How viable do you think this would be to deter or damage an intruder? I'm not squeamish, so we can take that out of the equation. (Hopefully I don't offend any sensibilities with that personal assessment.)
Thanks in advance.
In my honest opinion. There is several answers to this, many of which are dangerous and are governed by each aspect of an event or situation.
On one hand you have a large intimidating bladed object, so for purpose you may not have to use it. The appearance alone is a deterrent.
On the other hand, it comes down to the mindset of the attacker and if he/she is in enough shock to not even acknowledge it's presence. Which then proposes the main issue with any weapon or tool, can you use the sword effectively. Given it's weight, for example, if you miss the combatant and need to quickly raise the sword before he/she closes the remaining distance and impacts you, do you have the strength and practice to do it?
My honest opinion, based off of a situation I've come across while training, is I had an over sized machete, sword cross breed weapon. Now, it is a novelty, I only use it when practicing and strengthening my wrist, but it is approx. 10 pounds as well. And let me tell you, sword to sword, a samurai sword or katana, would eat me up in combat. It could strike me two-to-four times by the time I've realized my miss or lack of contact and then told my brain to raise the sword back up in defense of my open torso, more importantly my face.
Again Its based off of the given situation. If the opposition is multiple people, I just don't believe, even with training, that such a weapon could be used to respond quickly enough for multiple repeated engagements if the target is solo and unarmed, why need the weapon? If he/she is armed, again, a lead pipe will out perform your sword and your response time between strike attempts.
NOW, if you're seeking some sort of distance, but do not wish to use a projectile, create or purchase a spear. If you become proficient enough it can also be a viable way of hunting. A spear puts approx. 5 to 8 feet between you and danger. As well, it can hide right behind any door or corner or closet that you can find in your home. Aslo if bugging out on foot, it can be used as a walking stick. The standard bamboo or wood spears are very easy to repair or even to create from scratch in the middle of no where.
I hope that is what you were askin with your question.
With regards to mr.mono, in all apects of his slander, he could be 100% correct in my fraudulent instructions, but atleast you are asking questions and letting yourself decipher truth from imagination. Because I can say anything I wish and if it doesn't add up to your commonsense, or hits red on your bullshit-meter, it is your choice wether to follow it or not.
So what I'm saying is thank you, and I appreciate the questions, I feel it as a form of support to my validity.
Thank you Aries.....that gives me a lot to mull over.....must think and will respond further tomorrow. 🙂
Here is my first hand experience in disaster scenarios...
There will be those that have not prepared who will try to steal what they need to survive...namely food.
First targets will be supermarkets, corner stores, etc...
Second targets will be abandoned homes, usually those of people who have bugged out or gone to shelters.
Lastly, VERY,VERY desperate people will begin to invade homes that are actually occupied, and even then they will wait for the occupants to leave.
These people are after food and supplies, NOT confrontation.
Want my 2 cents of advice?
Get a dog...a big dog.
Better yet, get 2.
Let people know that you are standing guard 24/7.
Invest in a small solar system that will run outdoor lights all night long.
Deter the potential threat and they will likely move to an easier target.
If you are in a situation where there are hoards of gangs roaming the streets invading homes and systematically raping, pillaging, and plundering then what the hell are you still doing there? I also plan to bug in for MOST situations, however, I also am ready to get the heck out of Dodge when need be. My wife and children are too important to me to play the macho man and stand off against impossible odds.
If you don't have a drivers permit...get one...then get a car...used, reliable, but something that can get you out of harms way.
If you don't have a place planned to go to...get that also. An out of town friend, relative, etc...
This is called prepping and should be as important to you as food and water.
Stop worrying so much about how to fight off gangs and start getting ready to not be there when they come.
I think too many people imagine an immediate degradation of society into something resembling Mad Max or maybe even scene from I Am Legend.
