Well gang, I’m just going to say this...

Nothing like a good pandemic to bring people together! There hasn’t been that many daily posts here on IPN in a long while!

Keep on sharing your perspective, local intel and best tips you have.

In the meanwhile, Keep Calm and Wash your Hands!

Here is some hard numbers. And its looking like a fatality rate right around 3.4 % The good news is the yellow line on the graph on the right. The growth in new cases in China has been arrested. Its flat lined and it will be interesting to see if it falls. Bad news is the growth out side China is just starting to ramp up. Other countries are going to have to get serious fast. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Well gang, I’m just going to say this...

Nothing like a good pandemic to bring people together! There hasn’t been that many daily posts here on IPN in a long while!

Keep on sharing your perspective, local intel and best tips you have.

In the meanwhile, Keep Calm and Wash your Hands!

While I agree with this, I am honestly concerned greatly that there are no new folks coming on and asking questions.. are you reading, are you lurking? That is all good but if you have questions please feel to ask..

AS for the preppers, I get it.. its a time where everyone is getting quiet..

Ps, Don't forget we do also have a lady's only area on the board and we have a couple different topics actively going on there at this time as well. So if you are a lady but leary to post on the big board, (but honestly the guys are great!)

UK 48% preppers and the "2019 C"

So I joined the UK based 48% preppers group to keep a eye on things over there a good while back.. its very interesting how many of them that stocked up for the "split" that are now thrilled to have the extra's at this time.

I find them more openly talking about things then I have seen some of the N.A. groups are.. The counties are not that far apart in what is happening, limited cases etc but they sure seem more aware in many ways then what I am seeing here..

Perhaps with what has happened in the past 48 hours that will change.

Here is some hard numbers. And its looking like a fatality rate right around 3.4 % The good news is the yellow line on the graph on the right. The growth in new cases in China has been arrested. Its flat lined and it will be interesting to see if it falls. Bad news is the growth out side China is just starting to ramp up. Other countries are going to have to get serious fast. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I never believed China’s numbers and even less now.
As to our number, well unless your tested and tested positive, your not on the list. A sort of logical approach but one that is most assuredly misleading.
But here we are just the same, trying to figure it out with what we have available. Till then, prep on and keep eyes and ears open

Actually Clarence, I work in heating/ AC and can say with authority that in the past I have been mandated to work as an essential service during something as minor as a union strike. Seems govt employees don’t handle any discomfort well and that takes priority. Lol.

Plenty of us will be forced to work, proper gear or not.
Just not me.... lol.

I missed your last statement. “Just NOT me”
Can’t blame you, and guessing there could be a great deal of that.

Let’s face it, if a company... doesn’t give a fig about you ( no I am not some communist...) why would a person risk their life and those who they love at home so an order can be placed, a building heated... of course there is a degree of professionalism we all carry, but how many in your typical office... environment would risk life for a corporation where the execs are teleworking? You go to work and don’t see bob, Mary or harry in the managers or VP office and you go “ha” I get it... I think I don’t feel well, ta ta

Co pansies or governments can not force you to work in dangerous conditions ( military excepted) pressure one, yes. Be it direct or simple peer pressure. Heavily unionized vocations are an obvious one where one can expect people staying home with no job impact. Gov is another. Private sector will have a harder time telling the boss they are sick beyond the one or two week time frame.

If it hits hard, it sure will be an exercise in social engineering and how well people and governments today are equipped to handle things

Here is some hard numbers. And its looking like a fatality rate right around 3.4 % The good news is the orange line on the graph on the right. The growth in new cases in China has been arrested. Its flat lined and it will be interesting to see if it falls. Bad news is the growth out side China is just starting to ramp up. Other countries are going to have to get serious fast. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I originally said yellow line, I meant orange line on graph

Here’s an interesting tweet from the US. Now, I am not claiming her number are real or fully vetted... they “sound” somewhat plausible.
https://mobile.twitter.com/lizspecht/status/1236095180459003909

MAKE a sure you open her full thread!

Now one fun note was the 60 some odd occupancy of hospital beds. Can’t speak to alberts, Newfoundland... but our dear nations capital region runs at something like 98-140%. Civic/ decent sized hospital had no room at the inn and was diverting to ottawa general. Huge screwup with ambulances as well. This on a normal all is well in our ever so fantastic healthcare system.

