I guess this leaves no question as to the agenda of the government even though they got many votes on the illusion of scrapping the registry.

So, umm... how are people going to prove the long guns belong to them when they go to collect? I guess police will be recording serial# and address where they got them, and of course names of the owners who claim them.

Thats exactly what I was wondering about. If you bought a long gun in a private sale, or didnt "get around to registering it" previously, and show up to claim it, what are they going to want for proof of ownership. Do you really think if they were breaking down doors during a flood, to 'rescue' all these firearms, that they carefully recorded s/n's and addresses of every single one? And I really want to know what they did for homes with a gun safe?

If they had the town surrounded with RCMP members, and spike strips, but still had to confiscate guns, isnt that like them saying "well we are trying to keep the city safe, but our superiors dont think we can do it, so we are keeping your guns safe some where else"

Edit: I haven joined the NFA yet Canadas National Firearms Association, but I am going to right now. To help fight for firearms rights. I am shocked at what happened in Alberta

This is unconfirmed at this point, but this is my understanding...
Many municipalities have a volunteer registration system intended to gather information in the case of theft.
If your gun got stolen and you had registered it with the municipality, they would have all the information regarding the gun on file for the report.
If this is the case, there should be many people in Calgary that did not get their guns "confiscated" if they had not voluntarily registered them.
Again, this is unconfirmed.

I'm entering this forum with no more hard information beyond what I've read over at Canadiangunnutz.

From what has been theorized, some gun owners removed their property from their basements. This was because they didn't want their guns and other possessions to be underwater.

A spokesperson on this story said that police entered houses and took possession of arms left "in plain sight" (I'm not going to argue the veracity of that, because I do not have first hand knowledge. All will come out in due time.)

If this is the case, I would suggest anyone in a similar situation ( of having to leave guns in their dwelling in an emergency ) should construct an alternate locked storage vault, which neither looters nor emergency responders will find.

Yes, I just found that one too...
They claim to have been looking for humans trapped and that any guns that were stored in a locker, safe, or place where humans could not be were not confiscated.
If this is the case, I hope that there are plenty of non gun owners with busted in doors!

It's still against the Charter of Rights for police to enter homes without a warrant. (Now animal humane society officers, they can come onto your property and confiscate as they please at least in Ontario).

Sun News had a clip about the gun confiscation thing too.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/06/20130628-021149.html

No doubt the onus will be on the gun owners to prove ownership. No receipt, (wet or not), no returns, I should imagine.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. This is a precedent moment: if the RCMP is allowed to exhibit this behaviour without recriminations they will do it again and cite this incident for justification. Someone needs to fight this for all Canadians.

Ok heres a link to the federal emergency act I believe: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/E-4.5.pdf

Heres another link to the Ontario Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90e09_e.htm#BK13

In the Ontario one if you scroll down to the "Emergency orders" section you will find it is probably very similar to the acts that were used in Alberta. I havent found Albertas, or B.C.'s yet but will post when I do. I havent had time to read these in full detail yet either but I will.

One thing though, we are focusing mainly on the gun control issue. Which is a big issue I admit and thats the main topic of this thread that I started. But lets not just look at the gun aspect of all this. What about our food and water that we preppers have been storing? It seems to me that there is much more at stake than just guns. What about checkpoints? Theres a lot of concern involved in this story.

BC emergency program act: http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/LOC/freeside/--%20E%20--/Emergency%20Program%20Act%20RSBC%201996%20c.%20111/00_96111_01.xml#section4

"Powers of minister in declared state of emergency

10 (1) After a declaration of a state of emergency is made under section 9 (1) and for the duration of the state of emergency, the minister may do all acts and implement all procedures that the minister considers necessary to prevent, respond to or alleviate the effects of an emergency or a disaster, including any or all of the following:

(a) implement a Provincial emergency plan or any Provincial emergency measures;

(b) authorize a local authority to implement a local emergency plan or emergency measures for all or any part of the jurisdictional area for which the local authority has responsibility;

(c) require a local authority for a municipality or an electoral area to implement a local emergency plan or emergency measures for all or any part of the municipality or electoral area for which the local authority has responsibility;

(d) acquire or use any land or personal property considered necessary to prevent, respond to or alleviate the effects of an emergency or disaster;

(e) authorize or require any person to render assistance of a type that the person is qualified to provide or that otherwise is or may be required to prevent, respond to or alleviate the effects of an emergency or disaster;

(f) control or prohibit travel to or from any area of British Columbia;

(g) provide for the restoration of essential facilities and the distribution of essential supplies and provide, maintain and coordinate emergency medical, welfare and other essential services in any part of British Columbia;

