We now rely on our cell phone like no other invention before. As a distraction, you email, text, and Facebook others your personal lives without a second thought. You also likely maintain relationships, personal contacts and appointments with this little device. And since GPS tells you where to go and how long it will take to get there, many already would be hard pressed to do without this device.
You can also watch the news and see current events unfold thru approved (or non-approved) news sources. Most have seen documentaries on such things as global warming, and know it explains why there are water shortages in one area and flooding in another. This in turn explains the drought which is causing crop failures and food shortages. Documentaries which better explain 9/11 and our need for oil show us that there is a countdown to watch for and personal logic has made some of you get up off that couch and start to prepare.
You don't quite know how to go about this because you've never done this before. What to take or leave behind? Surely you take the cell phone. How can you read all the data you've collected otherwise? You can't carry it all in printed format. And how can you trust your fuzzy memory which is impeded by all the GMO foods you've inhaled over the years.
You know that the government can track you thru this little device that you volunteer to carry around, but your chained to it just the same. You may think you comprehend your governments limits, but don't realize that they have been preparing for this countdown a lot longer than the rest of us because their analysts forewarned them many years before. They've been pushing thru new laws and stockpiling for their continued existence while considering ways to control the masses during the inevitable die-off which has to come. With the attempts to force gun bans, promotion of entering staged conflicts(and so speed things up with a war), and now dismissing those military leaders who are unwilling to partake in hypothetical's about battling one's own countrymen, we can now see that time is running short.
This following link, http://www.cassidiancommunications.com/pdf/RCMP_ArticleReprint_KeyTouchMagazine_Final.pdf ( this is a download file so check your downloads directory) shows Canada had put equipment in place to record 265,000 phone calls daily since the G8 summit took place. Yet the new laws that came after simply allow them to use the recorded information against you in a court of law(while expanding this monitoring system further). But this is nothing compared to what they can truly do....
With new super computers and surveillance systems, they can now monitor and watch for unusual patterns too. One such pattern might be if you and others were to go electronically dark for a time. Say you were meeting up with others, but before getting there, you switch off your cell phone. And say others did the same thing in that vicinity at the same time. Just that action alone could put you and other on their radar! Then using surveillance cameras installed in that area, your picture is fed through facial recognition software, and the faces matched up with the cell phones that were switched off. Now you are all connected and flagged as attempting to evade surveillance.
-Just a little insight to remind you that just "switching off" your cell doesn't exactly free you from it! I'll add more in this thread from time to time as to how to work around and better protect yourself while hanging onto your electronic toys.
WHAT TO BUY
In this world of the computer age, books are likely an item of past days. The problem is that in a disaster scenario, knowledge stored on computers will likely be hard to retrieve, especially after an EMP discharge. Most electronics couldn't survive this event and even if they did, access to the web is unlikely. Also you would need a printer with lots of ink and paper to reproduce written copies(unless you already have them printed...unlikely).
1/ EReader:
This is likely going to be your most used electronic toy in an emergency due to its longevity without power. This tablet is unlike most I-Pads and Android tablets due to its lack of a backlight.
• Laptops can run 1 - 3 hours without charge
• Tablets run 3 - 8 hours average
• EReaders run 1 - 4 weeks on a single charge
Advantages:
• they can be read in brightest sunlight or even dim firelight.
• can't be tracked thru GPS location software (= very secure)
• low price (found mine on EBay for $50 new)
• lightweight (7.5 ounces), thin, equivalent to holding up a paper pad
• no glare screen produces less eye strain then other tablets
• breaks PDF files into legible pages instead of scrolling around to read
Disadvantages:
• The operating system does little - show files to read or books to buy online.
• Files limited to PDF, epub or emobi on some
• no sound
• cannot do emails, typing, etc.
• Therefore EReaders have limited use but this can be remedied....
The Nook EReader (non-colored screen) can be modified by loading Android as a second OS. This then allows:
• internet connection for email
• running basic Android apps
• tethering to phone
• printing a file
• read micro SD card files from phones
Since there is only 2 GB internal memory, these units have limited ability but is still the most useful to view your saved files. When buying, note such limits as base memory and make sure the unit has a Micro SD slot for expandability.
There are many videos showing how to root your Nook such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFZVpCSRpeI
You know that the government can track you thru this little device that you volunteer to carry around, but your chained to it just the same.
Electronics are a no-no for those bugging out and seeking to remain invisible.