Here’s a challenge for folks in medical fields. They yammer about ventilators being ready to handle the cases. During Sars, the queensway Carleton hospital didn’t even have a ventilator! This being, hospital that serves central and west side of nations capital. So I wonder how many we actually have in our hospitals!?????

Of course, you need sterile rooms, ICU rooms with other machines that go “ping”, etc.

Now here’s a fun thing to ponder. If you have a family member in the hospital and they are sadly, just waiting to pass, will people get the call to come get them and bring back home to pass? Sounds crass and please, I mean no il when I mention it, but it’s bound to happen in a bed shortage. What will people do if one does need to pick mom,dad, a loved aunt up and bring home? Even if they do stay, I doubt you will be allowed to visit? What’s the impact on jobs when you need to stay home for mom...if your mission critical, who will place those orders, do the programming needed for payroll system ( imagine Phoenix payroll system without people fiddling with it LOL, public servants know of what I speak) or fix that rooftop chiller?

I liked her numbers on quantity of masks needed. I be,I’ve I pointed out the ridiculous bragging done by NYC mayor big bird on his 1.5 million masks. Utter farce when you do the math on who and how many will be needed by each employee, each day !
Cleaning staff alone will chew through, what, five or ten a day? Can get hot wearing one and washing the floors and walls! What about kitchen folks in a big hospital! All union jobs and with health committees!

In the end, it’s a numbers game and not whether we can handle it, I don’t for a second believe we can in any organized fashion that people are believing or envisioning.

Wonder what the status will be in one to two weeks, “reported” case seem to be increasing nicely

Wonder what university and school kids will do on spring break, sit at home and watch “friends” or hang out at malls, bars....

Sounds panicky... but I am merely outplaying a fraction of what would be involved in a half serious outbreak. Maybe I am wrong.

The numbers... let’s hope containment and social distancing catch on

Here’s something that may hit many of us older farts

One of the meds to treat has been a supply issue for sometime

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/coronavirus-doctor-says-high-blood-pressure-a-major-death-risk-1.1583772143148

A couple of fun things
So they have now dispatched the national guard! Let’s, please not go down the path of anti American statements about guns and all that. Let’s keep it calm and logical.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-adds-5-new-covid-19-cases-tri-state-total-more-than-triples-in-days/2319688/

It’s my belief that this is normal and frankly we should actually have triage tents/ structures set up right now outside our main hospitals. Why the heck not! Keep those with a common flu symptom, cold... away from emergency department. Everyone in doubt gets swabbed, told it’s all good Bob or Mary, looks like the flu, stay home, blah blah blah.. no harm, no fouls in any of that. If however, Freddy does look a bit wonky, at least he isn’t in an emergency room with maybe FIFTY other people and hospital staff, using the public washrooms, paying his parking ticket...........

Here’s another one. Way back when,I posted about the mayor of NYC bragging about having 1.5 million masks and an order for 300,000 more. I said if they have 100,000 employees, that lasts them only 15 days. Now and this is real fun, everyone thinks o e mask per person. Well it’s more like four(4) masks per person, per eight hour shift. They need to drink, eat.....and each time the mask, GLOVES, and GOGGLES come off, they need to be swapped for new ones! Also, think about the need to keep these people healthy. Would it not be a wise move to give them masks, gloves and goggle to wear to and from home, shopping..... they get sick, who takes care of you, mom, dad, daughter...? Sure as hell won’t be the dingalings telling people to simply wash their hands. Hell no, so NYC’s 1.5 million masks, sounds like a lot but they would be gone in maybe a day or so. Something tells me they don’t have 1.5 million goggles either!

A main hospital in Cyprus shut down due to a surgeon being hit with it.

Do we have enough high end ventilators to handle even a very conservative infection rate and for the high risk age or medical bracket this thing appears to effect the most? Not regular ventilators that are in ICU’s right now but the ones needed to handle severe cases? Ask a doctor in your hospital how many they have?

Do not wish to sound like chicken little here, simply asking or highlight some pretty obvious questions and current situations that do speak to how ill prepared we are with physical preparations and for the all powerful mental ones we “may” increasingly be faced with.

I have always worked on the proactive and honest model being the optimal approach. I would tell clients here is where you are, here are known issues, your interdependencies, your staff issues, your external support mechanisms..., here are some options to help mitigate your vulnerability and if you do not need them, many, if not all of your countermeasures can be used moving forward. Clients never came close to needing 25% of common sense precautions. Money and the always present happy talk people get in the way. Yet, with the exception of very few, all the clients I knew, did suffer from an absence of my recommended countermeasures. Life’s a “B” and then you get robbed, swindled, raped or die.

