I'm back, after a weekend of vegetating in the comfort of my wood heated cabin and watching movies thanks to the solar panels on my roof. Imbibed a little too much, but none the worse for wear. We plan to start building the shop in May. It's just going to be a little one for my woodwork and other projects. With any luck, I'll be just about ready to move in permanently by this time next year. I guess the only downside is no phone service so no internet. My wife says that she's fine with the whole idea and that maybe she'll even come visit on weekends. I sometimes wonder if she's trying to tell me something. I've stayed out there over the summer before and got along just fine on about a third of my monthly military pension. Which, by the way, isn't enough to require me to pay taxes if it was my sole source of income. Maybe that will make me a freeman on the land (or the local hillbilly). Gonna have to watch out for them revenooers.

I'm back, after a weekend of vegetating in the comfort of my wood heated cabin and watching movies thanks to the solar panels on my roof. Imbibed a little too much, but none the worse for wear. We plan to start building the shop in May. It's just going to be a little one for my woodwork and other projects. With any luck, I'll be just about ready to move in permanently by this time next year. I guess the only downside is no phone service so no internet. My wife says that she's fine with the whole idea and that maybe she'll even come visit on weekends. I sometimes wonder if she's trying to tell me something. I've stayed out there over the summer before and got along just fine on about a third of my monthly military pension. Which, by the way, isn't enough to require me to pay taxes if it was my sole source of income. Maybe that will make me a freeman on the land (or the local hillbilly). Gonna have to watch out for them revenooers.

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Thank you everyone for your imput. I will say again I am not a freeman. I think many have missed the point the freemen are making. I do not believe they want to live without payng a FAIR share to society. They want what most of us want. To pay our equal share. Unlike the majority within the 1% who would pay nothing if they could. They want fairness in the judicial system which is sadly broken. Less Government. Is this all bad.

Just to make a point. when I last checked my birth certificate, in very small print print it clearly stated "BANK NOTE OF CANADA" at the bottom. And oh yes. Common law is the root to all "laws" based in England, the Republic of the United States of America, and Canada.

And whether it is legal or not. Try not paying taxes, or doing any contravention to any statute, or ficticious law , and or Act of Parlaiment, and you will find yourself in jail.

Thank you everyone for your imput. I will say again I am not a freeman. I think many have missed the point the freemen are making. I do not believe they want to live without payng a FAIR share to society. They want what most of us want. To pay our equal share. Unlike the majority within the 1% who would pay nothing if they could. They want fairness in the judicial system which is sadly broken. Less Government. Is this all bad.

Just to make a point. when I last checked my birth certificate, in very small print print it clearly stated "BANK NOTE OF CANADA" at the bottom. And oh yes. Common law is the root to all "laws" based in England, the Republic of the United States of America, and Canada.

And whether it is legal or not. Try not paying taxes, or doing any contravention to any statute, or ficticious law , and or Act of Parlaiment, and you will find yourself in jail.

I think the Freemen are trying to think as free men. Nothing wrong with that. I found it interesting how many people on this forum got so po'd because they thought the freemen were getting anything for free. I don't think the FM statement is about the monetary part of it, I think it's more about being able to make personal choices, without the government and church noses' in it.
Do you have to pay taxes in jail?

you all need to invest in a blacks law dictionary 8th eddition. go to chapters and get on and have a read and you will be suprised. Also i will give $100 to any of you that can find a law that states we have to pay income tax. it must be spacific! watch Zeitgeist Addendum and come back here and talk. I dont like what thease people are doing and i am not one of them but at least they are doing something. We live day to day and prep for what we think is coming but do nothing to change it now. maybe under it all thasts what they are trying to do.

It's pretty scary how such a fundamentaly unstable principle could lure in so many people. Wanting less government is one thing, believing you have a right to exist and leech off a society without following its basic laws, rules and generally accepted codes of conduct is something else entirely.

Perfesser said it best - we have to learn to reduce our consumption and improve our overall efficiency. That does not mean we have a right to use "public" transit systems in an unsafe manner (ie: without insurance to protect your potential victims), or to steal anything that doesn't belong to us (who cares if a house is deserted, it still belongs to someone or something that ISNT you).

We can - and many of us already have - find ways to live simpler, cheaper and within the law. Farm land is cheap and growing crops to survive takes little more than your own sweat and tears. You can park a camper trailer on that property and live to your heart's content with little to no interference from the outside world and no building codes to worry about.