Please don't encourage Aries to give any more advice. He is looking for validity of his childish fantasies, and more interested in feeling like a big shot than giving or getting practical advice. Everything he says goes against all modern training and current defensive theory being taught to military, police and contractors. Buy a few books or training videos from some of the more reputable training schools in the US (a few now in Canada as well) and talk with real police officers, not mallninjas who claim they are on the internet. Everything he says is practically all dangerously dead wrong. You really have to sift through it to find something that is not wrong, just dangerously distorted. He is a liability to this forum in every way except that he provides an opportunity for other to learn from his childish opinions, and the dangers of mallninjas.
In this latest post he talks about
On one hand you have a large intimidating bladed object, so for purpose you may not have to use it. The appearance alone is a deterrent
This is a deadly mistake according all reputable training. Never count on deterrence. An attacker may be deterred, or they may not. It is best discounted because your actions must be based on the assumption that they won't be deterred, and you attempt not only reveals your defensive measures, but gives the attacker precious time to think of a response. Think about it, anyone breaking into your house is already prepared to deal with whom they may find inside. Their prepared response may be to bolt, as many home invasion are really smash and grabs, or where they just try doors and steal the first valuable thing you have that they see and run. More hardened criminals, or desperate addicts have already prepared to deal with meeting the occupants or are batshit crazy. If they weren't looking for a confrontation, they would have either bolted once they figured out they wern't alone or they would have scoped the place out to get in when it is empty. If you are dealing with an intruder, then you can likely discount everything except someone who prepared to meet you. There is always the offchance someone may see an armed response and run, but it is dangerous to even count on it. Hope is not a valid path forward. Really if circumstances were different, would you break into a home unprepared to deal with the occupants you may find?
In normal times, smart people make do with making a living legitimately, so the only ones committing these crimes are stupid thugs who can't get their shit together. If SHTF, count on smarter folks, smarter than you having to do desperate things. In a desperate situation don't expect smart people to be so easily intimidated. They probably came into your house expecting to have to deal with you or at least desperate enough to not care about the repercussions of walking into someone's home.
On the subject of knife fighting: A blade is a valuable tool for practical purposes and even self defense. Not for any fear or deterrent, but for your ability to stop an attack in self defense quickly. But you need to train and cultivate a mindset to use it. Most people would not be able to slaghter a live pig with a knfe (thankfully,) now think of how hard it would be to bering yourself to do it to a human...that fights back. When you present an attacker with a knife as a means of self defense, this is an escalation of the situation. If the attacker had a ace up their sleave, now is when they would pull it. Maybe they just peg you for being anwkward or hesitant or reluctant and decide to attack you anyways. Maybe they pull a gun. You don't know, you can't know until the time comes. You are better off not giving any would be attacker the time to react to your defense. "Walk softly and carry a big stick". Look at prison shankings. Lots and lots of documentaries and police cases in the papers. Brutally fast and vicious with a few lightening fast lethal strikes. Clumsy but they make up for it with speed and viciousness. Lots of good books on the topic and even useful training demos. Shanking, like knife fighting focuses on bleeding the opponent out. It is not instantaneous, but the right strike can be quick. Neck, liver, kidney, stomach. Your goal with knife fighting is to cause as much blood loss as quickly as possible. That is what ends the fight. If they have a gun you are likely screwed, doubly so if you try and scare them with a knife. Your only chance was to sneak up on them. Assuming they don't have a gun, but a hand weapon or fists, the problem is for you to be close enough to them, they must be close enough to you. Are you confident in your ability defend yourself against a hand to hand attatck? You need to shank him fast or die trying.
At this point it is important to point out there are often alternatives to the knife fight. Pre-SHTF, better to barricade yourself in and call the police. Arm yourself but do not confront. You only attack if they bust into your room. Run away of you can. Let the police handle the physical confrontation. Have a tool that can be used as a weapon. (Follow all safe storage laws) a cellphone charged and in your room, and have a means to barricade your room. This includes plans to go from the living room in the evening to a more secure place in the event of a break in. Call the cops and wait for rescue.
