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(@gallowshumour)
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I know what you mean, the price on .338 Lapua Magnum has come down some over the years, but you're still talking roughly $5.40 a shot before taxes
- or upward of that - for a box of 20. I thought .308 was expensive until I looked into the .338 Magnums and .458 Winchesters.

If I were you, I'd act sooner rather than later to acquire my expensive items. That's why I made my Scout rifle purchase now. I can foresee a time in the not too distant future when a hike in the interest rate might make our dollar worth less (or worthless, with a nod to Justin). It doesn't help when at the Federal and Provincial level, most of our governments are spending like children with their parent's credit cards.



   
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(@jimbo-jones)
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I agree with the cost statement. Even when reloading costs are sneaking upward. .30 cal GMX are starting at over 1 buck per and they are an inexpensive Guilded Metal round,TTSX I think are more. I too got used to having all the "toys" and ammo when wearing cadpat. But nowadays I have to really balance some costs vs use and future usability. I agree its a SERIOUS piece of kit, but it doesn't really have a niche with me, if you're looking to simply sell it I think you may have better luck on the Gunnutz/ gun trader forums. Good luck Jimbo



   
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Wayne
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I know what you mean, the price on .338 Lapua Magnum has come down some over the years, but you're still talking roughly $5.40 a shot before taxes - or upward of that - for a box of 20. I thought .308 was expensive until I looked into the .338 Magnums and .458 Winchesters.

They are through the roof. Match is more money as well and .50 BMG is around $5 per cartridge, but match can go for twice that. It's just crazy.

...It doesn't help when at the Federal and Provincial level, most of our governments are spending like children with their parent's credit cards.

I think Justin got use to using his Dad's credit card; why change? As a drama teacher, he never had any reason to define fiscal responsibility... lol


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Wayne
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I agree with the cost statement. Even when reloading costs are sneaking upward. .30 cal GMX are starting at over 1 buck per and they are an inexpensive Guilded Metal round,TTSX I think are more. I too got used to having all the "toys" and ammo when wearing cadpat. But nowadays I have to really balance some costs vs use and future usability. I agree its a SERIOUS piece of kit, but it doesn't really have a niche with me, if you're looking to simply sell it I think you may have better luck on the Gunnutz/ gun trader forums. Good luck Jimbo

It use to be that reloading saved a bunch, but now I'm not so sure... At least you can have the load exactly the way you want to...


None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.


   
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(@gallowshumour)
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I know what you mean, the price on .338 Lapua Magnum has come down some over the years, but you're still talking roughly $5.40 a shot before taxes - or upward of that - for a box of 20. I thought .308 was expensive until I looked into the .338 Magnums and .458 Winchesters.

They are through the roof. Match is more money as well and .50 BMG is around $5 per cartridge, but match can go for twice that. It's just crazy.

...It doesn't help when at the Federal and Provincial level, most of our governments are spending like children with their parent's credit cards.

I think Justin got use to using his Dad's credit card; why change? As a drama teacher, he never had any reason to define fiscal responsibility... lol

I believe Trudeau Sr. inherited his riches from his father, who was a conservative. Everyone after that appears to be a communist spendthrift.



   
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It use to be that reloading saved a bunch, but now I'm not so sure... At least you can have the load exactly the way you want to...

if you buy bulk and I mean nothing less then 1000 of something 8 lb'ers of powder. And yes you get to custom tailor for YOUR rifle. Then you also get to produce a mouse fart round for it also. 5.5gr of titegroup 55 gr bullet in a .223 case. QUIET BUT you can watch it arc and see the swirl with it. 😎



   
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Wayne
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Now that's cool. 🙂


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The Island Retreat
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If it’s an AR-10, that’s a (restricted) range queen here. To take it into the bush it has to be non-restricted...

In an actual SHTF scenario, I think the Police would have more important priorities than wasting their time with you over the transportation of a restricted weapon (city wide looting perhaps). I don't imagine that they'd be on patrol "in the bush'" hoping to grab you. In my ase, I'd be transporting it to the range for target practice. Here is my Authorization to Transport (ATT). Why am I on foot and in the bush? The traffic is bad, so I decided to walk. Am I lost?... 🙂

Absolutely true. But in the interim, waiting for WROL, I would think you would want to practice. And 'most' ranges in Canada don't have lanes beyond 2-300 yards. So to maintain long range competency, it would be a challenge. For that money, I could by a an Non-Res .50 BMG / .338 Lapua and use it anywhere, and still be further ahead.


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If it’s an AR-10, that’s a (restricted) range queen here. To take it into the bush it has to be non-restricted...

