As I am looking at getting my PAL for non restricted & restricted firearms, I was wondering if anyone here had experience with the application process. When you apply, you have to state why you want to purchase guns. For the non restricted, the answer is easy...hunting. However I have been told that home protection for the restricted is not a good idea and that I should state target practice at a gun club. Has anyone gone through the process recently and what answers worked for you?
I'm told when you own a hand gun they are pretty picky, in fact I have family that got rid of their hand guns because they got tired of jumpng through hoops just to do anything with it.
On the application tell them your joining your local gun club and want to acquire a hand gun for Target practice. The laws where I am pretty much state that a Gun Club is the only place you can use a hand gun, and if you jump through all the hoops you can transport your restricted firearm from your home to the gun club and back again, but thats about it, it can't even be used for hunting.
Good luck with your application.
I'm taking the Restricted Course when it comes up again here in a few months (I've already spoke to the instructor), so my own application will likely be submitted in the new year.
DaScribbler
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One thing that I've heard, and was wondering if it was true, is that if you own a properly registered gun the RCMP can enter your home at any time without cause to search it and check that your weapon is secured as the law demands.
Do you know if this is true?
Seems to me that I heard something about that...I will try to confirm that for us all.
One thing that I've heard, and was wondering if it was true, is that if you own a properly registered gun the RCMP can enter your home at any time without cause to search it and check that your weapon is secured as the law demands.
Do you know if this is true?
Negative.
The RCMP can show up at your door and ask to see or to search for your weapons, you can say "No, Sorry I'm just on my way to work. How about Tuesday at 3 p.m.?"
They can show up at any time and make an appointment with you to inspect your weapons, yes. But they cannot show up and just enter your home to check your weapons. To do this they MUST have an actual Court Issued Warrent, which means they must go before a Judge before hand and show just cause, then a Judge must approve and issue a warrent.
No worries. No one will be entering your home without permission from you or the courts.
DaScribbler
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I thought I heard that this was also on PROHIBITED firearms, such as a collector might have but not on restricted firearms.
One thing that I've heard, and was wondering if it was true, is that if you own a properly registered gun the RCMP can enter your home at any time without cause to search it and check that your weapon is secured as the law demands.
Do you know if this is true?
Negative.
The RCMP can show up at your door and ask to see or to search for your weapons, you can say "No, Sorry I'm just on my way to work. How about Tuesday at 3 p.m.?"
They can show up at any time and make an appointment with you to inspect your weapons, yes. But they cannot show up and just enter your home to check your weapons. To do this they MUST have an actual Court Issued Warrent, which means they must go before a Judge before hand and show just cause, then a Judge must approve and issue a warrent.
No worries. No one will be entering your home without permission from you or the courts.
The Waterloo toy gun drawn by a 4 year old dispells that myth. They did go into the home and search it for firearms. They found a plastic toy gun. Police in Canada are paranoid about firearms ownership. Lukily this type of Gastapo tactics is backfiring on the cops and anti-gun extremists. The end of the long gun registry is a good first step.
As I am looking at getting my PAL for non restricted & restricted firearms, I was wondering if anyone here had experience with the application process. When you apply, you have to state why you want to purchase guns. For the non restricted, the answer is easy...hunting. However I have been told that home protection for the restricted is not a good idea and that I should state target practice at a gun club. Has anyone gone through the process recently and what answers worked for you?
I got my PAL two years ago for non-restricted. I bought 4 rifles since. I joined the Ontario Rifle Association and a local gun club near St. Thomas, and have gotten hooked on CQB events. These are close quarter shooting events where you have to get a number of rounds on target within a few seconds. It's hard, but fun. Two of my grown children have joined me.
Here is the vids of two last fall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzBxWJxgynw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9rvLTtokEg
I took my RPAL course in Jan and waiting for my licence. I have already put a down payment on a Cz85 handgun. I plan on getting a Norinco M4 (restricted). I currently have a Rem 700, an AIA No4 Enfield, Norinco M14, and a Cz858 (nice carbine!!! You can see it in the vids)
So from a prepper point of view, one needs to practice, practice and practice (I fired off some 2000 rounds last year) and keep a stockpile of ammo. Different firearms would need to be purchaced for different circumstances. Long range hunting/precision (300-1000m, the Rem 700), medium range (300-500m, the M14), and close range (<200m, the Cz858) and personal (handgun).
Don't worry about the hoops and backlash from antis. Get your licences, best to have the firearms and never need them, than...
That looks like a ton of fun JR.
Our range is indoor and the rifle stuff is a little more tame.
Denob: NEVER say home defense for ANY firearm. You'll be denied. Target practice is the way to go. Choose your references carefully, they almost certainly will be contacted if you're looking for an R-PAL. Have a gun club picked out and know a few things about it, how long it will take to join etc. Each club will have it's own safety course to take.