Post SHTF: you should never be alone, and your first action should be to partner up with others of like mind. Each home should have multiple defenders. Depending on your threat assessment and manpower capacity, you can consider having a nightshift of guard duty. Get dogs. If an intruder is suspected alert everyone in the home to an intruder. Air horn, a good yell, or an alarm system of any design to alert multiple adults who can defend themselves and execute a plan. You can make your plan to sweep the house as complicated as your group is willing to train and be proficient at. A suggestion as food for thought for those with no training, imagine multiple people communicating from multiple rooms as you systematically sweep the house. It is true you gave away your positions, but you've also presented the attacker with an obvious problem. He/they may be outnumbered or outflanked. If you are folks of average training your communication should be constant, especially with firearms because you don't want to shoot friendlies by accident. It is a calculated risk, but warranted if you want to avoid sneaking around in the dark and possibly hurting a friendly. You should have FLASHLIGHTS so you can positively identify any target, even if the power is out. Any kind will do, but High output do give the option of blinding and disorienting would be attackers. I know mallninja hates flashlights...so at your discretion you may want to consider using smoke grenades and flashbangs that you made yourself. You may also want to consider using the ninjaboots that let you climb walls. 😀 (A small tribute the the king of mallninjas Gecko45, I couldn't resist, read my previous link if you didn't get the reference It is a good read and a great laugh.
My honest opinion, based off of a situation I've come across while training, is I had an over sized machete, sword cross breed weapon. Now, it is a novelty, I only use it when practicing and strengthening my wrist, but it is approx. 10 pounds as well. And let me tell you, sword to sword, a samurai sword or katana, would eat me up in combat. It could strike me two-to-four times by the time I've realized my miss or lack of contact and then told my brain to raise the sword back up in defense of my open torso, more importantly my face.
Again Its based off of the given situation. If the opposition is multiple people, I just don't believe, even with training, that such a weapon could be used to respond quickly enough for multiple repeated engagements if the target is solo and unarmed, why need the weapon? If he/she is armed, again, a lead pipe will out perform your sword and your response time between strike attempts.
I don't know what he was trying to say about a 10 lbs sword/machete crossover. But commercially available swords and machetes are all on the web for anyone to look up and none are even close to that heavy. Most full size swords are from 2.5 to 4 lbs. Daggers and knives much much less. He may be training with a weighted replica, or a piece of spring steal, but he at least he points out that speed is important. +1 for mall ninja YAY! As to engaging multiple attackers, he correctly states that you can't win even with training. +2. Go back to my suggestion that you should never be alone. When SHTF, or you have reasonable fears that it will soon, as a prepper you should have prepped for this. You will not have to engage anyone alone, because you won't ever be alone. Ever. Not for shopping, or work, or toiling in your garden or fixing your house. You may go to the bathroom alone if you like but that is a personal choice.
NOW, if you're seeking some sort of distance, but do not wish to use a projectile, create or purchase a spear. If you become proficient enough it can also be a viable way of hunting. A spear puts approx. 5 to 8 feet between you and danger. As well, it can hide right behind any door or corner or closet that you can find in your home. Also if bugging out on foot, it can be used as a walking stick. The standard bamboo or wood spears are very easy to repair or even to create from scratch in the middle of no where.
My posts wouldn't be so long if Aries didn't vomit up such incredibly bad advice in order to give him the validation he seeks. Remember that indoors you have limited room to swing so a sword let alone a 5 to 8 foot spear. Try for a dagger. Even a nice 8" kitchen knife makes a handy defensive tool in a pinch. Even better for cooking. Same goes for guns, keep it short and lethal. Your 28" hunting rifle is not appropriate for indoors. A short shotgun or handgun is the better choice. If you want hunting ability, carry some snare wire and a 22lr. Way less time and energy wasted than fricken spearing squirrels. Much lighter too.