I will illustrate via the current Flight 370 charade.
Early on in all of this, the msm (mainstream media) was talking about how remote the Indian Ocean was, and how long it would take to get anything out there to look for the black boxes from flight 370. Most media said it would take two weeks. THAT is a lie.
The actual time to get proper search equipment into the area is 4 hours or less. THAT is how long it would take an F-16 to take off from Diego Garcia and fly ANYWHERE in the region to scan it at mach 2. And in reality, with all the NSA satellites up there, satellites so sensitive that they can detect the beeper circuit in a digital watch from outer space, the real time is ZERO. And if this entire charade was real, that is exactly what would have happened. But since it's all a dog and pony show of fraud, two weeks was the number given because then they could look for a little while and say OH, we will never find it now, the batteries are dead.
What an insult of a joke, some things want to make me hurl my last meal, and this is one of them.
The NSA has satellites that can find you in the wilderness if you choose to hide out there just by looking for something as simple as having a digital watch with an hour beeper set to beep, or an alarm on it, or an analog faced watch with digital guts. This is NOT B.S., I used to work for the NSA in a position much higher than Snowden and know what is going on here so take this as a bit of advice separate from the flight 370 story.
The NSA has black radiotelescopic satellites in orbit that have dishes in excess of 180 feet across, a feat made simple by the fact that the dishes do not need to be supported while in the weightlessness of orbit, so they don't need a lot of structural materials in them. These telescopes are so sensitive that if you are out in the country, in the wilderness away from all the other radio chatter and electromagnetic interference, a simple battery operated watch is all it will take to give away your position. And the circuits in a portable FM or AM radio are even better for blowing your cover.
You CANNOT HIDE FROM THE NSA NO MATTER WHAT, absent abandoning all electronics, so I beg to question - HOW COULD THEY HAVE LOST FLIGHT 370 AND SUBSEQUENTLY NEVER FOUND IT WHEN THEY HAVE HUGE RADIOTELESCOPES IN SPACE THAT CAN DETECT THE OPERATION OF CIRCUITS AS LOW POWERED AS THOSE IN A WATCH? The entire fraud of even needing to send people out to look for the black boxes, which emit a ping millions of times as strong as the circuits in a watch, is sickening. Is the NSA good for anything that will actually help us? I'd say .....maybe..... if flight 370 actually crashed. And therefore no.
I produced this 4-min. video, "NSA 101," to show people what I am talking about with the RF emissions from a watch and other devices:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&
v=X-_kUTWbBn0
- Jim Stone
I liked your video very much. You have valid points and proved them thoroughly as to producing emissions. If I ever figure to have to avoid the NSA, I will be following thru with your suggestions. I noted that since the VOM meter produced no emissions when turned off. Therefore I'd assume using a radio in the same manner would be a feasible method of ensuring no signals are being leaked by various items of technology when turned off, should a situation arise where the NSA would be watching.
This screams FRINGES!
Oh, and BTW, an F16 taking off from Diego Garcia flying at Mach 2... Would run out of gas well before it makes it anywhere near to where the search area is. Then even with a network of tankers along the way and over the search area, an F16 wouldn't really make a very good search sensor. Maybe (maybe...) the Americans are the bad people everyone likes to demonize, but there are many other governments involved in the search now, with very capable assets, so it would be hard to really make this a secret charade.
And your closing paragraph, "if flight 380 actually crashed" just add to my skepticism of the veracity of your comment. Preppers shouldn't mean conspiracy theorists. I'll stop here with this before I turn to sarcasm.
I agree fully that there is a line between the plausible and theoretical and we tripped over it for a moment or two. Having studied law as a P/O, I still divide intel into catagories they defined as it seems to work well. The three classes are:
1/ Real evidence: that which you can determine with your senses...see & touch because they exist. "The accused owns this knife"
2/ Circumstantial: "the accused was in the vicinity, he had a motive". Harder to convict on, but enough of it can sway the decision
3/ Heresay: "not fact and not admissible in a court of law."
I like to seperate the "wheat from the chaff", but I still listen to the heresay because it too can contain wisdom at times. Logic and reason are the tools we use to determine where we place the value of this information, should we require to follow thru with its advice someday.
