The Sig 226 is used by Canadian military police. For the most part, the Canadian Forces uses the Browning Hi-Power, most of which are older than me (mid fifties). I heard a lot of soldiers complain about it. However, every one that I was issued I immediately took to the armourer and had him tighten the slide. After that I always found them to be very accurate and reliable with proper maintenance.
Nowadays I own a CZ85. It is perhaps one of the nicest handguns that I've ever used and I've used quite a few. At work we have a wide variety of handguns for our range. The CZ we have is the only one we've never had any issues with. Sigs are not among the guns we have on the range but I've used them and as far as I'm concerned they are about the best you can get. For accuracy and reliability I would put the CZs in the same class as Sig Sauer, at about half the price.
For the record, the handguns we have the most problems with are the Glocks and the Berettas. I wouldn't own either one if you gave it to me as a gift. In 1911 models chambered for .45 ACP, I like Springfield Armouries or Smith and Wesson. The only problem with the S&W is parts. The last S&W I owned needed a couple of parts replaced, after looking all over Canada for four and a half years, I gave up and gave the gun away. For that reason only, I wouldn't buy a S&W, otherwise they're a great gun.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
The Sig 226 is used by Canadian military police. For the most part, the Canadian Forces uses the Browning Hi-Power, most of which are older than me (mid fifties). I heard a lot of soldiers complain about it. However, every one that I was issued I immediately took to the armourer and had him tighten the slide. After that I always found them to be very accurate and reliable with proper maintenance.
Nowadays I own a CZ85. It is perhaps one of the nicest handguns that I've ever used and I've used quite a few. At work we have a wide variety of handguns for our range. The CZ we have is the only one we've never had any issues with. Sigs are not among the guns we have on the range but I've used them and as far as I'm concerned they are about the best you can get. For accuracy and reliability I would put the CZs in the same class as Sig Sauer, at about half the price.
For the record, the handguns we have the most problems with are the Glocks and the Berettas. I wouldn't own either one if you gave it to me as a gift. In 1911 models chambered for .45 ACP, I like Springfield Armouries or Smith and Wesson. The only problem with the S&W is parts. The last S&W I owned needed a couple of parts replaced, after looking all over Canada for four and a half years, I gave up and gave the gun away. For that reason only, I wouldn't buy a S&W, otherwise they're a great gun.
I really cant imagine what you would be doing to have trouble with a clock..go drop your springs and smiths in a pail of mud along side of a clock and see which one will go bang and empty the mag with out jamming sure as hell wont be a smith of spring field.....the Sig are used by the forces now they haven't used the browning for years they switched when the U.S switched from beretta to Sig's....CZ.S are fine if you can keep them clean and well oiled...I am talking durability and problem free do you think there is a reason why every major police force uses a clock...and why they are nicknamed the AK'S of hand guns indestructible....I am guessing you don't like polymer guns....but thats ok you have your 1911's and what ever else you use I will stay with my clock and besides this was just a post to help dude out he or she can make up there own minds.....Have a nice day...
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
The Sig 226 is used by Canadian military police. For the most part, the Canadian Forces uses the Browning Hi-Power, most of which are older than me (mid fifties). I heard a lot of soldiers complain about it. However, every one that I was issued I immediately took to the armourer and had him tighten the slide. After that I always found them to be very accurate and reliable with proper maintenance.
Nowadays I own a CZ85. It is perhaps one of the nicest handguns that I've ever used and I've used quite a few. At work we have a wide variety of handguns for our range. The CZ we have is the only one we've never had any issues with. Sigs are not among the guns we have on the range but I've used them and as far as I'm concerned they are about the best you can get. For accuracy and reliability I would put the CZs in the same class as Sig Sauer, at about half the price.
For the record, the handguns we have the most problems with are the Glocks and the Berettas. I wouldn't own either one if you gave it to me as a gift. In 1911 models chambered for .45 ACP, I like Springfield Armouries or Smith and Wesson. The only problem with the S&W is parts. The last S&W I owned needed a couple of parts replaced, after looking all over Canada for four and a half years, I gave up and gave the gun away. For that reason only, I wouldn't buy a S&W, otherwise they're a great gun.