It is hard to guess what may occur and if one over reacts, one is laughed at, so this causes people to not put their neck out on the line. Even though the stern of the boat is under water, people are still in the hope the decent will cease and still afraid to yell abandon ship.

I don’t believe it’s time to look at that remote cottage ( I don’t have one) but for those who have geared up with that as their primary safe spot, it may not be to far off in the future. I do t think I would not want to be in the city in four weeks from now. Imagine the folks in Italy or now, new Rochelle! They sure as hell would have laughed at you telling them what today looks like, a mere two weeks ago! Am I exaggerating?

That’s it baby, and this is in Italy, financial and fashion centres!!! They have equal or some may even say superior health care then us. Point being, Italy isn’t Nigeria. They have freedom of movement (had), could travel as and when they pleased. For me, I have looked at all or most of the issues that would likely impact me. Right now I am in a holding pattern. No where for me to go, so what I have and will have from the garden in the fall will be what I have.

From this point forward, it’s Going to get real interesting, real fast

Hello everyone! Haven't been onto the site in some time as I'm a very busy uni student these days. I'm abroad at Newcastle University in England and watching things carefully. There's been a few cases in the area, and reports of some students in halls self-isolating. There are 3 universities in the area: Newcastle, Northumbria, and Durham, and Northumbria and Durham announced they're closing classrooms and moving to distance/online. Newcastle has yet to officially do this, but the rumor going around is that there will be an announcement very soon about the same.
I'm of course a bit concerned as the majority of my prepping things are back in Canada. Went out today to stock up on some canned and dry goods as panic buying as already been reported locally (mostly of TP, hand sanitizer, and pasta because that's what keeps uni students alive). Being on a verrrry slim uni budget I haven't been able to keep much of a pantry but needs must. I will likely try and go out again to grab some other odds and ends again too. Although I do right now have quality tap water atm, I did bring along a lifestraw as I had hoped to do some travelling this spring break (Not anymore!). The lifestraw filters down to 0.2 microns, and COVID-19 is 0.5-0.2 microns, but if there is a major disturbance in local water it will still be useful.
Given the US travel ban I'm currently on alert as to if there will be a Canadian one. The UK is not currently banned from either but that also might change as there has been community transmission here. I'm in a massive bind as my passport was lost on my most recent flight here and I'm in the process of replacement, so the only way I could feasibly get home is if the Canadian government evacuated citizens.

Hello everyone! Haven't been onto the site in some time as I'm a very busy uni student these days. I'm abroad at Newcastle University in England and watching things carefully. There's been a few cases in the area, and reports of some students in halls self-isolating. There are 3 universities in the area: Newcastle, Northumbria, and Durham, and Northumbria and Durham announced they're closing classrooms and moving to distance/online. Newcastle has yet to officially do this, but the rumor going around is that there will be an announcement very soon about the same.
I'm of course a bit concerned as the majority of my prepping things are back in Canada. Went out today to stock up on some canned and dry goods as panic buying as already been reported locally (mostly of TP, hand sanitizer, and pasta because that's what keeps uni students alive). Being on a verrrry slim uni budget I haven't been able to keep much of a pantry but needs must. I will likely try and go out again to grab some other odds and ends again too. Although I do right now have quality tap water atm, I did bring along a lifestraw as I had hoped to do some travelling this spring break (Not anymore!). The lifestraw filters down to 0.2 microns, and COVID-19 is 0.5-0.2 microns, but if there is a major disturbance in local water it will still be useful.
Given the US travel ban I'm currently on alert as to if there will be a Canadian one. The UK is not currently banned from either but that also might change as there has been community transmission here. I'm in a massive bind as my passport was lost on my most recent flight here and I'm in the process of replacement, so the only way I could feasibly get home is if the Canadian government evacuated citizens.

I cant think of anything worse than loosing a passport abroad, good luck with that.

Thanks for the overview, that is all very concerning.. I truly hope that you get the passport sorted out very soon! Keep us posted and I hope you where able to get a few things put up food wise.

We had a trip planned to the UK for the end of March. We knew awhile ago that it was becoming unlikely we would go. Cancelled it on Monday. Hope you get your passport sorted asap.