Logic dictates that a pilot would know details on the limits of most aircraft better then the rest of us. Therefore logic dictates helicopilots explanation would likely be more accurate. (I can only use logic regarding this matter as I know neither individuals enough otherwise). I doubt I will ever attract the NSA's attention to worry about these issues and cannot imagine that all the animals in my vacinity would stay quiet while someone aimed a dish around trying to locate my electronic devices...that would require an amazing noise filter system....yet I too listen to conspiracy theorists since some have the backing of 1,700(and counting) structural engineers petitioning 9/11 events an inside job.(they get my vote too).
Oh, and BTW, an F16 taking off from Diego Garcia flying at Mach 2... Would run out of gas well before it makes it anywhere near to where the search area is.
Wrong, as Diego Garcia, and only Diego Garcia, IS the true “search area.”
Then even wi
a network of tankers along the way and over the search area, an F16 wouldn't really make a very good search sensor. Precisely the point: it wouldn’t HAVE to be “a good search sensor.” If they wanted it ‘found,’ it would have been found, and quickly.
Maybe (maybe...) the Americans are the bad people everyone likes to demonize, but there are many other governments involved in the search now, with very capable assets, so it would be hard to really make this a secret charade.
The present purported “search” IS the “charade.” And the more that “other governments” become “involved” is no proof that they are following the path of truth.
And your closing paragraph, "if flight 380 actually crashed" just add to my skepticism of the veracity of your comment.
Where have you heard that it did “crash”? ...from the msm (mainstream media, of course), “adding to MY skepticism“ of your inability to see anything outside of your programmed vision of reality i.e. tell-a-vision. “I saw it on TV, it must be real!”
Preppers shouldn't mean conspiracy theorists. I'll stop here with this before I turn to sarcasm.
Then why would you attempt to sidetrack your opponent with name calling and ridicule? Yours is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Why associate your opponents with unpopular titles such as "conspiracy theorists" (ala 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates') and so forth? Why? ...because this makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
Getting back to the OP, the NSA uses radio waves.
For example, the NSA is tracking people right now via cell phones. The Washington Post article:
and
The New York Times article, "N.S.A. Devises Radio Pathway Into Computers":
Just a little due diligence, a desire to step beyond one's present understanding and to learn the truth, can produce surprising results.
"NSA Bugs Can Spy on 100,000 Computers, Even When They're Offline":
Lest you think you are merely the little guy and unimportant to the likes of NSA, know that YOU are the target - FROM BIRTH:
DNA database kept of all newborns:
[ http://www.prisonplanet.com/newborns-dna-routinely-harvested-for-government-bio-banks.html ]
There's no "theory" in criminal conspiracy.
To reiterate, electronics are a no-no for those who wish to remain "invisible" at their BOL.
19/04/2014 8:41 amSimply, Occam's razor and the good old approach of "if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck and if it quacks like a duck..."
At the end of the day, anyone can try to network anything in life and come up with a somewhat plausible explanation. One could rationalize that cars were invented to burn gasoline to enrich the oil companies which profit to the banks which profit the Rockefeller, which supports a NWO. Or you could just rationalize that cars were invented as evolution to horse and buggies to help with human transportation. Both explanations are somewhat justifiable, but one has much more direct link and is therefore more likely.
Doctrox, this is not meant to turn to - or even originate as - a conflict based one your post. The reality is that Preppers are often associated with those very terms you pointed above (though sexual deviants seems a bit far fetched, but anyway...). In previous posts, it became obvious that the average member of IPN/CPN don't associate much with conspiracies, hence why the Fringe forum was created. I fully believe in freedom of speech and I'd say for this one, let's just agree to disagree.
Back to the original post....
I do agree, from an electronic warfare perspective, that emissions can be tracked. That said, considering the whole spectrum of emissions in today's day and age, one also has to wonder what would make them "interesting" to make them a person of interest. It's not because the military (or the government) has the ability to "listen" to everything and everywhere (even though it doesn't) that it has the mans of processing all the data, collate it and turn this into useful intelligence.
And finally, why would an average grey man would be concerned about the government being out to get them?
Topic starter 19/04/2014 8:58 amI do agree, from an electronic warfare perspective, that emissions can be tracked.
That's nice, but gaining your (or anyone's) "agreement" means nothing in the face of the truth; my opinion is no better than anyone else's. However, I have illustrated my premise re: prepper electronics, with documentation and facts. Our goal should not be to backslap each other to death. Our goal is to seek the truth, regardless of the consequences, and thus be set free from the counterfeits which would ultimately hazard us.
