….We now have roughly a years worth of meds. Will need to stretch it out by skipping some doses but we hope to be good. That said, I doubt it will be doable because of the stress of survival and the demand it will place upon my body. Higher stress, higher consumption of life giving meds. I am in the process of re-evaluating my supply.
Clarence, I've been wondering about this. As I understand it, the maximum prescription that can be filled in Canada legally is a 3 month supply. I suppose if you went to two different physicians for the same medication, you could compile 6 months worth at a time. With medications being included in the electronic patient record this might become more difficult than it once was. Otherwise, I suspect that you would have to resort to the black market. I imagine that it also depends on the particular medication, as many quickly lose their potency.
Your correct on all except the two doctor angle. You need meds when you travel right? Also, if you do not need full prescription / calculated dosage, it allows you to gradually build up a reserve. I hate taking drugs so cut down as much as I can. I am maybe fortunate and others need entire dose.
I would encourage folks to ask their doctors for larger prescription due to being out of the country for six months plus months. Worth a crack and can give one a nice safety buffer in their preps.
People do need to be concerned about expiry dates. Tetracycline is apparently very unforgiving. Others are ???
In my case, my meds are government regulated on how you can buy them as I am told "they have street value". I couldn't even refill a prescription 5 days early. 🙁
That is most unfortunate, per another post, I would try getting more meds due to upcoming travel. Other option is buy in the US and to heck with gov telling you what one can do. Not like your a drug dealer. This is your life and yours alone.
Best of luck
Some drugs aren't time tolerant. If you leave the country for 6 months, they can give you a prescription for 3 months with a letter from your physician. You can take this to a local physician for renewal (subject to the amount restricted by law).
I think that this law makes sense. Seldom does one need a stockpile. Lack of compliance to medications kills thousands every year. Prescription drugs are sought after on the black market. It's reasonable for the government to place some control on these drugs. The electronic patient record is one step in controlling the amount of drugs prescribed.
Skipping doses is a dangerous practice, something that I wouldn't recommend. Drugs like Tetracycline and other antibiotics are less of a danger, as if these are taken too long they cease to perform their function. That's why there is a constant search for new antibiotics that have stopped working because of prolonged use or increasing resistances of bacterial disease.
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
Some drugs aren't time tolerant. If you leave the country for 6 months, they can give you a prescription for 3 months with a letter from your physician. You can take this to a local physician for renewal (subject to the amount restricted by law).
I think that this law makes sense. Seldom does one need a stockpile. Lack of compliance to medications kills thousands every year. Prescription drugs are sought after on the black market. It's reasonable for the government to place some control on these drugs. The electronic patient record is one step in controlling the amount of drugs prescribed.
Skipping doses is a dangerous practice, something that I wouldn't recommend. Drugs like Tetracycline and other antibiotics are less of a danger, as if these are taken too long they cease to perform their function. That's why there is a constant search for new antibiotics that have stopped working because of prolonged use or increasing resistances of bacterial disease.
Guess it boils down to what I want in available meds during a prolonged emergency versus what the gov says I should have. So long as it’s my life at stake, not selling opioids and they are still good for my health, I say screw what gov says and let me do what I need to do for my health. Same approach that I think we all share about being independent in food, energy etc. going to go out on a limb here ( lol) and guess that our dear leaders and higher ups will have access to whatever they want. So their telling me what’s ok / 3 months is all I should be allowed to have /( actually LIVE!) isn’t holding water with me. They can go pound sand.
Guess it boils down to what I want in available meds during a prolonged emergency versus what the gov says I should have. So long as it’s my life at stake, not selling opioids and they are still good for my health, I say screw what gov says and let me do what I need to do for my health. Same approach that I think we all share about being independent in food, energy etc. going to go out on a limb here ( lol) and guess that our dear leaders and higher ups will have access to whatever they want. So their telling me what’s ok / 3 months is all I should be allowed to have /( actually LIVE!) isn’t holding water with me. They can go pound sand.
