I don't know if the conspiracy theorists are right about Russia's intentions with their "military exercises" on Ukraine's border. But it does beg the question: Who the hell wants to fight Russia?
It seems that for decades now the US has been like a giant among midgets. Countries like Iran, Iraq, and North Korea will bite their ankles every now and then but none of those "wars" ever so much as knocked over a coffee cup back home. Russia however is not a midget. The most apt comparison might be a 300 pound guy fighting a 200 pound guy. The outcome of the fight would be uncertain at best, and it sure as hell wouldn't be fun.
More to the point, who would support the US taking action against them? What would Putin have to do for the cotton-padded American people to decide that a "real" war was worth it? I'm talking massive numbers of troops leaving to die, bombs falling on American cities, the kind of violence that the US hasn't truly seen since the 1800s.
From what I gather, Russians lead something of a mediocre life compared to the North American standard. I could see them following their glorious bear-riding leader to war, while I'm not sure Americans would follow Obama down the street.
So can Russia get away with whatever it wants?
I suppose it is should be up to Ukraine to stop the progress of the pro russians and tell them to leave and move to russia if they
don't like Ukraine, and if they won't leave, they might have to shoot them all. But Ukraine has already let them
get this far, and they probably will let them continue as they don't really want to be in a war and killing people.
I see it getting worse.
When Ukraine became sovereign they should have stated that all citizens had to become Ukraine citizens and give
up their Russian citizenship or , leave at that time and move to Russia. That would have moved them out of the
region . It would mean they could ask everyone for their passports or citizen card today and find out who they are.
At present it is hard to tell if part of them are pro russians , or are actually russian troops or if it is 1/2 and 1/2 or just what .
That is because they did not make them give up russian citizenship and become Ukraine. It would have prevented
so much current trouble if they had done that way back then. Doing so at that time would have forced the issue
to make them choose.
The much bigger question is "Should anyone be willing to stand up to Russia?". Incredible amounts of propaganda going around on multiple sides and for the first time in along time...I cant get a good read on it. Its caked on icing thick like a fifty year old re entering the dating world and thinking its the eighties.
RT suddenly became Fox news. That was obvious...and abit of a shock to me when I saw it happening. American news is always....modified...by alphabet soup agencies.
Sooo, what's the real story. There is something none of us are getting and I'm still not sure what it is.
How many of you have watched Noam Chomsky's classic " Manufacturing Consent" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO51ahW9JlE
It changed how I examine the news...and I have dated reporters.
My news choices span from the extreme right to the extreme left and like Homer puts it, "The Creamy middle", just to guess at what the real news actually is. This one is baffling even me.
Im not up for writing ate the moment but I will try to chime in latter with my thoughts on Ukraine. I'm guessing its pay back for US adventurism in Syria and Iran
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I have been wondering the same thing. I get the feeling that Putin doesn't really care about the sanctions being imposed on Russia and that he knows he can do whatever he wants because the west will not be willing to start WWIII. Which leaves the west in the position of letting Putin get what he wants or starting that war. Those are some crappy choices. The other thing I am wondering is whether these sanctions might piss Putin off enough that he decides to start a war with the west. I know war would be as bad for them as it is for us, but I get the feeling he isn't as afraid of it as we are. Just my thoughts. Not sure where the reality lies.
Yes, the threat of WW3 is always there, but is Putin bluffing on it?
If troops were sent to help Ukraine under the guise of allied excercises (Canada sent fighters yesterday) and had to step in to prevent Putin from invading...then the spin could be that it was Putin that started it all. (manufactured consent?)
I sometimes wonder if the end game is to reassemble the old USSR...or at least as much of it as possible.
I do agree that there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.
The leader of Ukraine has publicly stated that he will use military actions to defend the country, but has yet to do anything at all.
kinda makes ya go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Agreed, I think Putin wants to reassemble USSR , but pick and choose which sovereign countries to take. Taking the weak first.
It is obvious that Ukraine is weak and today the news headline says
" Ukraine says it's helpless to restore order in east " as Pro-russian separatists seize more buildings in east Ukraine.
It sounds like they are letting them take it , so that Nato Forces HAVE to come in to the rescue. It would help greatly
if they stepped up to the plate ( and should have already ) , and issue sanctions and warnings against the pro-russians and state they have 24 hours to get out
of Ukraine or be prepared to be gunned down. They should also evacuate the residents in the area now so that they
don't hurt any Ukraine non separatists and limit any more hostages taking. I also imagine Ukraine fears the hostages
will be killed if they start gunning down the enemies
It is also possible that the pro-russians have been planted there well before this started, such as 6 months ago, or 1 year,
such that they are really russian troops . Were are these ProRussians getting their weapons and supplies ?
