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(@farmgal)
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-cracks-down-on-booby-traps-1.1856170

hmmm, interesting!


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(@coinzero)
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That is all fine and dandy; except! Barbed wire and Fortifications! Really. Barbed wire is everywhere, Now before I decide to buy a place in the country and am going to have to ask the real estate agent if the property is barb wire free so I don't get a fine on closing day lmao! And the open ended catch all term "Fortifications" is so open ended it can be used to fine anyone! so steel doors with more then 1 lock, fences and god help us gates with locks are also fineable how about hunting shacks in the woods on my farm. This is stupid. Ok I do agree with booby traps that can harm or kill people, that sounds logical to place a law on and to be honest I would have thought there was a law on making such devices, as well as cracking down on illegal operations and drug producers and such, but Barbed wire and fortifications should be off limits! You can't tell people what they can or can not build on their own property. So are underground homes like earth berm and earth ships now going to be considered bunkers or a type of fortification. Well could be if you piss off a cop and he feels like fining your @$$. What about bunkers and underground storm shelters. My god this could go on forever. Who the hell are we electing now a days!!! Thankfully I live in SK but this sh1t can and might spread! I posted on that article as well using a my fake Facebook page I created for posting on news and government related sites such as that. They do not need my real email and facebook info or any of my info for that matter, that's for sure! lol I believe we all could have fake FB accounts when posting anywhere online. I created mine fake FB account and email at the library so the IP address can not be traced back to me easily.

Sorry to be a little negative and grumpy sounding in that post, just about to have my 1st coffee of the day, and seeing my rights and freedoms being harmed further just ticks me off! 🙂


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(@denob)
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...posted to CPN facebook page!
And already a comment!
This could get interesting.



   
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(@farmgal)
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given that I have livestock, they would have a very hard time being able to prove that my barbwire is not part of the farm, I expect that this would be the way to work around certain things, there are laws on what you can use for legal animals traps in season, again, if you are allowed to trap x during said months, they would have a very hard time proving that you don't have coyotes on your land, same with the root cellar, if you have root veggies in it, and a garden, It would be very hard to prove in court that you don't grow your own veggies and have a root cellar, but I see where you are coming from and I agree with it, I think this is a VERY VERY slippery slope, and that while its being said, its to help prevent traps for drug dealers (and I'm fine with that) I think that it would be far to easy to flip that law to be used in ways that could allow a officer to find a loop-hole to get a charge on you..

Having said that, my own little county, which is pretty good in most ways, put a by-law in a couple years ago, no bars on windows, no steel doors, no this or that for protection, and they said it was because folks had done some of this and it effected what the fire fighters and police could do on breaking into the homes.. (which of course is true, that is the point of them) but our county banned a number of things on this subject.


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(@denob)
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A bit of research...
the fortified buildings act has been in force in Manitoba since 2002.
Here is a excerpt...

Interpretation

1(2) For the purposes of this Act, a building is a "fortified building" if it is protected by one or more of the following:

(a) bulletproof material or material designed to be resistant to explosives, on doors or windows;

(b) protective metal plating on the interior or exterior of the building that is not required for the structural integrity of the building;

(c) armoured or specially reinforced doors;

(d) metal bars on exterior doors or windows;

(e) any other fortification set out in the regulations.

Exception for normal residential security

1(3) Notwithstanding subsection (2), a building is not a "fortified building" for the purposes of this Act if it has been fortified in a manner that does not exceed reasonable security measures commonly taken for a residential dwelling.

Given this, I understand that any fortifications made would have to be commonly used on a residential building...not sure what that means, but definitely open to interpretation. I would guess that if you could find examples of fortifications used by others in your area then they would be OK. I think the intent of the law is good, however, like most, open to abuse.

Some more from the law...

Considerations

5(2) In determining whether a fortified building is a threat to public safety, the director may take into account

(a) the number and type of fortifications in or on the building or on the property on which the building is located;

(b) whether the fortifications could significantly impair the ability of emergency response personnel and law enforcement officials to gain access to the building;

(c) whether the fortifications could significantly impair the ability of people inside the building to escape in an emergency;

(d) the nature of the neighbourhood or area in which the building is located;

(e) the proximity of the building to schools, playgrounds and other places where children are likely to be present;

(f) the proximity of the building to other buildings;

(g) the purpose for which the building is being used;

(h) whether the fortifications are reasonably necessary given the purpose for which the building is being used;

(i) the persons who own, occupy or visit the building;

(j) whether any criminal activity or other disruptive behaviour has taken place in or around the building previously; and

(k) any other factor that the director considers relevant.

In my opinion that should read...
In determining whether a fortified building is a threat to public safety, the director MUST take into account



   
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(@coinzero)
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I agree with farmgal, but I still feel it is sad about the bars, steel doors and whatever else they banned. and thanks for the awesome list denob. I do feel I have the right to do whatever I want to feel safe in and on my own property up to and including using my long rifles. I am lucky so far to be in an area where we are still allowed to pretty much do what we please with no questions asked on our own property as long as it does not harm or interfere with others.


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(@justdoit)
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If a fire man can kick in or pry open my front door so can a thief or a mob that wants my stuff. Same with the bars.. They can kiss my fuzzy butt.. I will protect my family in any way i see fit.

BTW.. They can't see the metal sheets behind the drywall.. 🙂



   
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(@the-canadian-giant)
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Thankfully these regulations have not made it to the provinces where we live or have retreat locations. One of our cabins has steel reinforced windows and doors just to deal with a previous vandalism problem. Fortunately we were able to solve the problem, but we left the defence in place.

Definitely something to watch for.


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(@helicopilot)
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I'm thinking this regulation has got more to do about illegal activity purposes. Reading through that, I'm thinking about the Hells Angels "bunkers" in many Quebec communities (and maybe elsewhere in Canada, I've just never seen them). I don't think there is an intent to have a bylaw officer go door to door to measure the thickness of doors and number of bolts. I also don't think that the average rancher will be annoyed by the officials over barb wire fences. Now, if I added a row of concertina wire at the top of my metal fence... The. Again, in a TEOTWAKI situation, I don't think bylaw officers will care.



   
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