I have a Cz85 on hold for me for when my RPAL arrives. I had thought about a Beretta P92, I think it was, but extra mags are $100 each, while the Cz mags are $50 each, and since I needed at least six mags for our competition shoots, the price for the Cz over all was lower. It's a much better handgun from what Ive read. I already own a Cz858, and even my 26 year old daughter loves to shoot it and wants one for her self.
I am holding out for Norinco to make a legal Luger. I understand they did make them for the EU market (google it). I have Norinco's M14, it shoots like a dream. No issues. Thinking of getting their M4 ($650).
GunNutz has also been tracking brand new M1 Garands which were in storage in South Korea since the 1950's, some 60,000 of them. Most never fired. They will be making their way back to the US to be sold to the public. Fingers are crossed some will make it to Canada. Just for prosperity, I'd love to get one.
The Sig 226 is used by Canadian military police. For the most part, the Canadian Forces uses the Browning Hi-Power, most of which are older than me (mid fifties). I heard a lot of soldiers complain about it. However, every one that I was issued I immediately took to the armourer and had him tighten the slide. After that I always found them to be very accurate and reliable with proper maintenance.
Nowadays I own a CZ85. It is perhaps one of the nicest handguns that I've ever used and I've used quite a few. At work we have a wide variety of handguns for our range. The CZ we have is the only one we've never had any issues with. Sigs are not among the guns we have on the range but I've used them and as far as I'm concerned they are about the best you can get. For accuracy and reliability I would put the CZs in the same class as Sig Sauer, at about half the price.
For the record, the handguns we have the most problems with are the Glocks and the Berettas. I wouldn't own either one if you gave it to me as a gift. In 1911 models chambered for .45 ACP, I like Springfield Armouries or Smith and Wesson. The only problem with the S&W is parts. The last S&W I owned needed a couple of parts replaced, after looking all over Canada for four and a half years, I gave up and gave the gun away. For that reason only, I wouldn't buy a S&W, otherwise they're a great gun.I really cant imagine what you would be doing to have trouble with a clock..go drop your springs and smiths in a pail of mud along side of a clock and see which one will go bang and empty the mag with out jamming sure as hell wont be a smith of spring field.....the Sig are used by the forces now they haven't used the browning for years they switched when the U.S switched from beretta to Sig's....CZ.S are fine if you can keep them clean and well oiled...I am talking durability and problem free do you think there is a reason why every major police force uses a clock...and why they are nicknamed the AK'S of hand guns indestructible....I am guessing you don't like polymer guns....but thats ok you have your 1911's and what ever else you use I will stay with my clock and besides this was just a post to help dude out he or she can make up there own minds.....Have a nice day...
Funny, the three Canadian soldiers I talked to last night at the range told me that they are still using their Hi-Powers and that they had just been shooting them last week. As for the Glocks, we clean them quite often and still have troubles with them. Our two CZs haven't been cleaned in over a month and have had a couple thousand put through them with absolutely no problems. With the Glocks (particularly the .40 calibers) our resident gunsmith hasn't been able to resolve the problem of the mags constantly dropping in all three, or the parts that come loose while firing.
When the U.S. military first went to the Beretta it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, suddenly everyone had them, including police. Eventually, with extensive use, they were proven inferior. Besides being much more robust, the Sigs are more reliable.
During her competition days, the owner of our range was one of the top female shooters in North America, her son is a champion I.P.S.C. shooter and several of our range staff are competitive shooters. Not one of our staff cares to own a Glock. There are those out there who own and praise the Glock, just like there are those who praise the Sig or the CZ or the Smiths. If you find that a certain gun appeals to you, go for it. It's like argueing Chev, Ford or Dodge, the one you like is the one you should get. But you are right traveller, I don't like polymer guns, my prejudice.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
The Sig 226 is used by Canadian military police. For the most part, the Canadian Forces uses the Browning Hi-Power, most of which are older than me (mid fifties). I heard a lot of soldiers complain about it. However, every one that I was issued I immediately took to the armourer and had him tighten the slide. After that I always found them to be very accurate and reliable with proper maintenance.