And folks don't take a word of what I say on it's own merit, or based on my authority as a mallninja, an OPP seargent, or captain kangaroo or my experience as both an aunt and a grandfather and extensive training or a licensed pyrotechnician and military target acquirer. If you see something wrong with what I've said, correct me and I'll thank you for it. I'll do you the same favour. Debate what Ive said with others, and tell me where I'm wrong, suggest a better alternative. Read some good books, (web is full of them now, but start with Massad Ayoub's the gravest extreme and go from there) See if it agrees with your own common sense. Then flush it out with other people who actually do this for a living. Talk to a vetrean police officer or military personnel. (Careful a lot of rookies like to pretend they know what they are talking about but really know shit. Find the veterans who through experience and competence have moved up the ranks.) Download training video torrents from the web from the leading defensive schools. Download declasified military manuals that are or so common like urban warfare and house clearing. Check out the criminal code of Canada. Check out the NRCAN rules on possessing, storing and transporting explosives and incendiaries and for gawds sake don't take Aries "expertise" to heart. He will get you killed, or worse.
Next?
Here is my first hand experience in disaster scenarios...
There will be those that have not prepared who will try to steal what they need to survive...namely food.
First targets will be supermarkets, corner stores, etc...
Second targets will be abandoned homes, usually those of people who have bugged out or gone to shelters.
Lastly, VERY,VERY desperate people will begin to invade homes that are actually occupied, and even then they will wait for the occupants to leave.
These people are after food and supplies, NOT confrontation.Want my 2 cents of advice?
Get a dog...a big dog.
Better yet, get 2.Let people know that you are standing guard 24/7.
Invest in a small solar system that will run outdoor lights all night long.
Deter the potential threat and they will likely move to an easier target.
If you are in a situation where there are hoards of gangs roaming the streets invading homes and systematically raping, pillaging, and plundering then what the hell are you still doing there? I also plan to bug in for MOST situations, however, I also am ready to get the heck out of Dodge when need be. My wife and children are too important to me to play the macho man and stand off against impossible odds.
If you don't have a drivers permit...get one...then get a car...used, reliable, but something that can get you out of harms way.
If you don't have a place planned to go to...get that also. An out of town friend, relative, etc...
This is called prepping and should be as important to you as food and water.
Stop worrying so much about how to fight off gangs and start getting ready to not be there when they come.I think too many people imagine an immediate degradation of society into something resembling Mad Max or maybe even scene from I Am Legend.
For the record I agree with EVERYTHING Denob has said.
My posts wouldn't be so long if Aries didn't vomit up such incredibly bad advice in order to give him the validation he seeks. Remember that indoors you have limited room to swing so a sword let alone a 5 to 8 foot spear. Try for a dagger. Even a nice 8" kitchen knife makes a handy defensive tool in a pinch. Even better for cooking. Same goes for guns, keep it short and lethal. Your 28" hunting rifle is not appropriate for indoors. A short shotgun or handgun is the better choice. If you want hunting ability, carry some snare wire and a 22lr. Way less time and energy wasted than fricken spearing squirrels. Much lighter too. -mono quote.
Buddy I appeciate the attention but your arrogant intentions disrupt your vision. Miss the part where I said distance engagement? Smart come back by advising someone to grab an 8" knife. I'm sure they would be better off with your intelligent life saving intervention... goof. And with regards to the childish repetition of relating back to your mallninja link, you do some obviously productive studying, as well, in the same paragraph you mention a hatred of lights, which obviously again is a contortion of my actual reference to you and the use of flashlights as a self-defense device. I know you tried hard to back it with a common sense following of avoiding friendly fire, but why don't you spend a wee bit more time explaining to use the part where you skipped commonsense and advised it for the use of engaging an attacker.... I keep bringing it up because I'm still waiting for an answer tweedle-dee.
You can keep trying to attack me, it's your right, just remember it shows your character. I have fun though because you must realize, every moment you spend reading and responding to me, I own you. I dictate your every action, feeling and response based directly off of what I post. If I want you to be happy, I can make that happen. If I want you to be ignorant and insulted, I can continue to make that happen. I can take x amount of time and energy from you that you will never get back. And up to now there's been absolutely nothing you can do about it, because you are too ignorant to realize. Psychological warfare is fairly simple when you have a mind to understand it. Aslo understand that your impulsive ignorance directly inhibits your intentions of dissmissing me and teaching anyone the truth. You are only drawing me more attention as well as people will be distracted by your personal indulgence rather then receiving the message. So I hope you've done mother proud! 🙂 haha, your attempts have been quite pathetic and obviously very personal. But this is the freeworld son, and you just aren't emotionally equipped to engage in this climate. Time for your extinction please.
