Postby JustABear » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:29 am
To expand on your comment. Yes.. it will look like a 15 or 30 round magazine but you will only be able to load 5 rounds in it. IF you should somehow modify the magazine to take more than 5 rounds then you have a prohibited weapon with all the legal ramifications. I would strongly advise you NOT to do that...LOL. !!! Each firearm has a purpose.. same as any tool. In the end it isn't about amount of ammo but what you can do with it. A rifle will reach a lot further with more power than any handgun. You have to assess your needs then decide what will best meet them FOR YOU. Feel free to ask away.
From what I have heard, if the firearm is classified as restricted, modifying the magazines does not make the firearm prohibited, it just makes it illegal to use it in that firearm. Also to make a firearm prohibited is if you modified it to shoot full auto or saw off the barrel to non-legal length.
If I am wrong then please correct me.
If your going to de-pin a 5/30 round mag, please don't tell us. I am not saying it won't work but it is just illegal to do it and if you do, shhh....
M4/M16/AR15 Magazines
USGI - 5/30 rounds aluminum and sometimes coated with teflon around $25-30/mag always sold out. Pin is tack welded
Pmags - 5/30 rounds fiber reinforced polymer (I think) strong stuff and it is available. $19-25/mag. Pin is a rivet.
I like polymer mags, they are more quiet, lighter(depends), green anti-tilt follower and looks awesome.
PM me if you want to know where to get Pmags in canada or just google it.
LOL... thats why I said...IF you managed to modify it. They are welded so you can't get into them without destroying the mag.
Before buying a gun/pistol for SHTF, ask a gun shop owner what is the most available ammunition available out there. Unless you do your own reloading, and have all the powder and caps that you may need, ammo post-time may become scarce. “A gun becomes a hammer without a bullet”
"We 'Prep.' to live after a downfall, Not just to survive."
I have heard a rumor...that a sporting good store in Caroline AB..sells big mags pinned at 5 with..[" rivets"]..witch is perfectly legal; the key word there is rivet not welded.....Just a friendly reminder; having a UN-PINNED mag in your "possession" will earn you a trip before the" MAN" and goodby.." all " guns licence and such......
Just saying........
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
I have a question about ammunition. One of the firearms I am looking at (chinese military surplus sks) fires 7.62x39 rounds. Is there a more common "non-russian" equivelant round that this rifle will fire?
Also, is the 7.62x39 round only available in steel core? That seems to be the only bullet type I can find online, and most firing ranges do not allow it.
See you all after.
I have a question about ammunition. One of the firearms I am looking at (chinese military surplus sks) fires 7.62x39 rounds. Is there a more common "non-russian" equivelant round that this rifle will fire?
Also, is the 7.62x39 round only available in steel core? That seems to be the only bullet type I can find online, and most firing ranges do not allow it.
No there is not the 7.62x39 is the eastern block military grade and unique caliber all un to it's self...you can by the hunting grade 7.62x39 but it is expensive ..I do know you can use the MFS brand of military spec ammo at shooters edge it is cheap and they do sell it there....
Here are some cross over calibers
5.56 NATO will shoot .223 but not vise versea
and 7.62x51 will shoot .308 but not vise versa....
Right you are perfesser I made an edit
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
Are you sure you don't mean steel cased ammo? Not steel core?
Steel cased ammo is fine to use.
SFRC has soft point 7.62 x 39
http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_108_111
and 7.62 x 51 is the equivalent of .308
7.62 x 54 is the Mosin Nagant ammo
The difference between 223 Remington and 556 NATO comes down to the way the case is built and how standard loads are loaded. The same rule applies to the difference between 308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO
556 NATO/7.62 NATO tagged ammo is meant for military use. It has a marginal amount of power over a standard a 223 Remington/308 Winchester load.
Semi automatic firearms are sensitive to how much power a load has depending on how they were designed to operate.
Over time, some civy grade semi auto firearms designed for 223/308 could start to show damage if 556 NATO/7.62 NATO is fed on a regular basis, just the same as if you are trying to hot load at home and burn it in your toy.
Gas orifice and springs can be changed in many civy grade 223/308 semi autos so they can handle 556/7.62 NATO.
If you have a rifle designed for 7.62 X 54 Russian and you toss in a 308 Winchester or 7.62 NATO round , close the bolt and pull the trigger, it will most likely fire. Will it be accurate? Hmmm... Will the extractor designed for a rimmed cartridge grab the now slightly deformed case and pull it out of the chamber? Hmmm...
It's up to you to try.
Yes I put all the calibres together above to save typing...
Hmmm, maybe I should rethink the quiet part...
Does anyone know a good retailer storefront or online store that deals in ACOG style gun optics? Or have a connection for cheaper sales? Also does anyone have prior experience with acog.
I'm looking for something reasonably priced to mount on an sks rifle.
See you all after.
Does anyone know a good retailer storefront or online store that deals in ACOG style gun optics? Or have a connection for cheaper sales? Also does anyone have prior experience with acog.
I'm looking for something reasonably priced to mount on an sks rifle.