The Waterloo toy gun drawn by a 4 year old dispells that myth. They did go into the home and search it for firearms.
That guy had been charged before with things like B+E. He was probably not allowed to own any gun. If the police want to inspect your gun storage they need to make an appointment (don't invite them in) but in that case you're already legally owning guns.
I thought it was relatively easy to get my restricted and to own a restricted firearm. I applied and got a transport license which is good until 2015 just to and from the range. Which is the only place I can take it anyways but at least I can go whenever I want. And hey if the Police want to come see how I store my firearms I have nothing to hide and I'm quite legal in every way.
The police can enter your house at anytime with out a warrant if they feel they have probable cause. If they ask to enter and you deny them and they feel you are being shifty they absolutely have the right to enter or detain you until a senior officer can make a decision to enter or not. It is part of owning a restricted fire arm. I have a few buddies that re RC's and that is what they told me about it. best thing to do is be accommodating or they can apply to have your restricted lic pulled.
The police can enter your house at anytime with out a warrant if they feel they have probable cause. If they ask to enter and you deny them and they feel you are being shifty they absolutely have the right to enter or detain you until a senior officer can make a decision to enter or not. It is part of owning a restricted fire arm. I have a few buddies that re RC's and that is what they told me about it. best thing to do is be accommodating or they can apply to have your restricted lic pulled.
One of many things those of us on the Canadian Gunnutz Forum are trying to correct. We have a nice list of demands.
As I am looking at getting my PAL for non restricted & restricted firearms, I was wondering if anyone here had experience with the application process. When you apply, you have to state why you want to purchase guns. For the non restricted, the answer is easy...hunting. However I have been told that home protection for the restricted is not a good idea and that I should state target practice at a gun club. Has anyone gone through the process recently and what answers worked for you?
Getting your P.A.L. is quite easy... Take the course and right both exams, both exams are basically the same other then a few hand gun questions on the restricted test...It takes about 60/70 days to get it after you right your exams....
Your reason for a long gun is a no brain-er and a practical one....as far as the hand gun, you are correct[ DO NOT SAY FOR HOME DEFENCE]...A good reason is this...Tell them you saw a I.P.S.C...[ ip-sic]. match and became very interested...INTERNATINAL PRACTICAL SHOOTING ASSCOTIATION..google it so you understand what it is. thats the best reson I can give you to tell them..My wife and i both compete and it is a blast...Also go get some proper training after you get your hand gun and long gun...Just because you have them doesn't mean you know how to shoot it especially an automatic you need training to use these things effectively...
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=1&oq=glock&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBCA419CA420&q=glock+17&gs_upl=0l0l0l3322lllllllllll0&aqi=g4&pbx=1 ...[ MY GUN....] cant get the SIG 226 hand gun site to load up just google sig 226 it is the gun Canadian and U.S.forces use ....[WIFES GUN]...best two automatic hand guns ever made......Here is an I.P.S.C SITE..... http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBCA419CA420&q=i.p.s.c...Thats about all the info i can give you any thing else just e.mail me at ...jfgaub@hotmail.ca....
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
One thing that I've heard, and was wondering if it was true, is that if you own a properly registered gun the RCMP can enter your home at any time without cause to search it and check that your weapon is secured as the law demands.
Do you know if this is true?
Yes they can and will, this is more likely to happen in Ontario and or Quebec, in the west the mounties and other police forces don't or wont unless they have a cause too..Such as; you made a verbal threat to someone and they make a complaint the cops then check your name and see you are a registered gun owner, they will and most likely take your guns until the situation is solved...if you are charged good by guns and licence...
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
One thing that I've heard, and was wondering if it was true, is that if you own a properly registered gun the RCMP can enter your home at any time without cause to search it and check that your weapon is secured as the law demands.
Do you know if this is true?
Yes they can and will, this is more likely to happen in Ontario and or Quebec, in the west the mounties and other police forces don't or wont unless they have a cause too..Such as; you made a verbal threat to someone and they make a complaint the cops then check your name and see you are a registered gun owner, they will and most likely take your guns until the situation is solved...if you are charged good by guns and licence...
I should clarify the last statement ,if they have probable cause, so if someone makes a complaint such as improper storage or you threaten someone in any manner......this applies for all provinces...The O.P.P..and Quebec police will come and check on your storage facilities...as i said...[ and not picking on the east]. in the western provinces they are less inclined to do this unless they have cause too..if they do come and check, and unless you are blatantly negligent they will just suggest some changes......you need a trigger lock. a locked gun case and a locked solid door to properly secure a[ RESTRICTED] weapon with out getting in hack with the police....and your ammo locked up in a seperate box from the gun but can be behind the same locked door.....
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...