Respond, please. Or don't. Reverse psychology or not who knows, either way I'll get exactly what I want out of now, since you had decided to make your self a target and seek me out.
Daisy, I think there is an "American" mindset or way of thinking that most of these people don't get and I think you recognize I'm my words. It doesn't matter background of experience or not, no one is trying to show off or prove anything, everything discussed here-in has been for a "matter-of-fact purpose. So please intake the information and not the argument again please sort it out on your own. I'm just trying to give you useful advice. It seems you want a deterrence as well as distance and easily/safely and indiscreetly storable tool for your home. Thus I suggest a multi-purpose one, such as a spear. By no means do I state this is the perfect weapon. There is none. And the only thing that comes close is the mind. So again, continue to use yours and seek all aspects and options, foreign and domestic and from there compile YOUR ideal choice for YOUR given situation.
@ Aries
You came onto this website looking for a fight. Your first post was self-aggrandizing and condescending, and it's only gotten worse since someone called bullshit.
We had a nice pleasant Canadian site to come to for info and community, you've pretty much crapped all over that. Own this: Go Away.
@ Denob
I recognize your effort to diffuse this awkward situation, and by anyone (me) further commenting on this interloper's poor behaviour does nothing to help that. But even I can take only so much.
I agree,
Aries calm down learn from real experts, real training, real military training.
You did come to fight, either take it easy and learn or leave.
Your attitude is not appreciated here, nor would it be appreciated on any reputable US sites either, and this site is an offshoot of a US site.
Stop with the attacks and the bull crap or I will be getting you banned. OUT..
Daisy, I think there is an "American" mindset or way of thinking that most of these people don't get and I think you recognize I'm my words. It doesn't matter background of experience or not, no one is trying to show off or prove anything, everything discussed here-in has been for a "matter-of-fact purpose. So please intake the information and not the argument again please sort it out on your own. I'm just trying to give you useful advice. It seems you want a deterrence as well as distance and easily/safely and indiscreetly storable tool for your home. Thus I suggest a multi-purpose one, such as a spear. By no means do I state this is the perfect weapon. There is none. And the only thing that comes close is the mind. So again, continue to use yours and seek all aspects and options, foreign and domestic and from there compile YOUR ideal choice for YOUR given situation.
Rudeness compiled with lack of knowledge will get others killed or injured.
You are spewing garbage, you are spewing racism and Anti-Americanism.
You comments are juvenile, ill thought out, computer game misinterpretations to training situations and real life situations. My only regret was not reporting or trying to check your attitude before this.
Real life, real adult situations have demanded my attention. Take your petty juvenile tantrums elsewhere or better yet, get help with your attitude.
out
Thank you Aries.....that gives me a lot to mull over.....must think and will respond further tomorrow. 🙂
Daisy,
please look at other answers and mull them over!
The info Aries gave is mostly incorrect and will get you killed, maimed or worse.
A short quick rebuttal will suffice; Anyone with training man or woman, will see the stance, how the person holds a bladed weapon and know the level of skill that individual has. Not the crocodile Dundee, that's not a knife this is a knife comment.
I'm reloading this from the other page because some of which pertains to you on this page.