I would look for optics that dont take batteries, short term they are fine but long term or forget to shut them of all you have is a really cool [" looking class "] sort of speaking....The A/R With the back up iron sites is a nice set up.....
Go down to Inglewood gun store, or google the halo optics see what you think.....I know there is a halo optic that does not require batteries...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT_1tUI4WyA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSKDkEGA-fY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsKq2I_iJ-0&feature=related
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
I have heard a rumor...that a sporting good store in Caroline AB..sells big mags pinned at 5 with..[" rivets"]..witch is perfectly legal; the key word there is rivet not welded.....Just a friendly reminder; having a UN-PINNED mag in your "possession" will earn you a trip before the" MAN" and goodby.." all " guns licence and such......
Just saying........
An alternative to modding your 5/30 Pmags and going to prison is to buy the perfectly legal LAR15 mags and a wedge floor coupler to make it fit like a 30-round Pmag in your vest.
This gives you 20 rounds in hand per mag. Price is decent as well.
https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=1065&bc=no
When we shoot IDPA or 3-gun, we all use this setup for our AR15 stages.
Hello Buggy;
Have you cruised the local shops and peeked through some lookers yet?
Bass Pro, Wholesale, Shooting Edge, Alberta Tactical all have the right stuff to fill the things you have been looking for.
Alberta Tactical and Shooting Edge will have good advice and information from the folks behind the counter to help you get the right products for Buggy, not for a sale.
At Shooting Edge you can actually get behind some triggers...
These same good people will be a valueable source of help and info down the line. They want to meet and be friendly with people who are gun nuts, but not nuts with guns...
Hope this was helpful.
Hmmm, maybe I should rethink the quiet part...
ok so an update on my progress. I passed my PAL non-res and restricted last weekend, and the forms have been mailed off for the license. In the mean time, 1200 rounds of Norinco [pickles] has been ordered ($300 from canada ammo, cheap range round), along with a tactical chinese model 56 [banana]. [pickles] should be here by next week, and the [banana] will be picked up when my license arrives in the mail.
here is the [banana] I ordered through Marstar.
here is the link to Marstars page if you would like more images of the componants that come in the tactical package
http://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=81629
Now im not really expecting much from the scope (cant be that good if they would throw it into a package like this) but Im willing to sight it in and give it a shot (pun intended). I am happy with my choice, but I guess I will find out when it arrives. Ive seen nothing but good reviews on the chinese 56 [banana].
If anyone has anything that I would need to know about this [banana], please tell me. Any past experience with the fire arm, the scope, etc would be greatly appreciated.
Next on the wishlist is a [hand banana] .45 acpickle. I will probobly end up going with the Norinco High capacity [hand banana] Government model as seen here: http://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=75660
Again it is an inexpensive [hand banana] that fires the [pickle] I want, and I have read fairly solid reviews on it. Only complain seems to be with the finish, as there are often machine marks left on the milled parts, some steel burs that may need to be buffed out, but a decent starter [hand banana]. I plan on pouring alot of [pickles] through both of these [bananas] in the next little while to develop my muscle memory and accuracy. Id rather not do that with a $1500 model, plus my girlfriend would kill me.
See you all after.
Congratulations on your purchase. Great selection. When you get it it will be covered in Cosmoline which will be in EVERY little nook and cranny. Make sure you take everything apart and do a total deep clean. ESPECIALLY the breech block. It is a floating fireing pin and it has to be free to move. If there is a lot of gunk in there it will hinder movement. There is an aftermarket fireing pin you can get that has a spring. Some reccomend it and others not so much. I figure if it was good enough without the spring for the military it is good enough for me. I have about 1000 rds through mine (no spring)with no issues whatsoever. There are also 2 schools of thought on the scope mount. It is mounted on the action cover which has the capacity to move and constantly change zero. Not much... but enough. Some accept it. Some get a mount for the rear sigh block and use a scout scope. Just a few thoughts. Again... congrats.
I have a question about ammunition. One of the firearms I am looking at (chinese military surplus sks) fires 7.62x39 rounds. Is there a more common "non-russian" equivelant round that this rifle will fire?
Also, is the 7.62x39 round only available in steel core? That seems to be the only bullet type I can find online, and most firing ranges do not allow it.
Buggie,
they do make lead core 7.62x39, and it just so happen canadaammo has it in stock right now. I think steel core is usually not allowed at most ranges because of worries about ricochet. The lead core stuff I've seen has mostly been newer make from Eastern Europe. [EDIT: canadaammo's lead core is from norinco, and is steel cased, not steel core, which should be fine for the range. If your stuff is older vintage it may be different!] It is still, presumably, non-expanding and not suitable for hunting big game like deer and moose (which by law requires frangible bullets).
There is no 'non-russian' equivalent for 7.62x39, it just is what it is.
I agree with traveller, the hunting rounds available are pricey compared to surplus, though they are about the same as other hunting caliber rounds. I'd recommend keeping a few boxes, and getting a hunting license and white tail deer tag, too!