another thought that is in my head......wood pallet shelters??? there are lots of pallets out there. a guy could probably get some for free .

gmurphy,

I see the Canadian Tire behind where I work has pallets free for taking away. Some days the pallets are the racks used to deliver flats of bedding plants, these wood racks have a fair amount of rough cut timber on them. I, of course, do not live in the LM. But maybe Canadian Tire stores have similar free wood bins outside the LM stores????

If you were to plan this right you could collect pallets and then build your cabin in section to be assembled onsite, wherever that would be. Maybe 4' wide by 8' long sections by whatever height you plan to use. Now, if you get enough wood cheap enough you could also build a practice cabin in the woods close to home. Maybe forego the metal roof. OR....use the pallet wood to build a treehouse that is big enough to live in. If there are any big trees left in the LM???

Just some food for your thought,

Mountainman.

Please excuse the non constructive comment, but there are more than sufficent large trees in the LM lol. Just drive through coquitlam. 😛

H

Hammer,

No excuses.lol. 🙂

I haven't been in the area in a few years. I am happy to hear they have not logged all the big trees. So, what you are saying is, there is at least one big tree for a treehouse to be built by gmurphy. I am not even sure he would consider living in a tree??????

Mountainman.

hey im totally ok with living like swiss family robinson!!!!( i may have just "dated" myself, or i was raised watching classic movies....you be the judge) Lol!!!

LOL the funny thing is that the area around Campbell River on Van Is. where they logged clean 50-60 years ago, has trees that would be considered equivalent to first/second growth! But as a rule, first growth trees aren't logged anymore.

As for swiss family robinson, I really liked that movie. Don't remember much of the TV show, but I have no issue watching the movie over and over again!

And they had the idea! I would love to live in a tree, as long as I take the midnight watch :P.

H

i was looking on the site www.survivalcache.com and there is a tone of useful information, and a few articles that give good perspective on different sinaerios. I just read the article about the "30 different uses for a bandana" anyways i just wanted to share that with the masses. enjoy

ok its timefor a rant!!! i know i know ranting is kind of pointless, but... it just feels like one of those moments, so here i go. Here in canada we have the most rediculous gun laws and regulations, the gun registry was a huge waste of money that punished honest law abiding citizens and did nothing to stop the criminals!!! And the regulations we have in this country with regards to resticted and prohibited firearms are just plain dumb! I am of the belief that a law abiding citizen should have the right to own any size, shape, or caliber of firearm they want. The AR platform looks "scary" but only shoots .223, the AK-47 and the cz585 look very similar and are chambered in the same round(7.62x39) but the AK is prohibited. I feel myself getting angry as i type this so i'll cut this short, but i just want to say that gun control is actually people control, and i hate it!!! i disagree with every regulation in canada with regards to restricted and prohibited firearms. And i dont believe that i should have these restrictions imposed on me!!!
There i said it!!!! some of you will disagree, some will tell me to take my redneck hillbilly ideas and go move to the US, thats ok we are all intitled to our opinions.
Please feel free to add your opinions to this, i just wanted to vent, and i feel better.

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so here is another thought i have had recently about a possible bug-out route. Now this may or may not work, but what about walking the powerlines?? OK, so now you think im completly crazy, but wait a sec. lets look at this for a minute, those power lines go from vancouver to kamloops if im not mistaken( somebody please correct me if im wrong) and those powerlines are like a highway through the bush. so would it not be possible for a guy or group of people to get to these powerlines and start hiking. the hiking is not going to be fantastic im sure but i would think that it would be fairly clear. like any other powerlines around the province they are keep cleear of big trees etc. im no expert on this idea, but i think that this option just might work should there ever be a need. Now im not really sure were a person could get information on this kind of thing, id be willing to bet that if you went to bc hydro and started asking questions they might get a little defensive, but there must be somewhere on the net that one can look up this info.( maybe)

Now what about using the pipeline as a route out of town?? if im not mistaken doesn't the pipeline come out of the mountain in the hope area?? im thinking about those pipes that are red and white that go across the fraser river( please correct me if im wrong) what was the name of the pipeline company that maintained the pipeline... transmountain i think??? they have since been renamed. But would this be a good option?? i mean the pipeline hasthose markers in the ground every 100 meters or so( the orange ones that are about two feet tall) and every so often the pipeline comes out of the ground( a joint or something, like a maintence point)

Anyways, just some of my thoughts....

on the bc hydro website check out "transmission system" and then click on "provincal transmission system" these maps might be of some use.

Google Maps should give you a decent layout of the powerlines. Or go to Nav Canada and purchase something called a VNC - VFR Navigational Chart. Power lines are used as landmarks for emergency forced landings or for disorientation in the event that your navigation instruments are offlined. The VNC is somewhat of a topographical chart, so it would be fairly easy to find a passable route, at least as far as terrain elevations are concerned.

As for pipelines, I have some serious doubts as to the viability of that route. Most of the pipelines in my area aren't marked well, nor are they very visible where they are marked. Something to consider is Forestry roads. Unless they've been "reclaimed", they're normally very passable, even in vehicles. There's a pretty vast network of forestry roads in the province, and even the "reclaimed" roads are fairly easy to traverse if you're nimble.

Just my two bits.

H

thanks for the input hammer, i've been trying to come up with as many alternate routes out of the lower mainland as possible that are not paved!!!! to this point ive got a couple and trying to verify more. those backroad mapbooks are great, lots of info and very detailed.But... those books are not cheap( roughly $20 a piece) there is alot of concrete and pavemwnt between my house and the nearst passible green space( the fraser valley) but im working on it.

I know a big section of the pipeline that you might not want to travel. Leads from Langley airport, cuts right through the military base in aldergrove and leads right to abbotsford airport. Goes well beyond that out towards Hope I think but these are three areas I personally will avoid.

yah good point Aaron, stay away from that section of the pipeline, i was thinking more in terms of following the pipeline through the bush up over the mountains, the whole idea was just a brain storm, not completly sure if i'd use it, but the thought is in the back of my head. I guess the senario i was thinking in my head was if a person was on the louheed hwy going the "back way into hope" and the road wasn't passable, you might be able to follow the pipeline from where it comes out of the mountain and crosses the fraser river. maybe not the "first choice" of bush travel, but again im just thinking out loud,brain storming ideas. I like the input though, keep it comin!!!

I know what you mean Ive been putting a lot of thought into this as well. Its good to have a couople alternate routes cuz you dont know whats gonna happen. I was considering the pipeline as well. But the more I look at it the more I realize how few ways there are to get out of the fraser valley.

so are there any field and stream readers out there?? im going to guess there's at least a few. I was in costco the other day and came across a nice find. Field and Stream-The Total Outdoorsman Manual. The book is broken down into four chapters, camping, hunting,fishing and suvival. it is full of lots of tips and advice and most topics discussed have illustrations to help understand the ideas being expressed. This book cost me $15( regular $27.50)and has already proven to be valueable resource. I wasn't in tthe door 5mins and my wife grabbed the book and begain to go through it, and guess what she found?? tip #27 how to make your own waterproof matches!!!! very simple, dip head of match into nail polish, let it dry, once dried, hold match by head and dip rest of match into polish, let dry and..... bingo!!!
anyways folks this book has lots of good info for just about everyone from the experienced hunter to the novice outdoorsman, check it out if you get the chance. as i write this im having a thought.... how about every couple of days i post a tip from this book on her for all to read??? my thoughts on many different things....