Another issue is that much of the eastern Ukraine is russian citizens to begin with. This is a lesson to be learned, to not
allow another country to have such a strong hold of citizens , and in this case force people to become Ukraine to live and have jobs .
My favorite Noam Quote of all time is that the media today is like in the old soviet union. You have to read between the lines or what's not being said. That's the real news.
Sooo, The 300 pound gorilla in the room. Since the fall of the soviet union the US decided to rule the world. What they couldn't take over (Badly) they sent covert forces in to destabilise. Name your country. But they decided to go after Syria and Iran, Russia's allies, neutering Russia. Russia's been taking it up the pooper for along time now and seems to be standing up in an expand or die sort of way. Russia is on the brink.
So, Ukraine. Plenty of US maleficence there. A Coup that brings into power Sloboda?(formerly the Ukrainian Nazi party) sharing power with the Ultranationalist Right Sector. Basicly the same as if The Arian Nations took over the prime ministers senior staff...and submissive to the US state department to give it legitimacy and funds.
And here we are, trying to get the missing parts of the news. What"s not being said. With the full on propaganda and crack down on media, we are not hearing much about the anti Putin protests in Russia. Im also noticing not a lot of info from common Ukrainians. My big question is what percentage of the common man actually supports the extremists. Im getting nothing on that so I really have no idea what's really going on in Ukraine. Next, we have John Kerry, name calling and picking a fight (There is a guy that needs to be water boarded) He will support any douche bag that makes him more money through war, from Alcada to right wing death squads to Neo Nazis . So, here I sit trying to figure out whats really going on.
There is some important prepper lessons to learn here, though. This is the type of cultural breakdown that happens as a country approaches bankruptcy. People divide up into groups and blame the other for whats happened (Just like what we are seeing in the States at the moment). Then people behind the scenes that see the opportunity to seize power because of the chaos, start stoking the flames of division. Full On Game Of Thrones. The common man gets manipulated into being pawns
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There is some important prepper lessons to learn here, though. This is the type of cultural breakdown that happens as a country approaches bankruptcy. People divide up into groups and blame the other for whats happened (Just like what we are seeing in the States at the moment). Then people behind the scenes that see the opportunity to seize power because of the chaos, start stoking the flames of division.
Agreed, well put Cernunnos. What I am getting from some of the common Ukraine people ( I know some ) is basically what we see the government doing
which is nothing, all they want todo is live and be left alone, they don't want to fight. While they don't support the extremists, they don't want
to fight for what is theirs, they will do what the government has been doing , nothing, and let them take . It is much worse over there already for
the common Ukraine people than we are hearing. Everyone is scared. I will ask some more questions to find out more current this week what is
happening at the common Ukraine citizen level. How they are coping, what they are prepping, and if they have already moved .
OOPS! I misspoke. I meant John McCain not J Kerry. I hope that makes better sense.
Im thinking of doing up a Tshirt that says "Waterboard McCain"
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OK. Here we go. A report by a politically neutral person that I Respect, and it seems Im reading some of this right after all. You only get half of the report.
http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/85369/warning-ukraine-flashpoint
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Wow, that is definitely different. I like that he too is painting a picture with a neutral brush. His sarcasm is well placed while pointing out possible outcomes from specific actions. He reads us the history behind each organization and shows US as the true aggressor. We can see this story likely has a bad ending unless enough bad publicity makes the US back down....yet it seems they have come to far to do that! A definite must read.
Alright , I post this here as it is the city of Donetsk having a vote to go neither with EU or Russia. They are proclaiming themselves an independent state. I doubt that either side will accept this but they mention they are more pro Russian, likely just meaning that they mainly do not accept the new leadership of Ukraine. If Russia denies them this option, they too will receive a black eye as they proclaim they are not interfering in any way. If the EU attacks, Russia will likely defend them to win them over....a dangerous game for Donetsk but a worthy move, just the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz8SmbVCK_s
This guy is not nearly as good as he thinks he is...then again, nether am I.
Still, good info. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA
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I post the following news which is UI supported. What I commonly see presented by the UI is statements about pro Russian attacks but no video to back it up. The only death tolls as of pro Russians. The videos showing the common people of Ukraine are always pro Russian. Does the EU think that proclaiming something is so without proof makes it believable. Since I understand neither Russian or Ukrainian, I watch the people in the videos to see if their actions match that being said by the reporter. I find the lack of video to back up their statements makes the EU look bad in the public eye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLoHVzG5nCI
It seems ironic that even Germany is offended by the present Nazi affiliation of the EU. It seems it is getting harder for the EU to deny this as there is much video showing their actions in violent actions occurring daily. Yet someone went to the trouble to make this video as professional as possible to make their comments seem true.