I cant dissagree with that. Do what you have to do. I have built up a supply just by skipping now and then. Not my first choice, not what I recommend , but what I felt was nessasary to have a little more control over the supply.
I think this is critically important, I dont think a lot of people are aware of just how dependant Canada has become on forgien manfacture of the most basic pharmaceuticals.
Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.
...I say screw what gov says ..They can go pound sand.
If this is the common belief among preppers, the public is warranted in its opinion of us. Guns, drugs, the law doesn't matter, I'm above the law. The only thing that's important is myself and what I think I need.
That said, I understand the need to be prepared. There should be a safe way of doing this.
1. Have a reasonable understanding of the shelf life of the drug.
2. Own a CPM (listing of all drugs and their interactions).
3. Never skip taking medication.
4. Understand any limitations of the drug (how long it can be effectively taken).
5. Know about the laws that surround the amount of legal possession.
Some years back, I had a similar conversation about possessing fully automatic weapons. The words screw what the government wants were mentioned. If you do the crime, be prepared to do the time... Possession of large quantities of prescription drugs isn't anything to joke about.:-)
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
...I say screw what gov says ..They can go pound sand.
If this is the common belief among preppers, the public is warranted in its opinion of us. Guns, drugs, the law doesn't matter, I'm above the law. The only thing that's important is myself and what I think I need.
That said, I understand the need to be prepared. There should be a safe way of doing this.
1. Have a reasonable understanding of the shelf life of the drug.
2. Own a CPM (listing of all drugs and their interactions).
3. Never skip taking medication.
4. Understand any limitations of the drug (how long it can be effectively taken).
5. Know about the laws that surround the amount of legal possession.Some years back, I had a similar conversation about possessing fully automatic weapons. The words screw what the government wants were mentioned. If you do the crime, be prepared to do the time... Possession of large quantities of prescription drugs isn't anything to joke about.:-)
Your missing the point my learned and experienced friend
You have a morale and legal right to take care of yourself.
If you are not breaking laws, then it is a simple matter of living a peaceful life.
If others are disorganized and Wish to suffer for their absence of planning then that’s on them and not my problem.
Throughout history, people become jealous of those who are better situated in life then they are. Mobs have and will make them out as the cause of their suffering and will try and punish you. If not for any other reason then to take them down to their level.
Your right about the “concept” of not skipping meds but I can stretch out some of mine. Better to be a little short of breath and function at 50% and live a year and function then dead at six months. Just a funny way of looking at things I guess.
No one is talking bazookas and tanks. While it would not bother me if you owned a full auto, I don’t own one, nor can be bothered with all the illegal drama of obtaining one if suddenly I desired to break the law. Which I don’t! I work with top people in LEA and know all about laws and severe evil, protect our nations critical soft and hard assists etc. As a result of this, I see how things can work or fail. People in the know are in the know. If your in A Priveldged group your lucky and you know what I refer too. If your A civilian who is kept in the dark and fed manure ( no offence to good hard working folks who fall into that category of not being in the loop) then your in the dark, will be treated at sheep and on the bottom of the food chain. Go to the diefenbunker ( ottawa area decommissioned nuclear bunker ). If one listens to the story, even a civilian will soon grasp how your ass is grass while theirs is secure. Kinda fair for continuity of gov and I get it, BUT, you quickly realize that the public was kept in the dark about their lives being at risk and how tucking under a school desk will add a nano second to your life! Those films old people, don’t worry, just a few precautions.. hip hip old boy, that’s the spirit!
Preppers can have the reputation of rebels or radicals and I believe it’s a false one. I would say the majority of preppers are honest law abiding citizens who wish to take care of themselves and others. I can see gov officials not liking them because by their very valid distrust of official stories and their practices to compensate for private and public sector failures they raise very real issues about how poor our infrastructure and related vulnerabilities are.
Take your background a bit. Operational security was essential for your life and that of others. Same here. There are also secrets kept so as to not embarrass gov...
Would the gov like the public to know all about EMP vulnerabilities, water or air quality etc etc etc. Of course they don’t. It raises questions and embarrasses people. Preppers talk about frail this or that and that shines light on things they want to stay in the dark.
