Should such a thing come to pass it is answering to a higher morality to subversively disobey and share seed and never submit .

How can they stop us from saving seeds ? Are they going to ask for my proof of purchased
seeds when they come to inspect my back yard ?
Unless they remove / ban heirloom seeds and only allow hybrid seeds which don't come
true when saved.

I have to wonder who complained about us saving seeds in the first place.

I need to dig into this more, but this was brought up at a seminar I was at locally, and they explained it at that time, that it was there understanding that it was not about garden seeds, or the "common" folks saving seeds but it was about large scale farmers that save back their own seed from year to year..

Like I said, I need to do more research, maybe something in the bill has changed, now I happen to know a number of folks local to me that do in fact save their own seed and they are in the process of registering to be able to have their own seed "registered and checked?" so that they can continue to do so.. according to them, its not that they can't save their seed, it just means more paperwork and headache's, again only what I am being told.

I will email them and see if they have heard anything different in the last bit.. some of them are very active on the Ontario farm groups and boards..

Yes , please when you get all the details let us know. Thankyou

Ok, I had time to go read the link in detail and in truth it matches with the information from both sources, Canada signed on to a international agreement, all patented seeds are protected, farmers can save seed, if they jump though the hoops and filled the correct paperwork, seeds can be tested at the cleaning centers to confirm that parented grains are not being grown without the correct paperwork.

No where in the above link are garden seeds or veggies or soft fruits are talked about.. its related to GMO crops and company controlled seeds currently on the market or in the future market..

Now having said that, I still think its a good idea to write and make your voice heard, and for sure making sure that heritage seed growers (which are not given to patents at this time) stay that way..

Happy Seedy Saturday....

This is already the case in the US.

I wonder what happens to those farmers that have cross contaminated crops from patented product....Not fair... Our right to food, and our right to safe food, is slowly being taken away by corporations. Yippee....

There comes a time when the rules become overly stupid and you have to say no.
Catch me if you can.

Wow this kind of thing really angers me. Just like the illegality of raw milk. That the government, under the control of corporations, thinks it has the right to tall me what I can and cannot eat and feed my family and what I can do with the food and seeds I grow on my property is ludicrous at best. I did sign a petition against this bill at Seedy Sat. I will have to do more research on the subject and find out what else I can do. It seems to me that, like with gun registry, not only will they be able to "protect the patent" of seeds, but they will also have a registry of who has what seeds. Wouldn't that be useful in tough times? Isn't that basically having a nationwide seed bank spread across the farms and homes of Canada that they can easily be confiscated by the government when they see fit?

If we follow in the footsteps of different EU countries, then yes, at some point and time, this will be expanded to garden seeds that are collected for resale, but at least so far, to the best of my knowledge this only applies to large scale farmers, unless you are growing enough grain that you are going to be using a feed mill, its moot as you are "outside the main stream" same as the heritage grains that don't have any company "owning" them, you can still buy them, grow them, and harvest and use them on small scale.

They already have a registry on who has what currently, you can't have a contract for your grains without having that already in place, what they are "tightening the screws on" is the inspections both on the saved at the farm and at the grain inspection centers..

For the large scale garden seed producers, again, this is already in place, they are business's and as such, they are registered, they are on the list.. as is what they can and can't sell..

The current grey area is in regards to home seed savers that do free swaps, the many many plant free cycles groups spread across the country, the thousands of church plant sales etc.. I think that we would need to see a major change in our standard of living before we could/would see those kinds of things looked at and or effected

I'm new here and this is my first post but I sought out forums like this because of this seed issue and I am angered too!

Our Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms states that freedom of belief and opinion are a FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOM and it's my belief and opinion that we have the right to pursue the gaining of a lvieliihood, whether it be by seeding our own gardens or drinking our own milk!!

C-18 must be stopped!!

I am not much of a gardener, but see the regulating of seed as the same as any other regulation. They are applying restrictions for their own purposes, not yours. The obvious answer is because they want everyone to only possess modified seed in the future. That gives those in power more control. They will not sway from this path for you or others, just change their approach at best. By proclaiming you possess heritage seeds, you are simply making it easier for them to find and destroy them.

I would say it's best to collect as many as possible and distribute them in as large a quantity as possible to preserve their existence in this messed up society. In that way when they grab your supply, others will simply hand you their excess in your time of need. May we be so sharing with other items during those times!

They can legalize dope despite whether or not I want it. They have made it illegal to buy raw food, as someone else mentioned. I'll be damned if they are going to tell me I can't save seed. Seed savers shall become the new marijuana grow ops?

This shouldn't even apply to larger farms. If that farmer is saving seed to use for future use, he's obviously not on the Monsanto/Syngenta train. They are his, and it's his plain friggin' right on how he wants to use them.

This just screams to me Monsanto market protection racket to me.

Sadly, the public won't do a damn thing against this. They are more interested in subsidized GMO corn products that are cheap in the grocery store (despite being bad for their health) then they are paying the real cost for the food they consume.

They can legalize dope despite whether or not I want it. They have made it illegal to buy raw food, as someone else mentioned. I'll be damned if they are going to tell me I can't save seed. Seed savers shall become the new marijuana grow ops?

There you go, dusting off ol' brain cells in my head again. Made me look for this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr3TkOGgeJY