That said, considering the whole spectrum of emissions in today's day and age, one also has to wonder what would make them "interesting" to make them a person of interest.
Again, as I have shown, NSA certainly finds you to be "interesting" if you, or the devices you are utilizing, are emitting RF. I have simply documented the fact that this is indeed one of NSA's agendas.
Of course, there will always be some who will yell "fringe!" because this info is outside of their comfort zone.
re: the OP, "Breaking Free of your Electronic Toys," the fact remains about NSA's interest in your electronic signatures. Do what you will with that revelation.
It's not because the military (or the government) has the ability to "listen" to everything and everywhere (even though it doesn't)...
Yes, it does.
...that it has the mans of processing all the data, collate it and turn this into useful intelligence.
Yes, it does, and yes, it can.
Every single electronic communication today is data-banked. In addition to its Fort Meade, Maryland location, the NSA is now building a monolithic heavily fortified $2 billion facility deep in the Utah desert.
NSA’s Utah Data Center, according to Fox News and others:
And finally, why would an average grey man would be concerned about the government being out to get them?
The truth is, you are not "average;" you've been lied to about that, as well. Don't believe it.
19/04/2014 9:57 amOk, I refuse to get down this road. Judge me as "sheeple", I don't care. You are obviously set in your belief that you must find the truth at all cost and that it is your mission to educate others. Good luck with your endeavour, I sign off from the thread.
PS : I can only prepare for what I can anticipate, plan for and prepare against. The theory that the government can turn against me, though remotely possible, isn't something I can really prepare for without losing a semblance of peace of mind. If you want to prepare for that, think 3 percenter patriots....
Helicopilot closing down now, out.
Topic starter 19/04/2014 10:17 amOk, I refuse to get down this road. Judge me as "sheeple", I don't care.
I have not "judged" anyone. My road is not the path of least resistance.
You are obviously set in your belief that you must find the truth at all cost and that it is your mission to educate others.
I have no "beliefs" relative to the OP. What I may believe is not relevant to the documented facts, a few of which I have posted, which are available to the diligent truth seeker.
I would add that abiding in the truth is a priority for me; evidently, it is not a priority for all...
PS : I can only prepare for what I can anticipate, plan for and prepare against.
Indeed, that is the gist of the OP. Let us therefore optimistically assume that others here have taken heed of some of the posted facts of the matter re: the consequences of choosing to utilize electronics in a BO situation.
The theory...
Why has anything these days which questions the status quo become mere perjorative "theory"?
The theory that the government can turn against me, though remotely possible, isn't something I can really prepare for without losing a semblance of peace of mind. If you want to prepare for that, think 3 percenter patriots....
Why prepare for anything less, with anything less?
And I assure you that the confidence, indeed, the "peace of mind," that comes with diligent preparation, trumps all fear.
I won't be pigeonholed into the "conspiracy theory bin" or the "3 percenter's" or any other convenient construct. The documented facts speak for themselves.
I liked your video very much. You have valid points and proved them thoroughly as to producing emissions. If I ever figure to have to avoid the NSA, I will be following thru with your suggestions. I noted that since the VOM meter produced no emissions when turned off. Therefore I'd assume using a radio in the same manner would be a feasible method of ensuring no signals are being leaked by various items of technology when turned off, should a situation arise where the NSA would be watching.
Yes, there are levels of detectability, if you will, among the myriad electronic devices. And thus far, this radio check seems to work for me. However, with cell phones in particular, some devices are not required to be switched "on" to be completely trackable. Realize also that the NSA IS "watching" 24/7 - capturing every electronic communication worldwide and, at a minimum, data-banking it.
19/04/2014 10:48 amThis is NOT B.S., I used to work for the NSA in a position much higher than Snowden and know what is going on here so take this as a bit of advice separate from the flight 370 story.
Well now, I shall expect the authorities to be contacting me soon for your IP address.
Anyone in a higher position in the NSA than Snowden who is putting out this type of info on a publicly viewable forum would surely be aware of the consequences.
I suggest you leave NZ right now and head for Russia for the protection factor.
Can you be tracked through your cell phone? Well ya, and I don't think anyone here would argue that.
However, the whole idea that the government has a secret plan to take over the world certainly belongs in the fringe area.
Let's keep this discussion to the facts of trackability of electronics devices.
Oh, and BTW, Snowden did not work for the NSA. He worked for DELL, and later Booze Allen which were contracted to administrate various systems within the NSA.
