and from what I understand they are not being shipped anymore. the vz 58 is comparable... but more expensive, and not as hardy from what ive been told. Basically its a "nicer" version of the cz858

Been playing out scenarios in my head and considering what will and won't be an advantage. For now atleast, I think I'm going to leave the battle rifles alone. For a "me myself" scenario the rifle isn't worth the extra weight and the attention it draws. For defense of a suburban neighborhood, a .22 has more than enough range to cover the space between houses. So a few .22 rifles spread amongst the neighbors should make for an adequate medium-range defense. If attackers get in close enough, then that's where the pistols will shine.

So for the short term, I think I'll look into getting a few Henry AR-7s and maybe some 10/22 Takedowns. Stealth is still paramount to me, and the AR-7 looks like I could conceal it under a jacket in a pinch, as I head off to hunt pigeons or whatever. Any backpack whatsoever would probably make me a target of interest, so I'll avoid such things unless I'm bugging out.

Thanks for all the replies so far.

Been playing out scenarios in my head and considering what will and won't be an advantage. For now atleast, I think I'm going to leave the battle rifles alone. For a "me myself" scenario the rifle isn't worth the extra weight and the attention it draws. For defense of a suburban neighborhood, a .22 has more than enough range to cover the space between houses. So a few .22 rifles spread amongst the neighbors should make for an adequate medium-range defense. If attackers get in close enough, then that's where the pistols will shine.

So for the short term, I think I'll look into getting a few Henry AR-7s and maybe some 10/22 Takedowns. Stealth is still paramount to me, and the AR-7 looks like I could conceal it under a jacket in a pinch, as I head off to hunt pigeons or whatever. Any backpack whatsoever would probably make me a target of interest, so I'll avoid such things unless I'm bugging out.

Thanks for all the replies so far.

Uhh...

When I get a chance I shall address this properly.

-S.

Here I go flip flopping again. I stopped by the range and unexpectedly they had Sub 2000s in stock. In Glock trim no less. It's actually more compact than I expected. Took a while to find a comfortable shooting position but I did. I may buy one after all.

I'll still get an AR-7 because I think open carrying a rifle in a SHTF scenario is a really bad idea. But the Sub 2000 will be a good home defense piece.

I know a larger caliber rifle may not be something you are looking into at this time, but I would advise against relying on a .22lr caliber firearm for home defense. There is plenty of ballistic info to support using a larger caliber for obvious reason. .22 caliber billets can be stopped simply by thick clothing. I know you will be able to find examples of cases where it has been lethal, but I wouldn't put much faith into a caliber that can be stopped by winter clothing... That's just me.

On the other hand, for the scenario you are describing of having something smaller, compact, and concealable for small game hunting, the .22 is a fine choice. I don't see an issue with having several of them around... I just would rather not have to rely on one for my personal safety, or that of my family. If I had to choose between a pistol in 9mm and a .22lr rifle for personal defense... I would go with the pistol any day.

If someone shot at me with a .22 I would be pissed haha