Great post crown! I think however that if you can help someone in need you should (first-aid, assist them to a safe place). Getting out of the area is fine if there's a danger, but helping our fellow man should be first on the list.

You are totally correct when you mention that terrorists often have two attacks planned. The first to cause casualties and a second to target aid workers. Also keep in-mind that although people are hurt, it's a crime scene. Don't remove anything and if you witnessed the incident, give your name to the police. It's remarkable how sometimes the little things that are observed, are not so little to an investigation.

Follow on attacks are usually the province of more able, experienced and larger terrorist organizations, not generally lone wolf nut job attacks . You see such, "double tap" terrorist attacks commonly throughout the Mideast, Pakistan especially where drone attacks are then followed on against medics,security,first responders or family members and such that come assist the survivors or put out fires. Hellfire missiles are great for that, no risk to the terrorist that way.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/william-boardman/78922/first-bomb-the-wedding-then-bomb-the-rescue-workers

Follow on attacks are usually the province of more able, experienced and larger terrorist organizations, not generally lone wolf nut job attacks . You see such, "double tap" terrorist attacks commonly throughout the Mideast, Pakistan especially where drone attacks are then followed on against medics,security,first responders or family members and such that come assist the survivors or put out fires. Hellfire missiles are great for that, no risk to the terrorist that way.

I read about that happening in - IIRC - Africa. The terrorists set off a grenade outside a large office building to draw attention, and after people came to the windows to see what was going on they set off a large truck bomb. Many people were blinded by flying glass.

It also happened outside an abortion clinic in the US a few years ago. I think the terrorist called himself Atomic Dog, or something like that. He planted two bombs, one to attack the clinic, the second on a time delay to hit the first responders.

As mentioned, situational awareness is key with these attacks and life in general.
Another tip is to dart into the doorway in front or the one behind you that you automatically remeber from being aware of surroundings.
Keep ear buds out of your ears!
If a blast, get away from windows in the event of the followup blast mentioned below.

I have a hunch this was a terrorist attack and not some loon with a hate on for women. No mention of his religion, siblings...... some tactical looking types going into house today....

Safe travels

Nothing new on Toronto attack. seems to have peacefully gone dead. Never heard anything about his religion, siblings..... zip nada nothing. Boy went to seneca college and a few useless tidbits of info. They focused a little bit on incel trial ballon.

Guess there is nothing to see folks, just move along now and eat your pablum. We will be turning into sweden, germany and france in a decade. Sad

"Never heard anything about his religion, siblings..... zip nada nothing"

Clarence not everyone is delusional or has siblings, And even if they have both I am not aware that biographies are provided of criminals.

"We will be turning into sweden, germany and france in a decade".

You mean we will have good government, trains that run on time and a greater wine selection?...I should hope so, especially more wine please!

"We will be turning into sweden, germany and france in a decade".

'You mean we will have good government, trains that run on time and a greater wine selection?'

Good government - Socialist governments and the word "good" don't belong in the same sentence together. And considering how much socialist governments tax their citizens, you'll have to count on your government to take care of your prepping needs.

Trains that run on time - Oh, are the trains running again in France? Last I heard the were on strike. Hitler got the German trains running on time, but you know where they were going, right? I don't know if I'd want that level of efficiency.

A greater wine selection - You could have that now, if only our provincial governments - at least the socialist one I am familiar with - would stop their protectionist practices (hey, they gotta protect their taxation, eh!).

"Never heard anything about his religion, siblings..... zip nada nothing"

Clarence not everyone is delusional or has siblings, And even if they have both I am not aware that biographies are provided of criminals.

"We will be turning into sweden, germany and france in a decade".

You mean we will have good government, trains that run on time and a greater wine selection?...I should hope so, especially more wine please!

Never said everyone is delusional.. its the absence of info that leads one to believe, there is something going on. As a prepper, we need to listen to what is and is not being said. That will be important to ones survival. Europe does not have good government. Good wine i agree with, good food and some classic art. Keep the rest.

So getting back to prepping. Listen to what is said and not said, observe and analyze. Try and understand how it affects ones choices. Thirty years ago, you didnt worry about vehicle attacks, jihad nutbars.... today we do. We also have failing infrastructure, cyber attacks etc.
If banks closed on a Friday morning due to rumours of cyber “issue”, would you believe what gov is telling you ( or the typical silence) or would you be inclined to ramp up your plan? That was the intent of my post.

Trying some wine from Portugal and its pretty decent table fare.

"Never heard anything about his religion, siblings..... zip nada nothing"

Clarence not everyone is delusional or has siblings, And even if they have both I am not aware that biographies are provided of criminals.

"We will be turning into sweden, germany and france in a decade".

You mean we will have good government, trains that run on time and a greater wine selection?...I should hope so, especially more wine please!

