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(@justdoit)
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http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Simons+Seizure+alleged+road+rage+case+creates+noxious+Catch/8789698/story.html

Civil forfeiture is a civil proceeding. The province doesn’t have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty.

Alberta Justice can keep your stuff, even if you’re acquitted.

The province only needs to convince a civil court judge that on a balance of probabilities, you probably broke the law.



   
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(@denob)
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Grossly unjust!
If I were in Alberta, I would start making some noise to lawmakers about this!
I can understand when the accused is found guilty...kind of, but to do this in a civil court is akin to presumed guilty.



   
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(@barking-mad)
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I think there is something else in play here - we aren't getting the whole story...


"It was me - I let the dogs out!"


   
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(@helicopilot)
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I'm sure this is the only way you can stop a repeat offender, may it be from DUI, excessive speeding or, in this case, violent road rage. the guy had already been convicted 5 timesmafter all.

That said, forfeiture should be part of the criminal punishment AFTER trial as requested by the Crown. Cops can't be judges, juries and executioners.



   
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(@justdoit)
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IF.. Big if.. But.. IF this is from road rage and he did no harm that cost someone money.. How can they impound and sell something that is owned by someone.. Again.. IF this is from road rage.. If he has a loan on it are they going to tell him he has to continue paying cause i she the heck wouldnt continue paying. Pulling his license and giving him larger and larger fines each time would have stopped this.. Well stopped it just as well as this would have. It's simple to go buy a beater car and keep driving so with out jail time how is this going to stop him. If he works a normal job and paied for that truck It's not theirs to take and sell..

Now the part that really frosts my cheeks is they are assuming him guilty before going to court.. uhh.. Welcome to russa..



   
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BelowTheRadar
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I'm sure this is the only way you can stop a repeat offender, may it be from DUI, excessive speeding or, in this case, violent road rage. the guy had already been convicted 5 timesmafter all.

That said, forfeiture should be part of the criminal punishment AFTER trial as requested by the Crown. Cops can't be judges, juries and executioners.

Just blow a .05 to .079 breathalyzer in Alberta and tell me how cops can't be judges, juries and executioners on the side of the road. If you blow .08 you get rights under the criminal code. (I don't condone drinking and driving, nor do I condone 'nanny state' draconian laws.)

I'd still like to know who's idea it was to have the RCMP go 'gun hunting' when high river flooded?

Just remember Alberta's premier worked for the UN for years, was rejected on a South African citizenship application, is a firm believer in Agenda 21 and attended the Bilderberg 2012 meeting.

For anyone that voted PC in the last provincial election brace yourself for more of what you wished for.


Than= I’d rather be rich than poor.
Then= I first became hungry then I ate.
There = She is there now.
Their = They have their things.
They're = They're going to the mall.
To = They came to the house.
Too = That's too bad.


   
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(@justdoit)
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I'd still like to know who's idea it was to have the RCMP go 'gun hunting' when high river flooded?

Im curious of how many gun safes and how many gun rooms were "opened" to retrieved secured firearms.

I have had one thought on all of those firearms.. What if a person that had restricted firearms packed em all up and hauled em elsewhere.. At what point would the RCMP and CFC go after them for these guns not being stored at the location that is listed with the CFC..



   
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BelowTheRadar
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I'd still like to know who's idea it was to have the RCMP go 'gun hunting' when high river flooded?

Im curious of how many gun safes and how many gun rooms were "opened" to retrieved secured firearms.

I have had one thought on all of those firearms.. What if a person that had restricted firearms packed em all up and hauled em elsewhere.. At what point would the RCMP and CFC go after them for these guns not being stored at the location that is listed with the CFC..

If the new 'storage and transport' laws are anything like they were 25 years ago the restricted gun owner would be finding themselves in a world of hurt unless transpporting the restricted fire arm directly to a gun range with locker facilities and storing the restricted weapon there. Keeping a restricted weapon (in a locked case) in your holiday trailer or trunk of your car didn't cut it back then.


Than= I’d rather be rich than poor.
Then= I first became hungry then I ate.
There = She is there now.
Their = They have their things.
They're = They're going to the mall.
To = They came to the house.
Too = That's too bad.


   
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(@justdoit)
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Im curious of how many gun safes and how many gun rooms were "opened" to retrieved secured firearms.

I have had one thought on all of those firearms.. What if a person that had restricted firearms packed em all up and hauled em elsewhere.. At what point would the RCMP and CFC go after them for these guns not being stored at the location that is listed with the CFC..

If the new 'storage and transport' laws are anything like they were 25 years ago the restricted gun owner would be finding themselves in a world of hurt unless transpporting the restricted fire arm directly to a gun range with locker facilities and storing the restricted weapon there. Keeping a restricted weapon (in a locked case) in your holiday trailer or trunk of your car didn't cut it back then.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Leaving Any Class of Firearm in an Unattended Vehicle

Lock non-restricted firearms and locked containers carrying restricted or prohibited firearms in the trunk or in a similar lockable compartment.
If the vehicle does not have a trunk or lockable compartment, put firearms and firearm containers out of sight inside the vehicle and lock the vehicle.
If you are in a remote wilderness area and cannot lock your non-restricted firearms inside your vehicle, unload them and put them out of sight. Attach a secure locking device to the firearms unless they are needed for predator control.

I'm going to stop off at the RCMP office to see what their take is on it. See if they can show me in their book on what is right...



   
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