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(@averna)
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Hi,
I thought I'd post about the forest fire situation. I live in Vancouver and the recent blanket of smoke gave me a new perspective. For one thing, I realized how fortunate we are in the city by the sea, not to experience the fear of forest fires as the wind usually blows in from the sea. But the other thing I realized, is that this is very likely what global warming will look like here in heavily forested BC. This makes the idea of bugging out a lot trickier. I'm curious what others of you think about this scenario and how you might deal with it.

Thanks,
Averna



   
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cernunnos5
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Yes. BC has been on my mind a lot. My thoughts for BC preppers. Own a campervan, small trailer of some small type of motorhome. That way, if you have to be evacuated from an area, you have your own mini home to live in so you are not reliant on being forced to stay in a school gym and the like. Plus, you can take your animals, valuables and survival supplies.

Next. DO NOT have a home tucked into trees. You have to live in a field, far from the tree line. I despise lawns.....but you must cut back all tall grasses and shrubs around you. That means a big green lawn. Its a good excuse to keep sheep.

get some sprinklers and hoses and figure out how to attach them to your roof as well as surrounding your house. Get them now because you wont be able to find them when the fire is approaching.

That's all I got. Good luck.


I have a Tactical Harness and I have a Tool Belt. The Tool Belt is more Useful.


   
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(@helicopilot)
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Good point C5. The issue isn't just with forest fires, but also the wild bush fires of the prairies. This adds weight to the choice of building materials (brick walls, metal roofs) as well as having the means to create a fire break. Lawn works but better yet would be a tractor with plow to have a large swath of upturned earth around the property. Sprinklers are also a must as last ditch effort should the need comes to evacuate.



   
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(@goldie)
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Having a camper Trailer to bug-out in and be able to take dogs and gear is a good idea.
However, we also run into the problem that GAS might be hard to come by in an affected
area of disaster. Also GAS does not have a really long shelf life.

I wish , O do I wish, that development of solar energy and electric vehicles were farther along
in development.

Speaking of the forest fires. I do know someone that has a camper and had to do that very thing,
bug-out in the camper and leave the home behind.

If you are in these fire situation areas, please don't leave it to the last minute. Many are staying
until they are under mandatory evacuation and are still dashing around collecting things to take
at the last minute. These fires have been going on in some areas long enough for the
vehicle and gear to be ready to leave right now , if not already left .



   
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peppercorn
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Having a camper Trailer to bug-out in and be able to take dogs and gear is a good idea.
However, we also run into the problem that GAS might be hard to come by in an affected
area of disaster. Also GAS does not have a really long shelf life

yes,no maybe so.....more so a problem with older carbourator systems I think. if you have fuel injected, or even fuel injected carb you may be ok, and I say this from experience....like many in the country I am wealthy in old cars 🙄 I have fired them up after sitting for 5,6 years and no problem or loss of power that I could notice.I run them for a few days, put in some new fuel and park them up..I have had no problems, Took one to Saskatchewan with old fuel.now I would not keep running them on old fuel if I had some stored, as I suspect old fuel would over time start to gum the injectors, plug fuel filters, but to burn up a tank I would not be worried...so from my experience...years, I also have some carborated engines and I have poured in 3 year old gas and while the engine ran rpms were lower, and there was a loss of power I could hear the difference, but again it still ran though it was rough. You usually don't have to go far to get out of a fire zone, just keeping a 20 litter jerry can with fresh gas at the ready would propel you 100 plus km out of a danger zone


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(@helicopilot)
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I have several 5 gal fuel cans stock. It never goes bad...

1) buy ethanol free gas, it's pricier, but stores better
2) add stabil in it or whatever chemical you have on hand for that purpose. This should easily add another 6 months of "freshness" to it
3) maybe the first 2 steps aren't needed if you simply rotate through your gas regularly. 2x/year, I let the vehicles' tanks go a bit lower (I'm a glass half full or better kind of guy) and instead of filling them up at the gas station, I fill up from storage than refill the tank. Then I purge the generator (large one and kept full) and also burn that gas in the vehicles before putting fresh gas in.

For a motor home, you could practically do the same. Keep a minimum amount of fuel in it and have several gas cans ready to pour in it. If not needed, rotate. I suppose you could also keep the motor home full and just syphon it dry every now and then.



