29 May Evening
- uncovering Ukraine fascism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrG_UZibwbU
Must see: amazing that they even wear Nazi uniform proudly and teach their children to hate at such an early age. It leads to the mass killing of 116 pro-Russians at Odessa with EU side filming the event.
The video is 1.5 hrs, I started watching it but I have better things to do than watching the whole video. Can you point to where in the video it's being demonstrated that the Ukrainians, as a people, are fascists, Nazis and extremists, please, Thanks
The video is 1.5 hrs, I started watching it but I have better things to do than watching the whole video. Can you point to where in the video it's being demonstrated that the Ukrainians, as a people, are fascists, Nazis and extremists, please, Thanks
The video shows that there is a strong fascist society amongst the Ukraine people. The protests we've seen throughout this conflict show this also to be true. The EU used them to create the havoc that the more level minded majority would not partake in. As mentioned before, video show that fascism is alive and well in the Ukraine. I do not claim the whole west is fascist at any time. I present evidence that it exists and now we know where those fascists who promoted the Kiev riots likely came from.
I thought that they were maybe a young organization promoting something they knew little about, yet this video shows those old enough to have lived through WWII as the likely driving force that created this present society. The proof that the EU collaborated with them was shown earlier with McKain shaking hands with their leader before the riots.
Manipulation is a tactic that allows those who pull the strings to stage events while claiming innocence. For a crime to be prosecuted in a court of law, there first must be a motive. I have shown that there are a few. Then evidence is presented to show intent.
The are three classes of evidence:
(1) Real evidence: something you can see, touch, and therefore exists. (It was the dude's knife used in the crime..)
(2) Circumstantial Evidence: the dude was in the vicinity of the crime at that time, etc.
(3) Hearsay Evidence: that which cannot be proven.., (we heard he hated the deceased)
I have tried to use video(real evidence) to contradict the lies(hearsay only) we receive daily in our news. When they air, I ask myself which class does their media fit into. I note that which is worthy of believing and try to ignore the rest. Then I pursue the story from our opponent's perspective. Seems that they always have video as proof while we do not. Then I look for motive from both sides.
Most often they only want to exist in peace and the fights seems to come to them. It is hard not to notice that those dying are all from their side. Also hard not to notice they have no real army, weapons are few and they usually don't fight back but wish to talk their opponents into peaceful solution.
If you disagree with my conclusions, please review some of these videos...just even scroll through them quickly. Look for items to show who is who. Note who is the aggressor. If you class media shown to you daily in the way I mentioned above, you will easily see through the manipulation tactics they use.
30 May Morning
RT news is back on today but limited in content it seems...no more pro-Russian video footage or interviews from them or others on You Tube anymore!
- RT Crosstalk: political debate over Ukraine and effects to date https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZqCm7pyZCY
all against EU manipulations of Ukraine but many good points of how 1 sided the conflict is
- proof many in the west don't believe in the violence being imposed on those in the east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2cClim79ng
this is a prayer from those who really do want peace, note the size of the crowds who would attend church during these hard times. The line "not to sell my conscious" seems to be a message to the rest of the nation, yes?
That's it! Alot of remakes from earlier footage just being reposted as the communications lockdown on east Ukraine continues. Lots of EU media stating how good a job the new leader is doing such a good job, while not mentioning that he has only been killing instead of talking with those in the east as promised before elections.
31 May Morning
- Press TV: Russia charges that Ukraine violates 4th Geneva Convention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FlvK8vpUgA
- Press TV: Russia urges Ukraine and EU to stop this fratricide of those in the east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlkCOGTEb58
- BBC news: state Russia is pulling back troops off Ukraine border https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ro7x_5dcGA
- Obama tooting is own horn about how the US actions contained Russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYIVcWyf9VA
- interesting opinion in this concept that Putin is traitor to NWO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W85OnL4xtY
it also points out that he therefore is a liberator to the rest of the world be it temporarily
Al usual, there seems to be no new video footage coming out of east Ukraine anymore due to blocking of communications. This is a dangerous time for those people of the east because see no evil means no evil was committed.
31 May Morning
- interesting opinion in this concept that Putin is traitor to NWO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W85OnL4xtY
it also points out that he therefore is a liberator to the rest of the world be it temporarily
Really!!! Are you really serious ? I mean, honestly, you left me without any words. I thought we could have had an intelligent discussion about serious events and you come up with this kind of stuff. Not that it came as a surprise, you were going this way. My advice to you is this: get rid of the tinfoil hat, relax on the conspiracy theories and stop believing all the BS on youtube just because it's against the mainstream media controlled by the corporatist government and maybe you'll be able to get it.