Nowadays I own a CZ85. It is perhaps one of the nicest handguns that I've ever used and I've used quite a few. At work we have a wide variety of handguns for our range. The CZ we have is the only one we've never had any issues with. Sigs are not among the guns we have on the range but I've used them and as far as I'm concerned they are about the best you can get. For accuracy and reliability I would put the CZs in the same class as Sig Sauer, at about half the price.
For the record, the handguns we have the most problems with are the Glocks and the Berettas. I wouldn't own either one if you gave it to me as a gift. In 1911 models chambered for .45 ACP, I like Springfield Armouries or Smith and Wesson. The only problem with the S&W is parts. The last S&W I owned needed a couple of parts replaced, after looking all over Canada for four and a half years, I gave up and gave the gun away. For that reason only, I wouldn't buy a S&W, otherwise they're a great gun.I really cant imagine what you would be doing to have trouble with a clock..go drop your springs and smiths in a pail of mud along side of a clock and see which one will go bang and empty the mag with out jamming sure as hell wont be a smith of spring field.....the Sig are used by the forces now they haven't used the browning for years they switched when the U.S switched from beretta to Sig's....CZ.S are fine if you can keep them clean and well oiled...I am talking durability and problem free do you think there is a reason why every major police force uses a clock...and why they are nicknamed the AK'S of hand guns indestructible....I am guessing you don't like polymer guns....but that's OK you have your 1911's and what ever else you use I will stay with my clock and besides this was just a post to help dude out he or she can make up there own minds.....Have a nice day...
Funny, the three Canadian soldiers I talked to last night at the range told me that they are still using their Hi-Powers and that they had just been shooting them last week. As for the Glocks, we clean them quite often and still have troubles with them. Our two CZs haven't been cleaned in over a month and have had a couple thousand put through them with absolutely no problems. With the Glocks (particularly the .40 calibers) our resident gunsmith hasn't been able to resolve the problem of the mags constantly dropping in all three, or the parts that come loose while firing.
When the U.S. military first went to the Beretta it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, suddenly everyone had them, including police. Eventually, with extensive use, they were proven inferior. Besides being much more robust, the Sigs are more reliable.
During her competition days, the owner of our range was one of the top female shooters in North America, her son is a champion I.P.S.C. shooter and several of our range staff are competitive shooters. Not one of our staff cares to own a Glock. There are those out there who own and praise the Glock, just like there are those who praise the Sig or the CZ or the Smiths. If you find that a certain gun appeals to you, go for it. It's like argueing Chev, Ford or Dodge, the one you like is the one you should get. But you are right traveller, I don't like polymer guns, my prejudice.
So as I said, I made the post to help buddy out with his p.a.l..and what he may expect for a time line to get it, and gave my opinion on what i consider to be a good by for a hand gun.....what part of that did you not understand....giving your opinion fine but starting a pissing match is most annoying...And if the soldiers are carrying there high powers so be it i stand corrected....but may i suggested from now on give your opinion with out telling the other guy or gal they don't know what there talking about.....I don't live in the city don't shoot in the city..[ gun ranges ] my shooting is real world; real life, not the confines controlled atmosphere of a gun range.... i shoot where the weather and elements take affect....we have our own private licensed range for the pistols and hunt coyotes on a weekly basis...every body here has some thing to contribute, so add to it instead of craping on it....
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
Traveller, I didn't say that you don't know what you're talking about and I don't want to start a pissing contest. I just wanted to give my own reasons for my preferences. By the way, I've only been working at the range for a short while and most of my shooting has been real world (including combat in Afghanistan). I started shooting with my father at age 5 and have been doing it ever since, so I do have some experience (50 years). In that time, I've developed my likes and dislikes, polymer just happens to be one of them.
I apologize if you think I was trying to run you down, it wasn't my intent.