Never said everyone is delusional.. its the absence of info that leads one to believe, there is something going on. As a prepper, we need to listen to what is and is not being said. That will be important to ones survival. Europe does not have good government. Good wine i agree with, good food and some classic art. Keep the rest.

So getting back to prepping. Listen to what is said and not said, observe and analyze. Try and understand how it affects ones choices. Thirty years ago, you didnt worry about vehicle attacks, jihad nutbars.... today we do. We also have failing infrastructure, cyber attacks etc.
If banks closed on a Friday morning due to rumours of cyber “issue”, would you believe what gov is telling you ( or the typical silence) or would you be inclined to ramp up your plan? That was the intent of my post.

Trying some wine from Portugal and its pretty decent table fare.

politics aside..im not sure what your getting at. Your saying pay attention to what's not being said..well...what is it we should be paying attention to?

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"We will be turning into sweden, germany and france in a decade".

You mean we will have good government, trains that run on time and a greater wine selection?...I should hope so, especially more wine please!

As a prepper, we need to listen to what is and is not being said. That will be important to ones survival.
Trying some wine from Portugal and its pretty decent table fare.

politics aside..im not sure what your getting at. Your saying pay attention to what's not being said..well...what is it we should be paying attention to?

Basedon experience interviewing folks, conducting threat risk assessments and other security type work, one listens to the responce to a question or the absence of one or other form of deflection. Doesnt mean there is a lie in what they said, just that other items may be left out. A non or blathering mumbo jumbo answer tells me to hone in on various points. Media who are almost always uselesshand puppets of the state are useleess. They ask low ball questions and let the talking head skate.

So for something as serious as this, with a person who fits many aspects of the profile of a terrorist and one asks and receives no serious questions, you know there is much more to the story. Was he ISIL inspired or some fruitcake.

So we need to listen to what is or isnt said. Try and think like a detective, scientist, engineer, farmer or a truck driver. Does the story add up, whats missing... they say the tulips will be up tomorrow but theres two feet of snow on the ground. Nice looking and very serious looking person yammering away but hes lying or stupid

As a prepper, we need to try ang guess when its time to execute a plan, so if theres “ incidents” happening a lot in a city, you maybwish to cancel that country concert downtown.

No need to panic, just gather intel and decide on whether you think they are full of manure or they are legit. Not easy but unless your in the know, you have to alternaive but to guess

So you think he's inspired by ISIS?

All the details should come out in the court proceedings I'd think. or a freedom of information request at some point.

I try not to jump to conclusions without some evidence though. lack of evidence on a hunch doesn't necessarily mean there is more to the story. If you know something, please do tell

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Basedon experience interviewing folks, conducting threat risk assessments and other security type work, one listens to the responce to a question or the absence of one or other form of deflection. Doesnt mean there is a lie in what they said, just that other items may be left out. A non or blathering mumbo jumbo answer tells me to hone in on various points. Media who are almost always uselesshand puppets of the state are useleess. They ask low ball questions and let the talking head skate.

So for something as serious as this, with a person who fits many aspects of the profile of a terrorist and one asks and receives no serious questions, you know there is much more to the story. Was he ISIL inspired or some fruitcake.

So we need to listen to what is or isnt said. Try and think like a detective, scientist, engineer, farmer or a truck driver. Does the story add up, whats missing... they say the tulips will be up tomorrow but theres two feet of snow on the ground. Nice looking and very serious looking person yammering away but hes lying or stupid

As a prepper, we need to try ang guess when its time to execute a plan, so if theres “ incidents” happening a lot in a city, you maybwish to cancel that country concert downtown.

No need to panic, just gather intel and decide on whether you think they are full of manure or they are legit. Not easy but unless your in the know, you have to alternaive but to guess

I cant believe I am the one having to explain procedure (cause I am the least qualified) to you, but I will try my best......I am going to speculate here but I am reasonablly sure investigations are still on going, I bet people right back to his kindergarden teacher are being interviewed, All this information thats being collected is likely for presenting to the crown prosecuter, not likely for imediate release to you or me if we phone up and ask.( well not me but if they have shared info with you, then spit it out)
At the point where the trial is going forward then the data thats collected is released to the defense attorney or team. Its after this point there is often a greater release of information to the puplic. Now if there is evidence of terrorism I expect that will come out at trial, and isnt that where it should be presented? Jumping to conclusions is always fun but not often correct. I think you have a script your trying to fit for motives of your own.If I am wrong then please share facts if you have any...I like facts..I will consider all..

I have to say I hate the attention that this gives to nut jobs, endless speculation and attention I think encourages other nuts, not just this but we just last year seen the Nevada shooter try and out do other mass shooter killers. I would be just as happy if they leave their names off the news so they don't get the attention they desire...I know that's not practical but I do think this feeds the ambitions of some.

