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(@aaronbouge)
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I don't own guns, but I think think this is crap. Please discuss.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta/Hell+Residents+angry+RCMP+sieze+guns+from+High+River+homes/8588851/story.html



   
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(@farmgal)
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I agree, just posted on it as well on the flood thread..

Very interesting! I wish the had made note of how they knew which houses had them, if they only removed unsecure one or did they take out whole gun safes!


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(@laurelian)
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Holy shiznit. I expected this, but it is still frightening to behold. Forced entry to keep guns safe? Scary times ahead.



   
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(@ottawalonewolf)
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I do see RCMP's concern. Unsecured firearms could be a problem. However, I do not like RCMP going into my house and grab my belongings.
Here is a question ! how does RCMP knows who and where has firearms ? if residents do not have restricted firearms, how could RCMP know which households have what !



   
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(@laurelian)
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I do see RCMP's concern. Unsecured firearms could be a problem. However, I do not like RCMP going into my house and grab my belongings.
Here is a question ! how does RCMP knows who and where has firearms ? if residents do not have restricted firearms, how could RCMP know which households have what !

Contrary to popular belief, there are still records of the old gun registry. The RCMP may not hold it anymore, but affiliated groups can. For example, I dealt with a VPD property office that held all the old registration numbers of a family members non-restricted firearms. It was outdated and not updated, but it was still a relatively recent list of every local gun owner and his/her's restricted and unrestricted firearms. Since they weren't actually cops it was legal for them to hold it. Legal gray area.



   
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(@ottawalonewolf)
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I do see RCMP's concern. Unsecured firearms could be a problem. However, I do not like RCMP going into my house and grab my belongings.
Here is a question ! how does RCMP knows who and where has firearms ? if residents do not have restricted firearms, how could RCMP know which households have what !

Contrary to popular belief, there are still records of the old gun registry. The RCMP may not hold it anymore, but affiliated groups can. For example, I dealt with a VPD property office that held all the old registration numbers of a family members non-restricted firearms. It was outdated and not updated, but it was still a relatively recent list of every local gun owner and his/her's restricted and unrestricted firearms. Since they weren't actually cops it was legal for them to hold it. Legal gray area.

oh dear !! 😯 That explains everything. Thanks.



   
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(@farmgal)
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Fair enough but they are not to have that data at their finger tips anymore, correct? so it still begs the question, how did they know which house? did the owners say something themselves when they registered themselves at the community center?

so many good and reasonable question on the how and why? that this article does not cover, more Information is clearly needed.


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(@laurelian)
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Fair enough but they are not to have that data at their finger tips anymore, correct? so it still begs the question, how did they know which house? did the owners say something themselves when they registered themselves at the community center?

so many good and reasonable question on the how and why? that this article does not cover, more Information is clearly needed.

I don't know. There may be an archive that has all the information at their fingertips. Or there may not. Your absolutely correct, we need to know more. Is anyone with the National Firearms Association that can raise this issue, send a journalist after these mounties to get us some info?



   
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(@wha)
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They probably went by who holds a PAL.



   
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(@ottawalonewolf)
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They probably went by who holds a PAL.

if that's the case then RCMP has to break down a lot of doors.
I would say base on people who goes though my company's PAL course, a good portions of students are taken the course
A. just because B. they want to apply for CBSA



   
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(@anonymous)
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So, umm... how are people going to prove the long guns belong to them when they go to collect? I guess police will be recording serial# and address where they got them, and of course names of the owners who claim them.



   
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(@anonymous)
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I guess this means they will be breaking into safes... nothing in them is safe, wow this is outrageous. Are they not doing their job keeping everyone out... besides themselves. Is it not just as dangerous for the RCMP?



   
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(@aaronbouge)
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Apparantly it is the "Alberta pandemic response plan" that is allowing them to do this. I haven't yet been able to find a full copy of the actual plan, but my source had this copy and pasted from it supposedly. (Still waiting on a response with a link)

"During a declaration of state of public health emergency the PHA provides the following additional powers:

-Section 52.6 provides authority for AHS or a Minister, depending on how the state of public health emergency has been declared, to:
o Acquire or use any real or personal property;
o Authorize or require any qualified person to render aid of a type the person is qualified to provide;
o Authorize the conscription of persons needed to meet any emergency;
o Authorize the entry into any building or on any land, without warrant, by any person; "

Can anybody here find a link to this plan?

He also says:

"from that little excerpt quoted above from Alberta's Pandemic Response plan; any food you have can be confiscated, any water you have can be confiscated, any fuel you have can be confiscated, any tools you have can be confiscated.

If you think you are prepared for an emergency; know that anything that you have acquired to survive can be confiscated.

Talk to you elected representatives if you think this is wrong."

Again dont know how true this is so if anyone can verify it would be appreciated. Also I am wondering if there are any plans set here in B.C. that would give similar/same additional powers?



   
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(@gmurphy)
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this is such B.S!!!.... but im not surprised. government bodies make up these rules for a reason. To give them this kind of control, im going to bet that whenever these rules where created the public was not informed about their existance. makes it hard to have any respect for the "powers that be" doesn't it?? im just sayin........



   
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(@lgsbrooks)
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I wondered about the Katrina effect of this from the start & storms that took out so much in our province...(I am surprised the Fringe forum hasn't mentioned "the powers that be" bringing all this on in the first place with weather modification, all part of the plan to crater the economy & control the public etc....I believe that is the case) yet I thought it would do much more damage such as stop food transportation though that has not been the case, or take out all crops to enhance the food shortages but that did not seem to happen either. I remember reading a post about the military/police serving the people of High River by standing guard and ensuring (while everyone was forced to evacuate) everyone's home/belongings would be safe as their being there made looting impossible.....except by them of course...which is apparently legal and perfectly alright..just like the executive orders Pres. Oblahblah signed stating that even in times of peace everything in the country, everything you own, even you is his and he can use it as he sees fit and put the people into labour camps or any type of work he needs them to do...wake up...this is all part of the plan...Canada is in on it, Harper/Redford sold us out to Buiderberg Group when they attended the meetings and really upset everyone who was aware of it, Alberta is (was) the economic hub of Canada & Saskatchewan is up and running with oil/gas now so they will need to be taken out also..., the police in that article said (more or less) that because the guns were "left" in the homes they needed to be taken, catalogued and held by them for safety reasons (though there should not be any as no one else but them are allowed in town in the first place, so no one was going to go steal them) so make a note that if you get evacuated for any reason take all your guns with you...it is time to Wake Up!



   
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