As for helping anyone with suggestions about the P.A.L. or R.P.A.L., I got mine in the 90s when the new system was in its infancy, so I didn't have the long wait for my licence to come in. I can't even pretend to know what's required now as mine was for life, so I'm not familier with todays wait times. If BB told me that I'd now have to renew, I'd be as lost as anyone else.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
Traveller, I didn't say that you don't know what you're talking about and I don't want to start a pissing contest. I just wanted to give my own reasons for my preferences. By the way, I've only been working at the range for a short while and most of my shooting has been real world (including combat in Afghanistan). I started shooting with my father at age 5 and have been doing it ever since, so I do have some experience (50 years). In that time, I've developed my likes and dislikes, polymer just happens to be one of them.
I apologize if you think I was trying to run you down, it wasn't my intent.
As for helping anyone with suggestions about the P.A.L. or R.P.A.L., I got mine in the 90s when the new system was in its infancy, so I didn't have the long wait for my licence to come in. I can't even pretend to know what's required now as mine was for life, so I'm not familier with todays wait times. If BB told me that I'd now have to renew, I'd be as lost as anyone else.
Ok, well said pissing match over,Have a great day and keep on prepping....
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
Ok, well said pissing match over,Have a great day and keep on prepping..
Perfect opportunity to say we all think we know what we'll do with handguns but preppers need rifles more.
A simple rimfire and shotgun at the minimum. If you're in wide open areas a .30 cal rifle for larger game.
Ok, well said pissing match over,Have a great day and keep on prepping..
Perfect opportunity to say we all think we know what we'll do with handguns but preppers need rifles more.
A simple rimfire and shotgun at the minimum. If you're in wide open areas a .30 cal rifle for larger game.
yes quite right . I personally would and have one that uses military caliber ammo....more likely able to scrounge for ammo..[7.62 x 54.308]...[7.62x39]...or [5.56 NATO, 223]..the makes that are non- restricted in these calibres are any hunting rifle chambered .308....ruger mini 30- and the Russian s.k.s. 7.62.39..ruger mini 14 .223 or xcr-l Robinson arms 5.56 NATO] you do not need a restricted p.a.l. for these long guns..just a few choices to help people out...remember 7.62x39 is eastern block military grade and NATO countrys use 5.56/223 a weapon chambered 5.56 will shoot .223 but a gun chambered .223 will only safely discharge .223....also suggest a .22 LR..very affective and easy to carry lots of ammo also have a 12 gauge with the capability of handling up to 3.5 inch shells but one with 2.3/4 inch will do fine...Just my preference's...
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
Honestly I don't think the .223 has enough stopping power to take down deer sized game, and it's overkill for small game.
.22 for small game. Shotgun for birds, with slugs for short range large game. These two can do just about everything out to 75 yards and would be the bare minimum.
Longer range - 30 cal is a solid one shot kill. 7.62 x 39 or 30-30 if your shots will be up to 150 yds, more for longer range, .308, 30-06, 7.62x54.
Unless you plan on firefights every week, anyone could have a many year supply for 3 guns for less than $500 or close to it.
If it came to it I'm not going to be firing 100 rounds of .308 every month for fun like I do now.
.22 2500 rounds $150
12 ga slugs 100 rounds $85
12ga #4 100 rounds $60
7.62x39 soft point 250 rounds $200 - surplus is way cheaper but it's FMJ
maybe a box or two of #6 shot
There's a reason why the .308 is still such a popular choice as a sniper rifle, it's accurate and effective.
A .223/5.56 allows you to carry a lot of ammo and is surprisingly accurate.
A shotgun, regardless of guage is very versatile.
Finally, there is not a big game animal in North America that hasn't been taken with the .22 (and I'm not suggesting you go out and try it).
I don't own an SKS but I like the fact that the bulk ammo comes in sealed tins.
