Why in the hell would you want a flintlock rifle in a fire fight!? this isnt 1812 anymore!

I, for one, don't plan to go looking for a firefight. I've been in enough of them to know that they aren't really all that much fun. But for those who can't get a gun, a flintlock may be better than nothing for hunting. Modern flintlocks are actually very accurate.

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I'll just come out and say it -
Despite our success and pending victories with the Registry and licensing, gun laws in Canada are still fairly tight. Posting discussions on how to get guns into the hands of unlicensed and likely untrained persons is only ASKING for trouble.

Top that potential with the way this post has turned, I think we best lock it to future discussion...Bickering over firefights is NOT what this(these) sites and forums are about.

jefft78,
You might wish to reconsider that, as someone with a bow, I can tell you there are reasons the flintlock surplanted (is that a word?) the bow. I had a relative bring over a new flintlock, and we spent the day testing it out, I had a bit of learning curve, but I can say no question that I could take any game with it. A little hang time on the ignition, but I never had a missfire (in 25-30 shots), The recoil, and noise gental, I would love to own one. 50 cal, and I cant remember for sure but around 180-200 gr slugs. Shot out to 140-150 yrds on maybe a 6-8 inch grouping off hand . Enjoyed it,give it a try you will like it.

Nootkanick is right, there are loop holes that allow this kind of posession, but if you are skeptical, getting your PAL is no big deal. If you are experienced with guns, just challenge the test. If not, take the course and you are on your way. The test is easy. My cat could pass it. SGKelly.

okay I checked about prices and licence and gun is best choice but even thats too much for my budget. instead more food I will buy. Thank for help.
I could not find how to delete an old post ? I edited only 🙂

Only flintlock or all blackpowders ? My plan is to buy the cheapest kit (rifle,cleaning,ammo,etc..) as I am new to any rifle thing 🙂 Any recommendation and help if someone close to downtown Vancouver ?
Thanks

The best suggestion I could make, is to take the firearms course and get your licence, it's well worth it.

As a competitive shooting coach, working on a really low budget I would recommend homebows instead of firearms. A short bow can be made relatively easily, and for a few bucks at the hardware store, a PVC bow can be made. Silent, deadly, inconspicuous, and easy to reload.

H

Hammer I like the idea of a homemade bow, I think it sounds very practical, and the inexpensive part makes the idea even more attractive. I can see where there would be great benefit to a weekend get together sometime this summer to do workshops on various specialized skills such as the ones you and others are mentioning.

PVC bow, cool i'd like to learn how to make one of those,inexpensive and practical means its right up my ally. In own firearms, but honestly never really gave much thought to making a homemade bow.

Tell me Hammer, just how many hours would one have to spend practicing with a home made bow before you could actually hit anything with it consistently?

This is about survival, not a hobby you can spend years practicing at. You need to hit first time, every time. Get a crossbow, spend the money one a good one as if your life depended on it.
Or, if you want to go cheap, get your PAL for guns and get a cheap gun.

Bow = range 30 yards = $100- more for a good one
Crossbow = range 50 yards = $500
PAL and .22 rifle = range 70 yards = $400

You're right, Archery can take years to 'master', and it can be difficult the first few times you shoot a bow. In my opinion, having only shot a longbow maybe a dozen times, at 45-50 feet I can make a 22 inch grouping with my longbow. My crossbow has a much longer range than 50 yards. Closer to 150 yards. It easily fires with the same 'Muzzle' velocity as a .308, and the impact made by it, even blunted, would kill a man. But Crossbows are not easy either, as there is a whole other level of compensation when firing one.

You make a valid point, that a PAL and a cheap .22 rifle are relatively cheap. Sadly, that .22 rifle also depends on a finite amount of ammunition, though admittedly it is available anywhere and everywhere. A shortbow, after some practice, can be silent, accurate, and just as deadly, if not moreso, as a .22 rifle.

To answer your initial question, Perfesser, I've spent just under 15 hours practicing with my bow, and I'm confident I would be able to hit my target with it. A hit from a longbow will down a fully grown man. A hit from a skilled archer will kill that man. Unless you're a crack shot with that .22 rifle, your chances of taking down a fully grown man running on adrenaline and desperation drop down very low. A .22 would not pierce the rib cage if it happened to hit a rib. It wouldn't pierce the skull if it didn't hit a soft spot, and you'd be very lucky indeed if it pierced kneecaps. So, you're narrowed down to small targets. The larger the target, the easier it is to hit, even with an untrained shooter/archer. If a rifle is necessary, I recommend a Russian Simonov SKS, for the simple reason of being relatively high power, and very inexpensive to shoot and own. I purchased mine with 700 rounds of ammunition for just under 400. Marstar.ca has a deal on right now that's very similar. And a PAL is relatively cheap as well.

I based my recommendation on the need to have an expedient weapon, made on a budget, that can be effective, regardless of experience.

H

You forgot one point Hammer, with a bow/crossbow, you can often recover your ammunition. Try that once you shoot a .22, or any other gun. Having said that, even though I've been considering getting a bow for some time now, I don't plan to get rid of my guns.
Another point about the bow is silence. When you take down an animal with a bow, it doesn't spook all the other critters in your hunting grounds. When you take down an animal with a bow, it doesn't alert the critters who may be hunting some one like you. Also, everyone mentions how it takes years to master the bow. You don't have to master it, you just have to become proficient. Besides, we spend years prepping so why not devote part of that time to practice. Just my 2 cents.

Hey hammer it's hard to argue facts and you have them in Spades. Like your bow idea very much.

I agree with the stealth aspect of a bow but most folks thinking about this are doing it as an afterthought, not a lifetime hobby. My point is that is just as inexpensive to go the firearm route as anything else and it's the best option for accuracy if you're more of a part timer.
It's OK to miss that game if lunch is waiting for you already but if you gotta make the kill to eat nothing beats a bullet.