Really!!! Are you really serious ? I mean, honestly, you left me without any words. I thought we could have had an intelligent discussion about serious events and you come up with this kind of stuff. Not that it came as a surprise, you were going this way. My advice to you is this: get rid of the tinfoil hat, relax on the conspiracy theories and stop believing all the BS on youtube just because it's against the mainstream media controlled by the corporatist government and maybe you'll be able to get it.
(BTW, prom is commenting on this link that I presented https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W85OnL4xtY )
OK, now that you have stated your opinion, why don't you give proof to me instead that I am on the wrong track. And proof has to be something tangible, not just innuendo. I present you with evidence that you cannot explain away, and in return you present me with an opinion that I am crazy. Do you think that all the people of Germany knew of the slaughter being committed upon the Jews? They were told that they were being relocated elsewhere and that was enough to silence their conscious. Is that all we need today? That is the making for those better defined as "sheeple"!
Now I don't really know what to think about the NWO concept. There are definitely alot of coincidences that occur which support those who do follow this train of thought. The reason that I don't support it is because there isn't enough real evidence to back it up. Like your quick conclusion that I must be nuts, you have too much soup without enough meat!
What I have already suggested earlier is to separate the fact from the fiction by asking yourself what kind of evidence each tidbit of information is.....( please note that the following evidence is classed as circumstantial evidence as it fits real events and actions that did occur)
Now for the reason I presented it!
- At time 6:30 to time 7:30 they state what will happen to Ukraine. It is sad but to this I agree with his supposition. The reason he states Russia will likely not interfere is they will not give the US reason for war because the US needs a war to stave off their otherwise inevitable collapse.
- At time 9:00 to 15:30, we are shown Russia's reasons for arming Syria and Egypt and how they use it to control the balance of power in the middle east. (some smart moves if all is true)
The rest I simply view as "hearsay" by the narrator to sway the viewer into his line of thinking. This is some of the stuff I mentioned earlier that has value but I often don't present due to the other content. I used it this time to present these important points this video presents.
Many who back the US believe that the US is unstoppable and therefore they will at least be on the winning side ( as likely many followed the Nazi's for this exact same reason). We have watched for years how the US have bullied nation after nation, leaving destruction in it's path while padding the elite's pockets along the way. They fought an unseen enemy called "terrorists" while all we saw was a weak nation being occupied in the name of freedom.
I do believe that many nations now see Putin as the good guy over Obama. They are not bombarded by the false media we are presented daily. We all know the US has made alot of enemies and that China will back Russia should a war occur. So why don't we try to reign in the US? Because they need this war and the EU needs their gas and want it cheaper at all costs!
31 May Afternoon
- Associated Press: families flee Donetsk as Ukraine fighting continues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCA_RnJw3k8
- Ukraine's right sector is to clear Kiev of barricades and tents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8k8oiKyVjU
- Ukraine army claims to now occupy large areas of the east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojXZhMdKdBA
-Ukraine News: Donetsk barricades are being removed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6NhMHzarEo
- US condones Ukraine military tactics used to capture the east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6zZC3eIREY
- Vice News: (elsewhere) at least their working on the Thailand Coup these days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8ANhBGw22w
the military proclaimed martial law. note: most of their weapons seem to be American.
The news on this subject is becoming only "Hearsay evidence" as all but supposition is left regarding the situation in the east. The Ukraine military is obviously going to gain total control in any event with their superior numbers and weaponry. Unless they resort to some extreme measure that they are unlikely to do, they will conquer the east in a very short time. Then NATO will install it's military base to further threaten Russia and meanwhile we can await the US starting something else.
Putin the pizda.
I do believe that many nations now see Putin as the good guy over Obama. They are not bombarded by the false media we are presented daily.
Really? Seems like plenty of media bs on all sides. To believe other wise would be pretty naive.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/09/us-russia-media-idUSBRE9B80I120131209
Putin the pizda.