In an actual SHTF scenario, I think the Police would have more important priorities than wasting their time with you over the transportation of a restricted weapon (city wide looting perhaps). I don't imagine that they'd be on patrol "in the bush'" hoping to grab you. In my ase, I'd be transporting it to the range for target practice. Here is my Authorization to Transport (ATT). Why am I on foot and in the bush? The traffic is bad, so I decided to walk. Am I lost?... 🙂

Absolutely true. But in the interim, waiting for WROL, I would think you would want to practice. And 'most' ranges in Canada don't have lanes beyond 2-300 yards. So to maintain long range competency, it would be a challenge. For that money, I could by a an Non-Res .50 BMG / .338 Lapua and use it anywhere, and still be further ahead.

They have a bolt action in .338 Lapua Mag that I prefer. You can take this anywhere that's safe to shoot at whatever distance you like. As previously noted, I have a 600 meter and 800 meter range relatively close by.

As far as practice is concerned, you don't need it. My 12 year old Grandson could outshoot anyone on the planet with this technology. Accuracy less than two-inches at 1000 yards. The target can even be moving at speeds of up to 20 mph. An impossible shot for any trained Sniper at that distance. Two-inch group on a target moving 20 mph at 1000 yards? Not in a thousand attempts.

This kind of accuracy with night vision for less than $9,000 U.S.? My Scope is worth half of that, but no one can shoot like that (other than my 12 year old Grandson with this weapon system). Having anyone in your household to be able to make a world-class shot, on every attempt, no practice necessary. What an advantage!


None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.


   
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(@jonathon139)
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What about Ruger Persion rifle? Thoughts ? 308 or 6.5 creedmore



   
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Wayne
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Hey Jonathan,

The Ruger Precision is a nice piece. Good optics are expensive, so it really depends on what you're wanting the rifle for.

As mentioned, I really like the .308 for precise shots less than 800 yards. I suppose it's a lot like me saying I like Chevy trucks, there's nothing the matter with other makes but once you get use to something and its proven itself to you, you tend to be partial to it. Personal preference.

There's quite a few calibers that can do the job. I think that .308/7.62 NATO is plentiful enough, so for the prepper it's a good choice.


None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.


   
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(@tazweiss)
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Since I don't think there is such a thing as the ultimate survival rifle, I have four long guns which will cover pretty much any and all of my shooting requirements.
Savage BA110 in .300 win. mag. For long range.
M14 Archangel in 7.62. For intermediate to short range.
Remington, Nylon 66 for small game.
Mossberg 88 for birds, etc.


Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.


   
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Wayne
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I owned a Nylon 66 when I was a teenager. I sold it and have regretted it ever since. 🙂


None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.


   
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(@tazweiss)
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I bought that Nylon 66 more than 40 years ago and put a Bushnell Banner on it. At 75 meters, it'll still take the cap off a water bottle, 10 out of 10 shots. It's the only gun I've held onto over the years. All others have been sold or traded off to upgrade. I'd be a fool to try upgrading a tack driver.


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(@blacksheep)
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In an actual SHTF scenario, I think the Police would have more important priorities than wasting their time with you over the transportation of a restricted weapon (city wide looting perhaps). I don't imagine that they'd be on patrol "in the bush'" hoping to grab you. In my ase, I'd be transporting it to the range for target practice. Here is my Authorization to Transport (ATT). Why am I on foot and in the bush? The traffic is bad, so I decided to walk. Am I lost?... 🙂

Absolutely true. But in the interim, waiting for WROL, I would think you would want to practice. And 'most' ranges in Canada don't have lanes beyond 2-300 yards. So to maintain long range competency, it would be a challenge. For that money, I could by a an Non-Res .50 BMG / .338 Lapua and use it anywhere, and still be further ahead.

They have a bolt action in .338 Lapua Mag that I prefer. You can take this anywhere that's safe to shoot at whatever distance you like. As previously noted, I have a 600 meter and 800 meter range relatively close by.

As far as practice is concerned, you don't need it. My 12 year old Grandson could outshoot anyone on the planet with this technology. Accuracy less than two-inches at 1000 yards. The target can even be moving at speeds of up to 20 mph. An impossible shot for any trained Sniper at that distance. Two-inch group on a target moving 20 mph at 1000 yards? Not in a thousand attempts.

This kind of accuracy with night vision for less than $9,000 U.S.? My Scope is worth half of that, but no one can shoot like that (other than my 12 year old Grandson with this weapon system). Having anyone in your household to be able to make a world-class shot, on every attempt, no practice necessary. What an advantage!

You need to practice to shoot at long range .
The biggest variable is the wind , which takes actually shooting to learn to compensate for .



   
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