My long guns
.300 Winchester magnum
12 guage pump with spare barrel
5.56/.223 rifle
.22 semi-auto
They cover all of my needs.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
Actually I meant for preppers in general who were getting the bare minimum of firearms. They don't need a sniper rifle, they don't need to carry a lot of ammo if you catch my drift.
I'm a CGN'er too and know the whole .22 debate, how far you gonna chase that damn deer anyway? It's inhumane.
Us fools who think there is no such thing as too many guns are a different breed of animal who think all gun safes must be full(so they don't rattle or something). Then we get another safe!!
I'll admit I don't have a .223. The last bunch of .308 I bought came 500 in each spam can.
Actually I meant for preppers in general who were getting the bare minimum of firearms. They don't need a sniper rifle, they don't need to carry a lot of ammo if you catch my drift.
I'm a CGN'er too and know the whole .22 debate, how far you gonna chase that damn deer anyway? It's inhumane.
Us fools who think there is no such thing as too many guns are a different breed of animal who think all gun safes must be full(so they don't rattle or something). Then we get another safe!!
I'll admit I don't have a .223. The last bunch of .308 I bought came 500 in each spam can.
I didn't mean to imply that the .308 is only good as a sniper round (though it is). The point I was trying to make, is that, the qualities that make it desirable to snipers, are the same qualities that make it good to use for big game. As for the .22 and big game, I would never recommend using the .22 for big game. Many years ago I took my first elk with a .22 but I was very close and I'm a very good marksman. Since then, whenever I look back, I shake my head at what a foolish decision that shot was and I wouldn't even consider doing it again except in a case of extreme desperation. No, the .22 is best left to small game.
I agree that having dozens of guns is pointless unless it's a hobby or you plan to supply your friends too. As a prepper, if you're just starting to get to guns, I would go for a .22 first and a shotgun next. Besides being relatively inexpensive, they could very well be your two most important guns for getting meat if TSHTF. I know that there are those who will disagree and have their own opinions. If you're new to guns, do your research, listen to the opinions of experienced people but make your own decision as to what is best for you.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
Ok, well said pissing match over,Have a great day and keep on prepping..
Perfect opportunity to say we all think we know what we'll do with handguns but preppers need rifles more.
A simple rimfire and shotgun at the minimum. If you're in wide open areas a .30 cal rifle for larger game.yes quite right . I personally would and have one that uses military caliber ammo....more likely able to scrounge for ammo..[7.62 x 54.308]...[7.62x39]...or [5.56 NATO, 223]..the makes that are non- restricted in these calibres are any hunting rifle chambered .308....ruger mini 30- and the Russian s.k.s. 7.62.39..ruger mini 14 .223 or xcr-l Robinson arms 5.56 NATO] you do not need a restricted p.a.l. for these long guns..just a few choices to help people out...remember 7.62x39 is eastern block military grade and NATO countrys use 5.56/223 a weapon chambered 5.56 will shoot .223 but a gun chambered .223 will only safely discharge .223....also suggest a .22 LR..very affective and easy to carry lots of ammo also have a 12 gauge with the capability of handling up to 3.5 inch shells but one with 2.3/4 inch will do fine...Just my preference's...
Mine:
Cz858 7.62x39
M14 7.62x51
AIA Enfield No4 7.62x51
Rem 700 7.62x51
Enfield No5 .303
Trying to keep the cals as few types as possible.
Oh, 9mm Cz85 coming.
Actually I meant for preppers in general who were getting the bare minimum of firearms. They don't need a sniper rifle, they don't need to carry a lot of ammo if you catch my drift.
I'm a CGN'er too and know the whole .22 debate, how far you gonna chase that damn deer anyway? It's inhumane.
Us fools who think there is no such thing as too many guns are a different breed of animal who think all gun safes must be full(so they don't rattle or something). Then we get another safe!!
I'll admit I don't have a .223. The last bunch of .308 I bought came 500 in each spam can.
The US military in Afghanistan found out their 223 M4s are outranged by Taliban using WWII Enfields. They are considering going back to 7.62 and why some US soldiers are using M14s there. The M14 is the last in the line of great battle rifles, that's why I bought one.