Oldschool, I'd suggest that you get the issue addressed as soon as possible.

Well, for some small lumps and bumps depending on where, they could be removed, and stitched up, example moles that are turning, so with the knowledge we have now in regards to cancer, we could be careful and so small surgery in a true SHTF, of course infection and or no pain meds or antibodics for afterwards would need to be considered, but there is a fair amount of herbals that would help in those ways as well if the knowledge and skills are there.

As for larger issues, again that would come down to the skill level in your group or community or town, if you had a doctor with skills, its possable that certain parts could be still removed, example, toes, foot, or breast etc, but again, you would have issues to a point with after care and life function, but its still doable.

Now moving onward to true internal cancer's, well herbs and food could be used to a point to help with immune issues but as harsh as it sounds, the answer would be that folks would pass on from what is now a possable treatable condition..

I have read that the shock and blood loss was just as much of a killer as the surgery was in many cases in the older surgery hospitals and yet many folks also did live though and figure out how to move forward.. humans are a tough lot, right up to the point that we are not..

Oldschool, I'd suggest that you get the issue addressed as soon as possible.

They come back year after year....removing them each year is the only way to stop them from turning into cancer. The longer they are in me, the greater the chance will turn into cancer.

In a catastrophic SHTF event the practice of Medicine and health care in general would devolve to the point it was maybe 75 or more years ago before the advent of x rays and laboratory tests. In that age medicine was at least as much an art as a science and most diagnosis were made by the presentation of the disease, the clinical picture, and then the application of the physicians knowledge and experience. In most cases health care was reactive to disease instead of scouting for illness as we do now. To answer your question oldschool... people will not have any where near the resources or ability to deal with ongoing health issues. Life expectancies will fall and once again disease that have become easily treated will once again become a real and sustained threat to life. Simply put... people will die and there will be little recourse. With the knowledge we have we can reduce some disease. We can mitigate the transfer of illness through hygene and sanitation methods. One thing I have repeatedly tried to emphasize here is that in a true SHTF scenarion... you will have to drastically lower your expectatins of what you can accomplish. Virtually everything that is taught in first aid is just that. It is a first step and is predicated on the assumption that you have a whole health care hierarchy to back you up. THAT will not be there... no ambulance.. no ER. Just you. You need to learn the jump from first aid to longer term care for the disease or injury. A case in point.. and many find this blasphemous... but... if there is no backup why even begin CPR? Take away the emotional response and what you have been taught by Heart and Stroke. In a true SHTF scenario you are not just First Responder... you will be the ONLY responder. NO ONE is coming to help you. Even if you regain a pulse are you prepared to support that life with the equipment and skills that would be found in an ER then ICU setting? The answer will be no. I am not trying to be harsh or mean... just realistic.

JAB

Wow all comments are really an eye opener.

JAB you bring up a good point, why do CPR if there is no other back up. I guess it would all depend on quality of life after a major health issue if the SHTF.

My grandmother's first husband died from appendicitis in the mid 1930s

Now to make light of it a bit, making fun of myself - if the SHTF and I can't get the medical care, I will be completely full of shit lol 🙂

So much in the medical field today depends on technology. Diagnostics especially. Not to mention labs that perform various tests on blood, urine, and biopsies.
All this will be gone after a very serious incident.
My guess is that a lot of the doctors that are left will simply not be able to accurately diagnose health issues.
Even if they could, as has been mentioned, how would they treat a lot of the issues we are able to today?
Today, we treat terminal issues by increasing quality of life for as long as we can, then it's a matter of making them comfortable until the end.
I think that a lot more issues will become terminal...and we won't be able to treat them in any way.
Yes, in many respects healthcare will go backwards by centuries.

I know I'm just a beginner in the field of naturopathy, (and I know that not everyone believes or trusts this type of healthcare) however what I'm learning includes........
Naturopaths rely on the complete health history of a client, followed by inspection of nails, hair, tongue, skin, eyes plus auscultation of heart, lungs and gastrointestinal tract (this is just the basics)to assess a clients health issues including the presenting complaint. Before the invention of all the medical imaging equipment & machines etc currently in use, a lot of people relied on the local man/woman who made up herbal potions to treat their illnesses. Naturopathy is not invasive (so issues that require surgery cannot be undertaken by a naturopath) but the theory is that by keeping your body in "balance" you can avoid most health issues - it is not infallible as it relies on the diagnostic techniques and skills employed by the naturopath who then provides the recommended treatments to address the cause of illness (not the symptoms). The procedure is really no different to someone who works with animals daily and who gets to recognise the symptoms of illness in those animals, and who then home treats those animals to address the cause of the illness. I also agree with most of what JAB and Denob said in their posts.

A lot of the middle aged to older doctors you find who are still outside of big cities are some of the best out there. Why? Because they don't have all the fancy equipment and diagnostic equipment at hand like there counterparts in bigger cities. They can pick up on many things that are now relegated to our current technology.

I think that the technology thats evolved and is great if it's in place. But doctors who don't always have the latest and greatest technology on hand have to go back to the basics and can really surprise us at what they do! In a SHTF scenario, Medical doctors won't up and disappear, but perhaps a lot of the technology would be greatly reduced or unavailable. These medical doctors that have "done without" in the first place will have an edge.

From personal experience working in the field there are 2 distinct types of Doctors. There are technicians and clinicians. Technicians are mostly dependant on technology to diagnose your ailment. They will do a large number of tests to see what is wrong with you and act on the results. The clinician on the other hand depends on their knowledge, experience, critical thinking as well as physical exam and history to narrow down the illness then uses tests to confirm it. They are much more likey to be correct in both diagnosis and treatment.

JAB

From personal experience working in the field there are 2 distinct types of Doctors. There are technicians and clinicians. Technicians are mostly dependant on technology to diagnose your ailment. They will do a large number of tests to see what is wrong with you and act on the results. The clinician on the other hand depends on their knowledge, experience, critical thinking as well as physical exam and history to narrow down the illness then uses tests to confirm it. They are much more likey to be correct in both diagnosis and treatment.

JAB

And a lot of natural therapists are "clinicians" as described by JAB in the above quote and can achieve the same outcomes. If a qualified biomedical doctor can diagnose and treat illness using the above method then the same can be said for a qualified natural therapist.

Had a nasty scare in the last 2 weeks...my god-father had a rupture in his small intestine. What struck me was that if there were doctors but no blood products, he still would have died.

He found it interesting that the paramedic talking to the hospital said "the blood was coffee grounds". He had no clue what that meant but I do. Sometimes we can diagnosis the issue, know the course of treatment but without the proper tools we are still powerless.

Hi, you all shared really nice information here about the Health. Actually there are some multi reason why I always suggest to all my friends must have a first aid kit in the home and during the traveling too.

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