In my defense wildernessretun I do like your approach to the situation and attempts to shut it down. But with regard to your "talk" with me on the other page, and with direction to what vansislemom said to/about me, I did not come on here(other page) looking for a fight by any means. What was said over there was a carry over from a disgruntled momo on this very page. I never jumped on this website to shit on anyone and not once have I condesendingly attacked or insulted anyone. I posted some information and from there I was asked my opinion. I believe you stated that what advice I gave would get people killed in agreement with momo's comments. How did you come to that decision? See I don't mind constructive criticism, but I do mind when people hit and run with no explanation. As well, learn from real professionals? I have, not once did I claim to be a police offer nor military personnel. Anyone can learn anything virtually anywhere in this day and age. I have my credentials to know myself, regardless of what everyone may choose to assume, to back me up. My team, my family, knows 100% what I have done in my life. Maybe not details but they know I'm equipped. The point of this site isn't to come on and show your resume, there's no job opening to apply for. Were here to teach new people. Not bitch amongst vets and well established preppers about who is fraud n who isnt, because words on the Internet can be taken any way, usually completely out of context because the words reflect the emotions of the person reading them. As well, anyone can say you are or aren't this n that, but what proof do you have? What childish things I said? I was fucking with cock teeth just aggravate him and waste his time and look, at every chance he got he tried to continue the assault, though all his comments on "what aries said" were read completely wrong or he intentionally twisted them for god knows what reason.
Everything I advise with regards to weapons etc, were completely sound, and that I KNOW from physical use. I never once jumped on like he did, here or the other page, to give armchair insults and "teachings" like an asshole.
So please forgive me for feeding the dragon more fuel, but look what I've shown you about him. Nothing I did on my end reflects my true emotions or mind, I just wanted to be the person he hated, that punk little kid he imagined me to be. I know that it was torturous for all of you and I apologize or the endurance. But he can say I'm not what I am and I can say I am what I'm not but either way none of you can prove or disprove it. All you can do is intake the information and decide for yourself what is practical or not. Nothing more. None of you or myself are in any position to dictate the experience of anyone, "mallninja" or not.
I was completely flabbergasted by the comments from him to begin with, but from the rest of you as well? Vansilemom? Really? See what I mean, your assuming I did something, when in reality you know half the story and no idea how this "beef" began, yet you feel the need to insult or direct a negative comment towards me? Really?
This all obviously quote ridiculous as all of you can tell, the whole given situation. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be shit on, insulted or targeted by you guys for something that I never actually did....like WTF? Lol
I will Take the blame for aggravating him here and the other page, but a lot of it, was completely in defense of myself or another person. And clearly you have noticed that wildernessreturn. And I'm thankful you have, but in the same breath you have belittled me for absolutely no reason. So thanks for half of what you've said.
I really don't have any problem with any of you. What I said to momo was completely to aggravate him. Nothing more.
If you guys really feel I did something completely wrong fine, were all entitled to out opinions. Some people appreciated my info, some of you obviously don't. I don't get payed for this shit so I really and truly don't need to interactive with this website. I have no problem being the bigger person, there is dozens of other forums, I can be of use somewhere.
So if you what you wish is me to leave. Then so be it. I will just stop inputing information. I respect all of what you say and will continue to read it, so no, I won't remove my account unless I'm forced, because I love reading and learning. But I will not interact with the pages since I'm clearly such a problem.
Was fun while it lasted ladies and gents. Good luck and have faith, no matter what shtf occurs, Jesus Christ will help you to where you belong, please don't fear death.
Cheers!
Actually Aries, you have shown quite a bit about yourself with all this...when, as a moderator, I asked you both to tone things down, Momo did...you did not. You have openly admitted that your sole intent was to aggravate another member of the forum. I have received complaints from members and will now have to ask admin. to get involved. It is unfortunate that you felt that this was an appropriate venue for your childish games. Games that I now intend to have put to a permanent end.
Well it was beyond my knowing denob, that you were a moderator and I took from your statements and daisy's reference to you that you had no problem with my information. Maybe my conduct yea but info no, I see that as unfair and unjust to subject me to such a decision, but that is your position and there is no option to defend or object it. So please. Do as must.
To be honest with you, I though from the beginning that wildernessreturn was the moderator. If you did ask us to calm down, in my defense, I did not realize. So just an idea for when moderating, pm the person(s). Speak to them privately, that way they can't disregard your warning unless it's intentional and they won't be subjected to embarrassment infront of others, for some, that will just make the situation worse.
Good luck to everyone and I hope this site grows, it needs much more interaction an participation from it's members. Negative discussions, yet better avoided, still get the ball rolling and bring up many interesting questions and points of view.