Topic starter 19/04/2014 11:03 am.
Well, well, the bigger guns have taken aim!Well now, I shall expect the authorities to be contacting me soon for your IP address.
lol Finally, a bit of humor. And they won't need you to pursue me.
Anyone in a higher position in the NSA than Snowden who is putting out this type of info on a publicly viewable forum would surely be aware of the consequences....
Oh, and BTW, Snowden did not work for the NSA. He worked for DELL, and later Booze Allen which were contracted to administrate various systems within the NSA.Correct. And careful now; when you speak of consequences, you are only speaking "theoretically"...
BTW, you can read all about Jim Stone here: jimstonefreelance.com
I suggest you leave NZ right now and head for Russia for the protection factor.
Jim has indeed recently fled, apparently from USA to Mexico. In any case, on what do you base your suggestion?
Can you be tracked through your cell phone? Well ya, and I don't think anyone here would argue that.
Of course they would argue, simply because they can. The real question, in this life and in this thread, is What do we love more - the truth, or our cell phones/electronics?
However, the whole idea that the government has a secret plan to take over the world certainly belongs in the fringe area.
That's not the OP here, and that's not been the thrust of my posts here - although some would like to shift it to the fringe.
Let's keep this discussion to the facts of trackability of electronics devices.
I have, and I will, even as we struggle to Break free of our Electronic Toys.
From the OP:
We now rely on our cell phone like no other invention before....
...there is a countdown to watch for and personal logic has made some of you get up off that couch and start to prepare.
You don't quite know how to go about this because you've never done this before. What to take or leave behind? Surely you take the cell phone. How can you read all the data you've collected otherwise?...
CAN we “take the cell phone”? Do we NEED “all the data”?
You know that the government can track you thru this little device that you volunteer to carry around, but your chained to it just the same.
How do we get un-“chained” from it?
You may think you comprehend your governments limits, but don't realize that they have been preparing for this countdown a lot longer than the rest of us...we can now see that time is running short.
...Canada had put equipment in place to record 265,000 phone calls daily since the G8 summit took place....But this is nothing compared to what they can truly do....
With new super computers and surveillance systems, they can now monitor and watch for unusual patterns too. One such pattern might be if you and others were to go electronically dark for a time....Now you are all connected and flagged as attempting to evade surveillance.-Just a little insight to remind you that just "switching off" your cell doesn't exactly free you from it!
Better to “switch off” SOONER (i.e. NOW) than later...
I'll add more in this thread from time to time as to how to work around and better protect yourself while hanging onto your electronic toys.
It’s not certain that cell phones in particular can be maintained in a BO situation, while also maintaining OPSEC.
I do know that some of those who know they are being actively gamed will regularly meet for the express purpose of pooling their SIM cards and then randomly redistributing those cards among themselves...
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19/04/2014 7:42 pmI heard it would be easy to shut down the NSA. You simply overwhelm them.
It takes months to break one encrypted message. If each one of us sent just one encrypted e-mail per month filled with gibberish they would have to forget about domestic surveillance as too costly and time consuming.
Topic starter 19/04/2014 8:25 pmMy reliance on the cell is limited as my location imposes many restrictions due to lack of towers. We only got cell service about 8 years back and most of us note the 10 mile dead zones between each tower. They are high and can read each other but were in the Canadian Shield(all rock), so signals are poor at best of times. Big brother couldn't triangulate but GPS could still give you up.
My point though is I still rely on data because I don't wish to pack around alot of books. Pulling the battery is still a solve-all option even on a cell. The Nook is my backup to SHTF only. Big Brother likely has more interests than me out in the boonies! But if I hear a drone coming, I'll trap a wolf and tie my electronics to its neck immediately.... 😆 (saw that on the teli)! The real issue is what will folks do if they couldn't use their electronic toys daily(as in a power outage) without some sort of compromise. Do we break completely free or are there means of securing our communications so that your not being compromised.
So now I go back to having to work with what I know is fact, as considering "all possibilities" would likely lead to doing nothing at all. I've heard the Bigfoot show claim that there are bigfoot sighting in my area but no one seems to know the fella whose film they present on their show. Yet this is a small community where gossip often travels faster than any other mode of travel known to man! Wolves will play with ya(in a bad way), bears are everywhere here, but moose are the most dangerous thing out here(during rut only)!
Meanwhile, I'll add further items to assist in my definition of "breaking free" in a bit!
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