Nope. I certainly do not trust the gov or corporations to tell me the truth nor take care of me. Also do not wish to abide by any self serving guidelines they publish to make you believe that’s all you need. Who on this page, only has their reccom need three days of preps? Of course not. Imagine if they said, it should be a minimum of a month. What reaction to recommendation would the public have? They would scream WHY. Then gov would have to say, well, you see......
Prepping or wishing to breath for a year does not make one a radical or conspiracy nut job. I can go toe to toe with the best and in the confines of a a SKIF or other secure location can discuss all manner of things and in a spirit of wishing to learn the truth by exploring gaps I love the opportunities provided to me to do just that/ find the gaps so they are better understood and find some solutions.
Nope I like life, liberty and freedom. Do not wish to break sound laws. ( I wonder how many police officers have received speeding tickets). A little breaking of the laws allowed out of professional courtesy perhaps). I get it and may have from time to time been blessed with allowances as well. I just recognize it and feel more should be cut the same slack for dumb or completely arbitrary laws.
So respect laws and stay alive. If life is in jeopardy and you need to cross a double line and speed to avoid some dirtbag or you wish to go beyond some arbitrary law on stockpile of meds, then do what you feel is right. Not telling anyone to be some wild criminal but to do what you think is morally correct and others in positions of authority wouldn’t hesitate to do.
Your missing the point my learned and experienced friend
You have a morale and legal right to take care of yourself.
If you are not breaking laws, then it is a simple matter of living a peaceful life...
Perhaps it is you that are missing my point Clarence. The law is what it is. Everyone has a choice to conform with it or not. There are laws governing the possession of prescription drugs, We can obey them or not. There are laws governing the moral and legal right to take care of myself." I think that we can safely predict what the Court ruling will be...:-)
I'm not a physician or a pharmacist. I do know however that people take all sorts of medication (including opiates). Other types of medication lose their affect over time. Others cease to work as prescribed. There's more often than not a reason for the laws being what they are. Given that prescription drugs are becoming a huge problem in society and that the black market demand is huge, enforcement of this area may well increase.
To quote the New York Times article by Jane E. Brody, April 17, 2017: "There is an out-of-control epidemic in the United States that costs more and affects more people than any disease Americans currently worry about. It’s called nonadherence to prescribed medications, and it is — potentially, at least — 100 percent preventable by the very individuals it afflicts.
The numbers are staggering. 'Studies have consistently shown that 20 percent to 30 percent of medication prescriptions are never filled, and that approximately 50 percent of medications for chronic disease are not taken as prescribed, according to a possession of fully automatic weapons and explosives. We can choose to obey them or not. What each of us decide to do is a personal choice and we have to accept the consequences of our decision. We cannot however think that if we break the law, we are somehow justified because 'I'm preparing for Armageddon and I have a review in Annals of Internal Medicine. People who do take prescription medications — whether it’s for a simple infection or a life-threatening condition — typically take only about half the prescribed doses.
This lack of adherence, the Annals authors wrote, is estimated to cause approximately 125,000 deaths and at least 10 percent of hospitalizations, and to cost the American health care system between $100 billion and $289 billion a year."
When people stop taking meds, they can and do die. For me, the last thing that I'd want to suggest on a public website is to accumulate prescription drugs by skipping doses. Similarly, people should be aware of the laws affecting drug possession and make-up their own minds what they wish to do. Just saying...
Regarding speeding tickets, you're right the Badge gives you some privileges. It unfortunately has also given me the benefits of being shot at on multiple occasions, attacked with: an axe, numerous knives and a 2X4. Numerous punches, kicks, cuts and bruises, one surgery as a result of on-duty injury, as well as minor burns from rescuing a trapped driver from a burning car. I've even been beaten by Police and charged when working undercover. I've had myself and my family receive death threats and my wife and kids have wondered many times if Daddy was coming home... Like you mentioned, fellow officers haven't given me tickets for traffic offences. These have been mainly at times when I've worked 20 hours and haven't been watching my speed as much as I should have...