Really? Seems like plenty of media bs on all sides. To believe other wise would be pretty naive.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10802683/Ukraine-crisis-why-do-so-many-politicians-admire-Russias-Vladimir-Putin.html
- an American article that if carefully read states Alex Salmond, the Scottish National Party leader, said this week that he admired Putin for having “restored a substantial part of Russian pride”. It further states that while he did not approve of Mr Putin’s politics, he found his handling of the Syria crisis “brilliant”. The article goes back and forth criticizing and praising Putin. Seems if put side by side with Obama, Putin would win this popularity poll hands down.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/09/us-russia-media-idUSBRE9B80I120131209
- a better article by Router magazine stating that Putin is using the media to influence the Russian people... sorta like what the US is doing throughout North America, Yes?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/11/inside-putins-campaign-of-social-media-trolling-and-faked-ukrainian-crimes/
- American owned Forbes magazine states Putin rewards reporters who spread his version of the news. Again this is likely true and tactics used by both sides. I mentioned earlier a simple way of better discerning the truth in media and hope that you use it to separate the lies being told be either side.
- same as the others but regarding bloggers with their personal opinions
This isn't supposed to be a competition of who finds dirt on who. We should focus on what is presently happening to those in the Ukraine. They are positioned at ground zero and ill-equipped to deal with surrounding events. Outside forces control their surroundings and they face becoming the war zone that Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria became when these same forces focused on them.
What's got some of you in a knot is that I am pointing out that we, the supposed good guys, are instigating and invading countries for their resources and not for their (those we invade) freedom 😮 ....the shock... 😮 the horror... that our government might be lying to us!
The final difference though, is that the US is trying desperately to start a major war and if they get their way, it will effect all of us, our friends and family. You can debate it all day, but it is obvious that Putin doesn't want a war. If one should start, we started it! All the lies and BS can't hide this fact.... we are the aggressors this time, not the defenders! This war will be over resources, who has them and who is willing to take them! We, the little people, will be the pawns that the elite manipulate to try and take them. I you really want this fight , you should at least know what you are fighting for!
What's got some of you in a knot is that I am pointing out that we, the supposed good guys, are instigating and invading countries for their resources and not for their (those we invade) freedom
Here is one simple question for you: name one country that at this point has invaded and annexed a territory that, at the beginning of the year, belonged to a sovereign Ukraine.
The answer should be only the name of a country, a country that annexed a portion of what was internationally recognized ukrainian territory. No links to obscure youtube videos or personal comments, just a name of a country.
I have another question for you if you answer this one correctly.
Here is one simple question for you: name one country that at this point has invaded and annexed a territory that, at the beginning of the year, belonged to a sovereign Ukraine.
The answer should be only the name of a country, a country that annexed a portion of what was internationally recognized ukrainian territory. No links to obscure youtube videos or personal comments, just a name of a country.
I have another question for you if you answer this one correctly.
Did you miss what I stated earlier, that the legitimate PM of Ukraine was hiding in Russia due to a coup being orchestrated by the EU. In Russia's perspective, they had both the PM and Crimea's invite(96% vote it seems) to go in. The US & EU jumped to support the new leader (you know why) and started this whole event with the spin that Russia was the invader with our media. This is fact and if you won't even ask yourself why we immediately backed the coup instead of trying to restore the PM, you've already started down the wrong path. If you don't ask why the east has so much video footage and the west doesn't regarding violent acts against them, then you know simply want to believe in your governments stand on this instead.
Many to date still deny that 9/11 was an orchestrated event to give the US reason to invade Iraq. While those in power tried so hard to destroy all evidence, the lies were so full of holes that the wary saw thru them without much effort. The majority of the people still refuse to accept this overwhelming evidence(too much to start into here) which would dethrone those who created it, yet do nothing because they would then have to admit their country were the aggressors all along.
Today's governments count on the human statistic that 2/3 of the people (sheeple) will simply follow a given direction presented by others. With those tactics the Germans used to conceal events of the Holocaust from the majority of their people, later governments discovered that the media was a wonderful tool to manipulate the masses. If you wish to ignore the real evidence ( as would be defined in a courtroom) and instead believe that a coup detate produced a fair election which also happened to suit our needs, then you likely believe that Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria are much better off now that they were invaded too. And with a track record of disinformation that our media played throughout all these past events, you'd think that one might not accept their tales, hook, line and sinker!
Show me proof of any decent armies that we have fought in any of these conflicts. All that you see on TV is some "rebel" with an AK or rocket launcher wearing his civilian clothes, untrained and trying to operate that which he was not trained to do. Where are their tanks and artillery, their jets and helicopters? How can they win against our armies with so little? Yet we swallow the story that they somehow provoked our rath and deserve our justice of beating them into the stone age. Your TV holds my proof of this...where is yours?
Here is a famous American talking about this takeover.... Ethics Professor Noam Chomsky on Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE9cJ_8ur3A
01 Jun Morning
- US Vice President's son is now on board with Ukraine's gas company https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MSZ6KUQmdI
try to explain this one away...the obvious connections are impossible to deny.