   
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cernunnos5
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Yes. I know it sounds like that crazy C5 being a broken record. Many "preppers" are all, "Guns and Gold and Gear". This will create a horde of starving, freezing, desperate militias. What could go wrong? Instead, focus on Food Storage, Food Production, Firewood, FEUL and Friends. (Why don't we call these C5s F5s)

The fuel part. My fuel supply is nothing special. A dozen cans of gas and a few of diesel for the tractor. I take out the pore hose and put in a circular rubber washer made out of a tire tube. This keeps expanding gas from pushing up the hose. I rotate these into the car, every 6 months. Its inconvenient and just one more chore I have to do twice a year but that is part of being prepared. Im not super diligent. Half of them are empty at the moment because I used them and have been hoping the gas price drops a bit after Iran's oil enters system.

The friends part means you also have a place to go if you have to be evacuated.


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(@goldie)
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Ok . I understand the concept of use from the stuff on your food storage shelves and replace with new stuff to
keep it rotated. But I had not thought of doing it for " GAS "

I will buy some brand new containers for the CAR . I already only use the premium stuff for both
my car and the lawn mower. However all my many cans for the lawn mower are not the greatest as
eventually there always seems to get a bit of grass blade in them.

So I should get some new ones and either label them CAR only or label the lawn mower ones with an X

I always buy the smaller gas cans as they get heavy for me to lift and I find the smaller ones easier
so I have less spillage accidents.



   
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peppercorn
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whatever container works for you size wise is fine. Fill it up with winter gas come fall/winter ( I have found winter gas stores better), then around late summer of the next year burn it up in your lawnmower, and refill again come winter. Myself I would go two years with stored winter gas and would not be worrying about anything. Yes that fuel stab stuff is good I just haven't found the need. far more important to get gas without ethanol in it but regardless just keep it tightly sealed, and in a dark cool place and you will be fine. just my experience...


Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.


   
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(@helicopilot)
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The only advice regarding gas cans is the smaller you get, the more expensive your storage becomes. There is hardly a price difference between the smallest of cans and the largest ones, but you'll need to buy several small ones. Larger ones are obviously heavier to pour in, but a cheap siphon from Walmart would solve that problem as you can leave the can on the ground and let physics do its work.



   
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 ndn
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all i need is for my family to be safe out side the fire zone and out of harms way and ill he happy,i may loss every thing but i cant replace family


Thank you

NDN


   
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(@screedcrete)
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Just to clarify Helipilots response with the siphon is good however leaving the can on the ground will not work so well at all. The tank being filled must be lower than the full tank to continue the siphon action cause by gravity. Simply lifting the full can higher and using the siphon will drain the full can but it must be higher than the empty tank unless you are going to sit and squeeze the pump for the whole 5 gallons. If one cannot lift this that high you can drive it to a higher point and then park lower ( think retaining wall) and then fill from there. Being able to move with supplies and enough room to provide shelter for rain, wind, falling branches, lightning, etc is a good idea. Gaining outback skills will enlarge your living environment substantially as well. You can't LIVE in these units for too long without depending on other skills to keep you from harms way.


Whatever tomorrow brings,… I will be there! 😉


   
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(@enuff)
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Our sailboat is moored up in the Sechelt area and we just sailed out of the smoke! Living for weeks on a boat sure makes you priorities what you need and what you want. You can get by on a few simple basic things.

I also live in the Cariboo in a cabin in the woods and though you would like to cover all scenarios you just can't. So I enjoy my trees around me and if a forest fire comes it comes. There isn't much I can do about it. Unless of course if I owned a water bomber!!! 🙂



   
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(@valleygal)
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We just had a forest fire near us recently. Thankfully not too large, but we were still on evacuation alert. We have a lake in front, trees are back 2-300 ft , a circular drive and a metal roof. Motorhome and 2 four wheel drives to go. Can't say so much about our neighbours.



   
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(@helicopilot)
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I have to admit that I'm a bit torn on something. I don't care much for camping and motor home are really expensive, but I have to say that they make for the best BOV in my opinion. Maybe not in the much discussed TEOTWAWKI, but for those moments like bush fires, floods, hurricane evacuations, etc. That is ideal to not be at the mercy of overcrowded hotels, Red Cross centres and cousin Jim's guest room. Good on you for those who have one.



   
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