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
Your missing the point my learned and experienced friend
You have a morale and legal right to take care of yourself.
If you are not breaking laws, then it is a simple matter of living a peaceful life...Perhaps it is you that are missing my point Clarence. The law is what it is. Everyone has a choice to conform with it or not. There are laws governing the possession of prescription drugs, We can obey them or not. There are laws governing the moral and legal right to take care of myself." I think that we can safely predict what the Court ruling will be...:-)
I'm not a physician or a pharmacist. I do know however that people take all sorts of medication (including opiates). Other types of medication lose their affect over time. Others cease to work as prescribed. There's more often than not a reason for the laws being what they are. Given that prescription drugs are becoming a huge problem in society and that the black market demand is huge, enforcement of this area may well increase.
To quote the New York Times article by Jane E. Brody, April 17, 2017: "There is an out-of-control epidemic in the United States that costs more and affects more people than any disease Americans currently worry about. It’s called nonadherence to prescribed medications, and it is — potentially, at least — 100 percent preventable by the very individuals it afflicts.
The numbers are staggering. 'Studies have consistently shown that 20 percent to 30 percent of medication prescriptions are never filled, and that approximately 50 percent of medications for chronic disease are not taken as prescribed, according to a possession of fully automatic weapons and explosives. We can choose to obey them or not. What each of us decide to do is a personal choice and we have to accept the consequences of our decision. We cannot however think that if we break the law, we are somehow justified because 'I'm preparing for Armageddon and I have a review in Annals of Internal Medicine. People who do take prescription medications — whether it’s for a simple infection or a life-threatening condition — typically take only about half the prescribed doses.
This lack of adherence, the Annals authors wrote, is estimated to cause approximately 125,000 deaths and at least 10 percent of hospitalizations, and to cost the American health care system between $100 billion and $289 billion a year."
When people stop taking meds, they can and do die. For me, the last thing that I'd want to suggest on a public website is to accumulate prescription drugs by skipping doses. Similarly, people should be aware of the laws affecting drug possession and make-up their own minds what they wish to do. Just saying...
Regarding speeding tickets, you're right the Badge gives you some privileges. It unfortunately has also given me the benefits of being shot at on multiple occasions, attacked with: an axe, numerous knives and a 2X4. Numerous punches, kicks, cuts and bruises, one surgery as a result of on-duty injury, as well as minor burns from rescuing a trapped driver from a burning car. I've even been beaten by Police and charged when working undercover. I've had myself and my family receive death threats and my wife and kids have wondered many times if Daddy was coming home... Like you mentioned, fellow officers haven't given me tickets for traffic offences. These have been mainly at times when I've worked 20 hours and haven't been watching my speed as much as I should have...
Opiates are a problem and if a preppier does need or wish to have a stash for obvious good purposes they would probably want to store it very safely so it’s not misconstrued for distribution.
You mistook my refence to speeding tickets. It’s extended as a professional courtesy and I can’t go further with discussion on courtesies but I know of what you speak
Now back to my theme of those in power and different laws and privileges and humour to help demonstrate it, I humbly submit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kYC47DYLq2I
Guess it boils down to what I want in available meds during a prolonged emergency versus what the gov says I should have. So long as it’s my life at stake, not selling opioids and they are still good for my health, I say screw what gov says and let me do what I need to do for my health. Same approach that I think we all share about being independent in food, energy etc. going to go out on a limb here ( lol) and guess that our dear leaders and higher ups will have access to whatever they want. So their telling me what’s ok / 3 months is all I should be allowed to have /( actually LIVE!) isn’t holding water with me. They can go pound sand.
I cant dissagree with that. Do what you have to do. I have built up a supply just by skipping now and then. Not my first choice, not what I recommend , but what I felt was nessasary to have a little more control over the supply.
I think this is critically important, I dont think a lot of people are aware of just how dependant Canada has become on forgien manfacture of the most basic pharmaceuticals.