But don't belly ache to me that you're after some more nobler goal when what you're really gravitating to is just a cop-out mentality with a focus on escaping personal responsibilities and taking/using that which isn't yours to take.

oddmott your missing the point, we all are. They are fighting agains a system, the new system mad up of laws that mean nothing. it sounds crazy i know but really in principal what they are saying is true. Again invest in a blacks law dictionary (the oldest and thus the most credible law book available) and read up on it. any law in that book trumps all others.

This is the problem with our society and why it is haeding in the direction it is, because people speak with out knowing the truth. We quote laws that mean nothing. take the Law just passed in the us making all of us terrorists, the constitution trumps that and actualy makes that law and any laws and policys related to it nul and void and making it ileagle in the process. The FMONL dont know but they are trying. No they are not right for doing it for the reasons they are doing it but at least they are making an attempt to use real laws to protect their rights. it is hard to understand so just read the book and you will see. We are getting to the point in our society where we do what we are told and are to afraid or just to dumb to ask any questions. we vote people we dont know into government to lead our country we allow banks governments and corperations to do as they please to us with out question, but it is our right to do so! you have probubly spent countless days reaserching food storage tools and othere prepping stuff to prepair for something that "might" happen, try putting some of that time to use reasearching you rights as a canadian and what laws are in place to protect them, what you will find might suprise you.

I have very little issue with my rights as a Canadian. Nobody is abusing me and nobody is taking advantage of me in any way that impacts my life. I live free because I have no intention of doing any harm to others.

I enjoy being able to travel nicely paved highways, I appreciate that when i'm ill or injured I can get care at top notch hospitals from dedicated staff (and failing that I have plenty of naturopathic options too), I'm thankful i received a great education... each and every one of them provided by the tax dollars that "Freemen" feel they shouldn't have to spend... but have no problem milking the profits from.

They are not fighting against any sort of system 2012Compatible... they aren't pushing for change. All they are doing is acting as self-interested wildcards. They are using completely BS arguments to try to get away without paying basic costs of living in our society.

I know they're BS because I've seen their pathetic arguments absolutely squashed in Ontario courts. They stand and blather inconsistencies and outright lies, trying to twist our laws... and each and every time they have their butts handed to them. They're a complete and utter joke.

as i have said they are using laws and quoting policys and have no idea what they mean. I also agree we live a pretty good life comared to the rest. we are a herd of cattle kept fed just enough and healthy just enough to make sure we are happy to stay in the pen. milked for all we are worth and discarded when we are un able to keep up with production. we dont question it because we are afraid to loose the status quoe. We vote in government officials because we are afraid to loose public services instead of for the reason that we might gain something. we are forced to choose the guy withthe smallest foot so when he puts it in our ass it wont hurt so much, not because he is offering more or better then the other guy but becuse he is the best of a bad situation. maybe if thease guys learned what the meaning of thease laws are and how to use them properly instead of using them to escape reality some good might come from it.

It's pretty scary how such a fundamentaly unstable principle could lure in so many people. Wanting less government is one thing, believing you have a right to exist and leech off a society without following its basic laws, rules and generally accepted codes of conduct is something else entirely.

Perfesser said it best - we have to learn to reduce our consumption and improve our overall efficiency. That does not mean we have a right to use "public" transit systems in an unsafe manner (ie: without insurance to protect your potential victims), or to steal anything that doesn't belong to us (who cares if a house is deserted, it still belongs to someone or something that ISNT you).

We can - and many of us already have - find ways to live simpler, cheaper and within the law. Farm land is cheap and growing crops to survive takes little more than your own sweat and tears. You can park a camper trailer on that property and live to your heart's content with little to no interference from the outside world and no building codes to worry about.

But don't belly ache to me that you're after some more nobler goal when what you're really gravitating to is just a cop-out mentality with a focus on escaping personal responsibilities and taking/using that which isn't yours to take.

You can't do what you want with your own property? You pay the bills but, the almighty "THEY" say what you can and cannot do. Perhaps you are unaware but you are NOT allowed to park a trailer on YOUR property and sleep in it more than 60 nights a year, in Ontario. Yes 60 nights and it's curtains for your trailer because at that time you have to move it off YOUR land. You are NOT a freeman even on your own land. I could go into this further with you but it I know you'll investigate it for yourself so I'll save myself the aggravation.

The majority of people that are pushed will accept it, others will push back. Enough is enough.

The only valid point the Freemen have contributed is that no one in Canada is soveriegn. OK Great what are they doing about it? Nothing. They are in the woods with their beans and AKs. We will sort out the mess and they will be happy.

