Some of these proposed changes don't make sense to me. Is this what he actually announced or the medias twist on it? Safety course for first time owners. Isn't this the PAL course? Applying for transport permits from the CFO's, but they only list select provinces. Where do the other provinces get their ATT's from?

Adding ATT's to the licences makes sense and some of this seems like a positive step but I would like to see more progress.

We would all like to see more progress on this.

However to me it does seem like a step in the right direction. POL and PAL merged together just increases amount of people who can now go out and buy new toys which is good for the industry and for the shooting sport.

Stop the challenge your PAL exam and safety course mandatory is a common sense idea and should also appeal to the Anti's.

If we can trust you with a Restricted License surely your ATT should be part of that. All common sense and eliminated Police time better spent on other stuff preferably not related to the shooting sport. No more silly hoops for the Restricted Firearms holders to jump through to please the Provincial CFO.

Not bad for starters.

This is all good news for responsible owners everywhere...The rules around restricted weapons were absolutely ridiculous, invasive and archaic and the emphasis on mandatory safety course makes complete sense...Education not legislation i always say..

I came across this article which is overall a debate on gun control in the future as new technologies come into play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mBFI56FkR0
This guy prints the first usable firearm on a 3D printer and puts the software on the market for free. Does this make him an anarchist or another Snowden or Lasange? Seems he studied law before taking this action and has the intellect to argue his actions and their consequences.

What do you think of this?

Found folks were mentioning the 25 round mags for the Mossberg 715T are now banned in Canada. I found this out wile watching a review on the rifle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmakCIo2XcY
For more info, you can check this at the Canadian Firearms Program, call 1-800-731-400.

Ruger will replace or pin your mags for free if you send them in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9_R7e6cIc

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If your found owning one, the Canadian government will put you up in a secure motel and provide you with hot meals and all expenses paid for up to 2 years. 😀

I also found this information further defining this new legislation if your interested http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

I came across this article which is overall a debate on gun control in the future as new technologies come into play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mBFI56FkR0
This guy prints the first usable firearm on a 3D printer and puts the software on the market for free. Does this make him an anarchist or another Snowden or Lasange? Seems he studied law before taking this action and has the intellect to argue his actions and their consequences.

What do you think of this?

I find this debate funny, funny in the fact that 3d printers are more expensive then buying a few nice guns. I have no issue with the program being available on the internet, how to manufacture an M104, 1911, Rem700, A and X bolts, Cz, AK47 etc... is on the internet as well and I dont see people walking around making those all the time.

I came across this article which is overall a debate on gun control in the future as new technologies come into play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mBFI56FkR0
This guy prints the first usable firearm on a 3D printer and puts the software on the market for free. Does this make him an anarchist or another Snowden or Lasange? Seems he studied law before taking this action and has the intellect to argue his actions and their consequences.

What do you think of this?

I find this debate funny, funny in the fact that 3d printers are more expensive then buying a few nice guns. I have no issue with the program being available on the internet, how to manufacture an M104, 1911, Rem700, A and X bolts, Cz, AK47 etc... is on the internet as well and I dont see people walking around making those all the time.

I think the issue is that the gun wouldn't be detected by any metal detector and also that there would be no way of tracking the manufacture of these firearms. Before this new technology, a company needed moulds and resins, castings and patterns, lathes and milling machines. In other words, it required a vast amount of equipment and room to even produce one firearm in abundance. This kept the manufacturing of decent firearms to a minimum and the government could place tight restrictions to control their numbers.

Now a guy needs is just some powder and a 3D printer to produce all the components quickly from a single tiny machine and no possibility of real evidence that his machine produced any given weapon authorities . You can see that every shady character around the world will be purchasing one of these as a new playtoy. And like any new toy, the price won't fall to where the rest of us can afford one until all the rich folks have had their turn with them first....

agreed.

I talk to machinist every day due to my job ( I sell metal) and they all think its a bunch of politics as the technology to make a gun that cannot be identified by metal detectors has been around for a long time. Metals like Austinetic Stainless steel 3XX (no iron), Aluminum, Copper, Brass and Gold are not detected by airport detectors (ever walked through with your watch still on, it doesnt go off)and are far more readily available to manufacture a working weapon then it is to get a 3d printer. Anyone who can afford a small milling machine and lathe (less then a 3d printer) can make all the components and have a firearm that can fire more then just a few rounds. Also I have customers that make custom bullets already out of copper and brass that are not detected.

For me its a a non issue as plastic guns will not change the fact that over the last 100 years no one has mass produced a metal gun that is not dectected why would all of a sudden a rush be out there to produce a plastic one. The initial cost for a small 3d printer is about $3000.00, you need the $10,000 software that would be required to control the CAM that could produce such a complicated part and finally you need to buy the powder, tools, fixtures etc.. it is not so cheap to just go buy a 3D printer put it on your table and tell it to make a gun. Not to mention that you are going to screw up the first many.