The other thing that I know for a fact is ( seen the evidence) the counterfeit drug and other knock off markets.
Everyone needs to be aware of too good a deal etc. The pills often. Look better then the legit ones.
So two things come to mind for those wishing to consider stocking up.
1. If you do stock up you do two things, by attempting to have as long a supply as you can afford and to store safely. you also avoid the need to buy drugs in a long term disaster and the increased likelihood of purchasing counterfeit drugs with little to no effect or worse yet, outright poison. You also don’t waste money or other barter goods obtaining junk.
2. I have never gone the route of fish antibiotics but for those who may consider it, I would do your best to try and buy from well know sources.
Insert caviete here about not being a doctor etc
Survival is your breathing or your not.
Wow I had no idea the way this thread would go. Since I ran out of meds (due more to lack of funds) I figured out a way to get off something that is suppose to have been for a live time. It was an SSRI (google it). There are many med conflicts with this type of med. In the long run, it could kill me for not taking it. However, I am lucky enough that it is not for something like diabetes, HIV, heart meds or anything that my life would depend on to make it more then 48 hours.
What I meant when I posted that "I forgot about the meds" was the fact I forgot to mention them. For a lot of medical things, I have herbals and text books. I have studied medicine (I wanted to be a doctor) since about the age of 10. I regularly practice trying to figure out health issues with the various people I know to keep my skills up.
You can not prepare for something medical that you have no clue about. Having "fish meds" won't do you a darn bit of good if you have no idea what is wrong in the first place.
For example: a rash
- it could be a bug bite
- it could be you touched something such as nettles
- it could be from a fever
- it could be scabies, not the same as a bug bite
- it could be from diabetes
- it could be fungal, bacterial, parasitic, or viral
- it could be....you get the idea
If you know you need a med now, see if there is a way to treat the issue herbally with a health care provider. Maybe exercise is the answer. The skill of knowing what it is, how it "lives", I think is more important then what you have stocked up on meds except for major health issues (see above). Often a heated onion slice with some garlic paste is as effective as the drugs you can get in a store. My maxillofacial surgeon used ground pickled cloves when I had my lower jaw reshaped. My family doctor told me to use a baking soda paste for an infected wound in my leg.
Going without a med or reducing the dose to stock up is an abuse of the med. It is part of the reason we now have "super bugs".
….We now have roughly a years worth of meds. Will need to stretch it out by skipping some doses but we hope to be good. That said, I doubt it will be doable because of the stress of survival and the demand it will place upon my body. Higher stress, higher consumption of life giving meds. I am in the process of re-evaluating my supply.
Clarence, I've been wondering about this. As I understand it, the maximum prescription that can be filled in Canada legally is a 3 month supply. I suppose if you went to two different physicians for the same medication, you could compile 6 months worth at a time. With medications being included in the electronic patient record this might become more difficult than it once was. Otherwise, I suspect that you would have to resort to the black market. I imagine that it also depends on the particular medication, as many quickly lose their potency.
Wayne,
Are you able to point to any law that supports your understanding of this. The reason I ask is I just had a long conversation with my pharmacist. He said there is no law preventing him from filling a years worth of my prescription if that's what the repeats supported. My health plan may only pay for 3 months, the rest may be out of pocket expense for me.
I do not know about where you live but I do know that my mom who takes a lot of meds can at max get three months worth of scripts and she can only fill them one month at time for some of them in alberta.. she can fill some for the full three months at a time but not all of them.
Maybe folks are on the pill packs and they for sure are filled on the shorter time frames as well
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Farmgal,
Can't speak to your Mom's situation. I'm sure many variables come into play for how prescriptions are filled. In my case the pharmacist was fine with it. It came down to how much I wanted to spend. Not illegal at all. Ontario
If coverage is threw another party. Yes 1 month max is normal. Unless you call them and plead your case. But if your paying it yourself then max most like to do is 3 months . At least that's what I have been told. Tried to get 4 months for my son's trip. Then again it might depend on type of drugs.