(h) cause the evacuation of persons and the removal of livestock, animals and personal property from any area of British Columbia that is or may be affected by an emergency or a disaster and make arrangements for the adequate care and protection of those persons, livestock, animals and personal property;

(i) authorize the entry into any building or on any land, without warrant, by any person in the course of implementing an emergency plan or program or if otherwise considered by the minister to be necessary to prevent, respond to or alleviate the effects of an emergency or disaster;

(j) cause the demolition or removal of any trees, structures or crops if the demolition or removal is considered by the minister to be necessary or appropriate in order to prevent, respond to or alleviate the effects of an emergency or disaster;

(k) construct works considered by the minister to be necessary or appropriate to prevent, respond to or alleviate the effects of an emergency or disaster;

(l) procure, fix prices for or ration food, clothing, fuel, equipment, medical supplies or other essential supplies and the use of any property, services, resources or equipment within any part of British Columbia for the duration of the state of emergency."

So in this particular instance if you have something properly secured and even stealthly stored so it is not at all apparent there is even a safe , there should not be a problem, those seized were improperly stored in the open ?

" (l) procure, fix prices for or ration food, clothing, fuel, equipment, medical supplies or other essential supplies and the use of any property, services, resources or equipment within any part of British Columbia for the duration of the state of emergency."

Whoa, so much of your prep supplies can also be procured for rationing ? You want to keep your pantries on the stealthy side too.

Exactly syn. Your prep supplies can be taken at anytime. Also it looks to me like your property can be aquired, and even destroyed in order to prevent or alleviate the effects of emergency or disaster. Also point (e) maybe I am misinterpreting this point, but it looks to me like example if you are a doctor you may be legally required to give assistance. Dont get me wrong, I think if you have this type of skill you should be morally obligated to offer assistance. I dont like the idea of possibly beiing legally required to do so though. Maybe I am misinterpreting that one though.

Exactly syn. Your prep supplies can be taken at anytime. Also it looks to me like your property can be aquired, and even destroyed in order to prevent or alleviate the effects of emergency or disaster. Also point (e) maybe I am misinterpreting this point, but it looks to me like example if you are a doctor you may be legally required to give assistance. Dont get me wrong, I think if you have this type of skill you should be morally obligated to offer assistance. I dont like the idea of possibly beiing legally required to do so though. Maybe I am misinterpreting that one though.

I would interpret point (e) to mean that anyone with skills necessary to address immediate needs such as medical, electrical lineman, heavy equipment operator etc , could have their services redirected under a leader appointed by the government for the duration of the emergency. I would also interpret it to mean that those persons could be moved around the province to where the needs are. I believe in the Federal legislation that most of the provincial legislation is built on has provisions that address security of employment for those that would be affected meaning you could not be fired for not showing up to your day job. You are correct when you say that individual and private property could be confiscated and used by the authorities. That said it is much more likely that the application would be to more commercial ventures such as food and clothing stores, buildings that could be used as shelters. It could also be applied in the manner of billeting evacuees from the affected areas into private homes.

JAB

They saw their opportunity, they took it. "Hundreds of unsecured guns in plain sight" seriously?? If you believe that, let me sell you a bridge. 😆

Guys...this may be another hype vs. fact thread.

I wouldn't like the idea of "the state" entering my house either, but this is pretty isolated and an example of what happens in a large scale disaster. I have a friend in Alberta and the photos, scope of the disaster is nothing short of tragic..

So first off, the RCMP are not specifically going after gun owners. They are going door to door looking for survivors, but mostly dead people at this point. The government has sealed off areas because there are still huge saftey risks now that the water has subsided. We complain that "the state" has sealed off areas...but the first person to die in a sink whole, or become ill from sewage flooding,etc. and then we are complaining "why didn't the gov't do its job and warn/protect us from the danger they knew about...

As fir the gun thing,from what I've seen on the news, and heard first hand...it's been a rare occurrence that the rcmp has confiscated guns. Basically when the flooding occured, a lot of people took there guns out of storage and brought them out of the basement or got them ready for transport. they have been stored insecurly, and the rcmp has an obligation and I would say rightly if they r out in the open. They have very loudly said in public statements no charges are being laid, and they will be making arrangipements to return the guns to the owners as reconstruction goes on. Simple as that. If your guns were stored properly, they didn't take them, and again really don't care about them. They are there going door to door looking for people and bodies, and immenent dangers.

Exactly syn. Your prep supplies can be taken at anytime. Maybe I am misinterpreting that one though.

I must say this whole thing makes me rethink my storage....and pisses me off.

When we purchase a gun from a store it is recorded in a book for the province record is it not
Maybe these records were some how accessed