There seems to be no more news other than that of the EU. RT now seems very limited in it's American news and all others are blocked. No footage is getting out of the Ukraine or being allowed on You Tube. Some may think this is just. I see it as another evolutionary step to the diminishing our democratic system. We are becoming more controlled by government actions that better fits the definition of fascism than democracy these days.
I can see no reason to continue this thread anymore as all I have left to present to you is conjecture. The proof that I shared of atrocities occurring in Ukraine can longer be acquired. The only perspective that we will see regarding this crisis is now totally that which our government wishes us to see. Just remember that other countries do not share a common view of this event because they can still see the other perspective and still see who the obvious aggressor really is.
~ Knuckle ~
This isn't supposed to be a competition of who finds dirt on who.
Actually I wasn't playing tit for tat on dirt. Just providing a rebuttal to this
They are not bombarded by the false media we are presented daily.
Any chance you will answer Proms question? FYI, the "invite" as you term it happened after the Russians had already occupied Crimea, not before. Your timeline is off quite a bit. But lets not have facts get in the way of a good theory.
Did you miss what I stated earlier, that the legitimate PM of Ukraine was hiding in Russia due to a coup being orchestrated by the EU. In Russia's perspective, they had both the PM and Crimea's invite(96% vote it seems) to go in.
Seems like he had good reason to hide. 😆
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116986/what-ousted-ukrainian-president-tried-hide-he-fled
Now I never said that Yanakovich wasn't dirty. And I know too that Russia has centuries of history regarding warfare and slaughter. But they still are not the cause of this present conflict. There is a new kid on the block who has only gained more cunning and strength over the last 60 years. He has studied the art of war thru deception and is ready to take on the big boys! That is how they play the game. Gather dirt on your opponent and use it as leverage to control him . We can find dirt on pretty much any person who is involved in politics for very long. The bottom line is that the US started the riots as a rebuttal to being dropping for Russia instead. The recorded phone calls with plotting from Newlund showed the beginnings of this game and the first under- estimations of Russia being asleep at the wheel. When Russia saw that they might lose their hold on Crimea, they likely ensured they were invited, but at least they stayed within their rights of number of persons allowed there as set by their previous agreement. So in this way, they did keep it all legal in the eyes of the world. It was after this that the new dictator argued and then Crimea held elections with 27 countries in witness to overseeing their fairness. And to date they still haven't broken any rule as their election occurred before the new supposed government took office.
You still deny the motive and outcome of this takeover. The EU wants the gas that Ukraine has. This coup seemed to come at just the moment that they would otherwise have lost this deal. Harper's stupid statement that they had to help them back onto the Euro-Atlantic path is like an admission that even Canada participated in the creation of this coup to attain this goal. So be it! The EU is in...now what? The US will set up another military base and continue it's completion of the missile defense system that Russia said they would not allow as it threatens encampment, which breaks another earlier agreement while the EU gets their gas at a huge discount from the Ukraine which reduces their reliance on Russia for gas.(wouldn't it have been cheaper to just buy it instead?)
And meanwhile Russia is just going to allow themselves to backed into a corner? No sentient being likes being cornered, yet Russia's continual backing down shows they don't want a fight. Their naval war games with China should be a warning not too push any harder because they can be stopped. But then why is the US is also threatening China with military actions over some puny islands near Japan. Why threaten 2 major countries at the same time? That seems to be just begging for trouble. Why entice these two opponents to stand together against the UN? It's like saying the game isn't balanced enough so we'll give you...how about China?....Will you fight us now? ....What else do you want....let's see if India wants to play yet...!
You know the saying that it takes two to make a marriage, but only one to break a marriage? Does that sort of logic work with countries who are trying to get along (or not) too?
02 Jun Afternoon
- a CCTV camera in Lugansk captures explosion from jet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzYBnKt0phc
hard to imagine what the target was but it seems to be traveling forward
- graphic aftermath of above attack on civilian population https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofeZ-P_P0eA
- compilation from east attacks, school and hospital hit, at 39:20 shows dead civilians from attacks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ-fqg1GU98
- US pledges 18 Million to Ukraine defenses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3kT-lHAE5Q
- a decent short NBC explanation of Ukraine's geographical differences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjYQzzlcMI
- amateur rebel video in Lugansk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7jS9Smury0
- civilian video showing Ukraine aerial dominance by Ukraine jet and helicopters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPrN0QeNxFM
- Ukraine News: Russia aks UN to stop violence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFBlJLmEjh4