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Wayne
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In a lawless environment, few of us would hesitate to defend our property and the preparations we've made. Under what circumstance are the risks to our loved ones too high? When do we fight and when do we leave?

For me, getting out of Dodge would give the best chance for my family to remain uninjured. That would be my first priority. History has shown that assaulting a position is usually easier than defending it.

In the past, I've maintained that when threatened with force (where family survival was in-question), I wouldn't "shoot it out." and would prefer to leave and fight another day (under my terms). There are of course exceptions...

To this end, I've taken precautions of storing the required equipment at an undisclosed location off my property. My tactical training and experience substantiates combat success at long range. Preferably at a distance where I can take down the perpetrators while camouflaged and unseen.

Because of this, I've been reluctant to pursue any home security preparations beyond the norm (windows, doors, other security measures). As I see it, this would only make my job more difficult upon my return. Such precautions cut both ways.

I'm interested in how you would deal with the problem? Is leaving a consideration, or would you elect to defend the Alamo?

What are your plans and preparations for such an eventuality, or is it something that you haven't considered? How do you balance home security with your plan?

None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.


   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZbGZokJepw Useful Items to Consider When Building an Underground Survival Cache

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For defending the alamo, im a little too residential for an all out attack except by a dedicated band of marauders. They would know they were in a tussle though. Dont forget the 3-1 ratio for attack vs defence . Small unit attacks by assaulters get away by skill and prep. Lesser trained/untrained can be pushed back by a good defense,in that time they may reconsider their target choice. Generally speaking when bodies start accumulating goals may change


   
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With two small children leaving would be the last option. How to keep them alive, let alone my wife and I alive. It would be impossible for me with my skill set. So leaving isn't an option I would consider outside of being forced out of our home. Also a .22 isn't much protection either.

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(@protector)
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Wayne! Sounds like your preparing for war lol. J/K but I was going to start a thread on MAG's and found this gem! Your very right. The best is to have a secluded hidden place away from the home and make the home seem deserted/ unlivable (no stove pipe). Let marauders have what ever they can find and stay hidden. A small family could survive for years if they lived this way. Problems are is that a life? And you usually can't garden or raise animals/ have fire because of smoke (impossible here in winter) I heard many say before that they would rather retreat and long rage attack after. Your safe because they can't see you and their very easy to see and dodge as its your home turf.


   
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Wayne
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lol Perhaps a War involving one warrior... Me, my rifle and my Gillie suit... Guards aren't however necessary, just a clean-up crew. 🙂

I would stay in the home (bulk of supplies hidden). I'd welcome anyone in to share a cup of tea and have a good look at what little is available. A poor man has nothing to fear from a Robber.

Any fire can be replenished from the forest. Feel free to stop by to warm-up. I might have an extra squirrel to share next time...

Lets check-out the next place; there's nothing here... OR ...My family and I'll just leave (I'll be back).....

Either way, my family is safe.

None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.


   
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Is anybody know how to get ready for a solar minimum in Canada or if it even possible?
Following: Oppenheimer Ranch Project , adapt 2030 , Suspicious0bservers ,
Ice Age Farmer to name only a few On YouTube channel to get real info.Oppenheimer Ranch Project keep debunked mainstream media with all the lie and propaganda Hop that help.


   
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(@denob)
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Not sure what there would be to get ready for. Solar minimum is simply a period of low activity on the sun such as CME, flares, etc.


   
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(@draxxen)
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Well "obama executive order space weather events" the USA are getting ready for it will have to waited and see.


   
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(@denob)
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Yes, Obama did sign an executive order to mitigate against space weather events. The events that cause concern are associated with solar maximum, not minimum.
Use the search tool to find any number of posts regarding these topics.


   
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Wayne
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Isn't the solar minimum related to what they call the modern ice age, or am I confused?

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Well Wayne, you seem to be more "up" on the topic than I...had to look it up.
Now I understand...well at least I understand what the theory is.
An extended solar minimum is supposed to cause a mini ice age.
These extended solar minimums have been associated with colder climate periods in not so recent history.
My issue with this is that these recorded "mini ice ages" occured before anyone knew anything about solar cycles.
After looking around, I found the usual suspects (Youtubers, bloggers, etc) quoting their research (often sourced from other Youtubers, bloggers, etc.) claiming iminent global cooling.
I also found a whole lot of actual scientific refences claiming that even an extended period solar minimum couldn't offset the global warming caused by man made emmisions.
I don't know...seems like more of the standard fear mongering to me...I guess the whole planet X thing has run it's course after dozens of doomsday dates having passed without incident.


   
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Wayne
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I didn't understand the science, but my read was similar to yours. The world has its full of crazy people, each with their own brand to sell.

Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day.

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peppercorn
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I don't know squat about solar minimum, I just know it was a great winter for sunlight but piss poor for temperature, This has been one long cold winter,another night of -18 coming, I have blown my wood budget so to speak, lucky I have extra 😀 😀

Heating two levels (up and down) about 2300 sqft total and if this weather doesn't improve soon I might hit 5 cord, the most I have ever used.

Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.


   
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peppercorn
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Finally, over night temperature might only go to -11 or -12. I was beginning to think we were entering a ice age. I can take cold snaps during winter proper but by April I am sick of it and biteing at the bit to get things done out side. This winter came early and is hanging on longer than I can remember. I started recording weather observations, things like rain fall, first frosts, last frosts and such 10 or more years ago...This winter seemed to have lowest, longest temps that have observed. Still a foot of snow that needs to melt before I can do anything outside!

I just checked my notes, and first frost hit sept 14,15th then first snow (4 inches) and hard hard frost (-7) came Oct 2. This is turning into a full seven months of winter. I need to stock more mix for winters this long!

Forget about leaving in much of Canada, and forget about defending, nobody is going any wear (under Emergency type conditions) for much of the year,in fact by this point, after this long of winter I wont defend anything, I will invite anyone in for a meal as I would like the company! I will like their company even more if they have mix!

Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.


   
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Wayne
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The only mix you need is ice and it seems that you have an ample supple... Cheers! 🙂

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