I am more worried about the crazy machinist who not only makes a non detectable metal gun but also produces supressors to go with them. Then sells them to his terrorist/ fanatical buds. There are a lot of machinists out there that have some scarry view points.

You might not be aware but I too am a machinist. 😆 I even have my own shop but only have digital readouts (darn) 👿 and managed to build 2 person helicopters with what I do have. :geek: I agree that one's mind is the limits to one's abilities and all weapons are made by my trade. Still, access to the proper materials is a limiting factor to making a properly rifled barrel ( the major component to any weapon's accuracy) and acquiring the tooling for such as that can be monitored fairly easy too. Thus, you can rest easy that these factors will limit the possibility of most of those scarey machinists doing anything more than talking.

I agree that all plastic components would have a short lifespan, but then most criminals would toss any weapon after a major crime committed where evidence collected could then tie those in possession of that weapon to the crime. I still see this 3D printer being a major threat due to this potential and just owning one would likely put you as a potential suspect to many crimes. A quick Google suggests that they run around $20,000 so far and I agree that it's potential is limited by the ability of the software you are running. If the supplied software is capable of working with the basic DWG or DXF format of Autocad, then they already have all that is needed for making a vast selection of items worldwide. It's amazing how a good invention such as this could become a major threat to society as well.

You might not be aware but I too am a machinist. 😆 I even have my own shop but only have digital readouts (darn) 👿 and managed to build 2 person helicopters with what I do have. :geek: I agree that one's mind is the limits to one's abilities and all weapons are made by my trade. Still, access to the proper materials is a limiting factor to making a properly rifled barrel ( the major component to any weapon's accuracy) and acquiring the tooling for such as that can be monitored fairly easy too. Thus, you can rest easy that these factors will limit the possibility of most of those scarey machinists doing anything more than talking.

I agree that all plastic components would have a short lifespan, but then most criminals would toss any weapon after a major crime committed where evidence collected could then tie those in possession of that weapon to the crime. I still see this 3D printer being a major threat due to this potential and just owning one would likely put you as a potential suspect to many crimes. A quick Google suggests that they run around $20,000 so far and I agree that it's potential is limited by the ability of the software you are running. If the supplied software is capable of working with the basic DWG or DXF format of Autocad, then they already have all that is needed for making a vast selection of items worldwide. It's amazing how a good invention such as this could become a major threat to society as well.

Awesome, I figured you might be a machinist with the way you were talking. Manual? CNC? combo. I started machining about 7 years ago and I am hooked.

I agree with you that if the cost of the machines goes down it would be a serious threat to everyone. But since the cost is high and buying such a machine now would put you on a watchlist I am sure most that would think about it at this point would not do it. NOw the Metal printer that Boeing just purchased, if they make a small enough one of those we would have a serious problem.

NOw the Metal printer that Boeing just purchased, if they make a small enough one of those we would have a serious problem

Why? From what I've heard getting an illegal firearm isn't that hard in large cities close to the border. Those that would choose to do harm can fairly easily do so even without guns. It isn't the possession of a firearm that makes people do bad things.

Some of these proposed changes don't make sense to me. Is this what he actually announced or the medias twist on it? Safety course for first time owners. Isn't this the PAL course? Applying for transport permits from the CFO's, but they only list select provinces. Where do the other provinces get their ATT's from?

Adding ATT's to the licences makes sense and some of this seems like a positive step but I would like to see more progress.

Technically you don't actually need to take a course to get your PAL. If you studied on your own you can simply challenge the CFSC test without a formal course.

NOw the Metal printer that Boeing just purchased, if they make a small enough one of those we would have a serious problem

Why? From what I've heard getting an illegal firearm isn't that hard in large cities close to the border. Those that would choose to do harm can fairly easily do so even without guns. It isn't the possession of a firearm that makes people do bad things.

true enough.

a metal printer allows for much more creative designs that would be either impossible to machine or takes something complex and makes it simple. B0mbs for example or heavy projectiles can be easily produced on a metal printer.

I'm going to have to lookup these metal printers as yet. From what I understand, the 3D printer works by using laser to heat and bond plastic particles contained in a tub. This is how they manage to pull the piece from a pile of sand like particles. But to do the same with metal would require a completely different approach as it would require metal removal instead from an already solid object. This could be done by machining or EDM (electrical discharge), but not by laser as far as I know.

I worked for Camtech Industries in Calgary for 1 1/2 years(1996-97) using CNC machines in making CNC laser and router tables. We could etch metals and such as marble for tombstones with $100,000 lasers but not to machine tolerances at that time. Yet if they now have such technology, machinists will soon fade away much like the blacksmiths did and be replaced by simple program operators.