As far as terrorism is concerned, who knows? I think it unlikely. There're more than enough crazies in Toronto that daily try to hurt themselves or someone else. Just another day in the big city... The results of this case certainly were tragic, but there're many such cases that are avoided that the public never hear about. Few (if any) are terrorism related.

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I cant believe I am the one having to explain procedure (cause I am the least qualified) to you, but I will try my best......I am going to speculate here but I am reasonablly sure investigations are still on going, ....I have to say I hate the attention that this gives to nut jobs, endless speculation and attention I think encourages other nuts, not just this but we just last year seen the Nevada shooter try and out do other mass shooter killers. I would be just as happy if they leave their names off the news so they don't get the attention they desire...I know that's not practical but I do think this feeds the ambitions of some.

I too like facts. LOVE them. LOVE information. Intel, info or whatever one calls it, is in my professional lifeline as well as a personal interest. I just wish we had more of it. Lots of stuff I know will never get on the news or when I read something I chuckle because I know otherwise!!! Can never say, but I do know it’s BS what is printed!

I fully understand all the background investigative requirements. Been there, done that and have a few Tshirts as well!.

However, have you ever noticed and I am sure you have, that when the goverment has something that suits their agenda, they release the details. Case in point is buddy. They leak out his incel post but not his religion?? Young Mid East looking guy using a rental vehicle like all the other terrorists and called for by ISIL and nothing on that? Weird. You hear of a Christian shooter and it’s massive news, alt right.... usually they are the ones that are just fruitcakes, but gov and media jump on it for all manner of reasons. A Muslim immigrant does the same and it’s about how we failed to integrate them....

Police/ gov do not want any issues to surface that are an embarrassment. You have a shooting, theft... occur and you may get a news flash about a person of approximately 5-9 wearing a large baseball cap and baggy jeans and oversized running shoes fleeing the scene. Why not give skin colour to rule out 20,30,50% of people who may have been in that area and help people focus on what they noticed that day? Simple, the guy was black and that falls under PC madness. So instead of allowing the public to help or perhaps even for their own safety, the gov says nothing. Bugger all to do with maintaining an investigation. Cops know he is black and are not going to go looking for the tall skinny white dude and nor will it taint a court case.

So, no agenda. I was always a curious individual and one who will sit down with a black, Jew, Protestant, catholic, pole, Muslim.......straight, gay,.... I don’t care. I do however care about my safety and the safety of the nation. Even though I consider myself pretty neutral, I have been mentored by pros who drilled it into my head that you take your sources, warts and all. I have interviewed good guys and bad guys. even those in uniform, I will question for the truth and never take their statements at face value.

So, give the people simple information that would be obtainable under other circumstances and don’t play PC cultural games with the public. If buddy just wanted to kill women, he was smart enough to go mow down a pile of girls at some private college area or outside some lesbian nightclub etc. Not saying he didn’t have a hate on for “western value” women ( as many muslims do) but by their not mentioning anything about religion and background on travel, his families travel etc, it makes me VERY suspicious. Also noticed a clip of tactical types going into the house. Most computer geeks I know in police don’t look look like those birds did and they weren’t your run of the mill detectives either.

Nothing new from the press either, so guessing they have been told nothing to see here, move along. Less coverage then the kids killed in a hockey bus accident. Below is a prime example of governments not wishing to reveal details and it occurs all the time. Your lovely governments in Europe are in serious trouble with the folks that are letting in and refuse to acknowledge it. Why? Not for investigation reasons,... nope just doesn’t fit with their agenda and to bad so sad for putt citizen and their daughters trying to go out and live in areas they were safe before the PC madness took over. Again, frig all to do with proper investigation or prosecution requirements but just PC, B.S.! So as a prepper, do you want to know who is behind most crimes, what types they are, where they are occurring etc. It’s important for my plans and likely others as well. No different then know the route to the cabin shouldn’t mean crossing a deep river without a boat!. If you were trying to flee the city and option one route is blocked, and you have two other possible routes, which one would you wish to take? The one going through the seniors community or the one with large population of low income apartments or refuges? If the gov doesn’t reveal crime stats etc, how is a smart person to make a decision ? Divining rod, wegie board, gossip at local coffee shop? No, it’s by knowing who is doing what in various areas. This isn’t even touching on a taxpayers right to know what is happening, I am only using concepts any smart prepper would want to use in their bug in or out plans.

PC madness results in chaos, dictatorships etc and I want nothing but the truth so I can figure out what my immediate and longer term options are. Just give me the truth now and not in some freedom of information request twenty years later and that’s all redacted!

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/05/07/sweden-schoolgirl-gang-raped-police-dont-want-describe-attackers/