All the rest of it is so obvious to be painful. Less government, Tariffs, cheaper energy, booming birth rates ect ect. Those things build a great society and country.

We are not on that path.

It's pretty scary how such a fundamentaly unstable principle could lure in so many people. Wanting less government is one thing, believing you have a right to exist and leech off a society without following its basic laws, rules and generally accepted codes of conduct is something else entirely.

Perfesser said it best - we have to learn to reduce our consumption and improve our overall efficiency. That does not mean we have a right to use "public" transit systems in an unsafe manner (ie: without insurance to protect your potential victims), or to steal anything that doesn't belong to us (who cares if a house is deserted, it still belongs to someone or something that ISNT you).

We can - and many of us already have - find ways to live simpler, cheaper and within the law. Farm land is cheap and growing crops to survive takes little more than your own sweat and tears. You can park a camper trailer on that property and live to your heart's content with little to no interference from the outside world and no building codes to worry about.

But don't belly ache to me that you're after some more nobler goal when what you're really gravitating to is just a cop-out mentality with a focus on escaping personal responsibilities and taking/using that which isn't yours to take.

You can't do what you want with your own property? You pay the bills but, the almighty "THEY" say what you can and cannot do. Perhaps you are unaware but you are NOT allowed to park a trailer on YOUR property and sleep in it more than 60 nights a year, in Ontario. Yes 60 nights and it's curtains for your trailer because at that time you have to move it off YOUR land. You are NOT a freeman even on your own land. I could go into this further with you but it I know you'll investigate it for yourself so I'll save myself the aggravation.

The majority of people that are pushed will accept it, others will push back. Enough is enough.

If that is the case then the government would have to PROVE that you slept in your trailer for more than 60 nights in one year. I have a feeling that would be very difficult.

Found these videos. After watching them I now think the freeman movement might have some legal weight.

A 'freeman' is pulled over in London, Ontario because he has a homemade license plate. He has no license or insurance and he drives away!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfbfpz4iYDU

In this video another freeman crosses the US/Canadian border with a homemade passport no problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ2LjhSE3JE

Makes you wonder.

It's pretty scary how such a fundamentaly unstable principle could lure in so many people. Wanting less government is one thing, believing you have a right to exist and leech off a society without following its basic laws, rules and generally accepted codes of conduct is something else entirely.

Perfesser said it best - we have to learn to reduce our consumption and improve our overall efficiency. That does not mean we have a right to use "public" transit systems in an unsafe manner (ie: without insurance to protect your potential victims), or to steal anything that doesn't belong to us (who cares if a house is deserted, it still belongs to someone or something that ISNT you).

We can - and many of us already have - find ways to live simpler, cheaper and within the law. Farm land is cheap and growing crops to survive takes little more than your own sweat and tears. You can park a camper trailer on that property and live to your heart's content with little to no interference from the outside world and no building codes to worry about.

But don't belly ache to me that you're after some more nobler goal when what you're really gravitating to is just a cop-out mentality with a focus on escaping personal responsibilities and taking/using that which isn't yours to take.

You can't do what you want with your own property? You pay the bills but, the almighty "THEY" say what you can and cannot do. Perhaps you are unaware but you are NOT allowed to park a trailer on YOUR property and sleep in it more than 60 nights a year, in Ontario. Yes 60 nights and it's curtains for your trailer because at that time you have to move it off YOUR land. You are NOT a freeman even on your own land. I could go into this further with you but it I know you'll investigate it for yourself so I'll save myself the aggravation.

The majority of people that are pushed will accept it, others will push back. Enough is enough.

If that is the case then the government would have to PROVE that you slept in your trailer for more than 60 nights in one year. I have a feeling that would be very difficult.

I like the way you think! I believe in the laws of Big Mama, not the laws of little humans.

We don't have to live more simply. That is utter nonsense. It is a Luddite's dystopic dream. The whole thrust of science technology and production are greater levels of effiency. That's it. with those greater levels of effiency comes cost savings in manufacturing and LESS WASTE. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH CONSUMPTION! if you feel guilty for consuming fine, your problem. But don't foist your issues on the rest of us. I will not live in your dream world nor will my son! Deny your children not mine.

Unless you're happy that our retirement age is 67. Both concepts are the beginnings of Austerity. IF you're fine with less consumption them you're ready for more government austerity. Move to Greece or Spain or Portugual or the Ukraine or....