Soon as I saw this online I had to have it. Been wishing for a 9mm revolver and this 4.5" Czech-made piece looked downright cool. They come in short-cylinder and long-cylinder versions; the long is probably more practical but I wanted something unique.
$600 later (tax and shipping included) I have it in my hand. I had been expecting a curious-looking range toy that I might hand out as a last resort during an emergency. Now I'm not so sure! This thing is nice! Feels every bit as solid as my Ruger GP100. Fit and finish are excellent, there's a slight parting of the grip halves right behind the trigger but I can live with that. Feels nice in my hand, might be even better for someone with smaller hands than me. Sights are pretty good, it already has the orange insert so I don't need to put nail polish on the front ramp. Rear is adjustable.
And you know this is a scary looking gun. Gets points just for that. People would assume it's a 357 (They also make a 357 model 😀 )
DA/SA trigger pull is atleast as hard as my Ruger. Might buy the tuned spring that Rusty Wood Trading is selling for these. Gonna take it to the range tomorrow and see what this moon clip business is all about. It can load without them but supposedly won't eject as easily; I want to see for myself.
Until then: 🙂
nice gun i like it
just one question because im curious 😀
did you really order this online and they shipped to your door ?
i never order a gun online i tough it wasnt legal to send by postal, im surprised of this
you live in us?
I'm as Canadian as they come. Yes you can order a gun online, the law is just a bit goofy about it. If the postman hands it to you you're good. If you have to pick it up from the post office then you need an ATT supposedly. It's powerful stupid. Luckily for me I was home when the postman came, I wasn't even expecting this today.
Just opened the manual and they included the paper target this gun was tested with. 6 shots nicely grouped at a distance of 15 meters. Can't wait to try this out in single action mode, it's got a heavy barrel.
a 9mm revolver...whowouldathunkit! Usually they are 357 or 38 caliber but not 9mm as a revolver.
We were issued the Browning 9mm automatic as MP's back in the 70's. All other forces carried the 38 caliber still. We were constantly razzed by civi officers that they could draw and empty their revolver in the time it took us to ready ourselves to fire. This was due to the fact we still used the flap holster as did the RCMP. Seems ironic that now all civilian forces carry the the 9mm!! I still prefer the 9mm over the ACP45 and the auto's over the revolver!
I feel old when I remind myself that other things such as bullet proof vests, spike belts, tasers and pepper spray, air support and other crap weren't even heard of yet. Officers being spit on while making arrests was a common occurrence and definitely not considered life threatening. 🙄 😆
9mm Revolvers have been out a long time since early 90's or before ,not knocking your new revolver just pointing out they have been around for a long time,personally if push comes to shove I prefer my 45 auto's, much easier to control and in canada no mag disadvantages. I was at a course with some JTF personal who could draw and fire from a flapped holster in the same time constraints as most of the others with unflapped holsters, was a lesson in practice.
Let us know your new firearm performs, and as a question is it rated for +p+ ammo?
supermag
9mm Revolvers have been out a long time since early 90's or before ,not knocking your new revolver just pointing out they have been around for a long time,personally if push comes to shove I prefer my 45 auto's, much easier to control and in canada no mag disadvantages. I was at a course with some JTF personal who could draw and fire from a flapped holster in the same time constraints as most of the others with unflapped holsters, was a lesson in practice.
Let us know your new firearm performs, and as a question is it rated for +p+ ammo?
supermag
In my day, we didn't keep one in the chamber and would have been summarily beaten if caught doing so. On occasion when I tried the ankle holster, it chaffed so bad during a 12 hour shift that I was raw. The shoulder holster we were given wasn't much better as you walked with your left arm slightly further out. Maybe there are better models out there now, but the 38 in a belt holster was the least obstructive hide/carry with comfort.(The 38 was a chicks sidearm in the military so I never admitted that in those days 😆 😆 )
9mm Revolvers have been out a long time since early 90's or before ,not knocking your new revolver just pointing out they have been around for a long time,personally if push comes to shove I prefer my 45 auto's, much easier to control and in canada no mag disadvantages. I was at a course with some JTF personal who could draw and fire from a flapped holster in the same time constraints as most of the others with unflapped holsters, was a lesson in practice.
Let us know your new firearm performs, and as a question is it rated for +p+ ammo?
supermag
I honestly can't find any specification, I can't even find this particular gun on the manufacturer website. It might take +P+. I think it shares a frame with their 357 model so it wouldn't really surprise me.
Still waiting for the registration to come in the mail, but I'm chomping at the bit to try this at the range.
So why did you choose to purchase a revolver over automatic? You seem very determined as you paid double what an auto would have cost and for something quite rare. Parts will be hard to acquire. Leaving a round under the hammer is never a good idea. I know that mag springs weaken if they remain loaded but they have so many advantages to outweigh that aspect. I understand the choice of 9mm as it is easier to handle when returning to fire position after the last shot. Folks like the 45 cal for hitting power but never consider that raid fire with a 45 is far less achievable. A 9mm auto is a slimmer choice due to it's narrower mag and is far more comfortable to handle easily too. Try a variety shoot sometime with all three above weapons and see which you enjoy most and which you make the most hits with. This is how one should determine his sidearm...a shootout!
I'm curious where the 9mm revolver stands in this... Probably as nice as shooting a 38 is and that is still good. The longer pull of the double action affects the next shot more though than an automatic does IMO.
So why did you choose to purchase a revolver over automatic? You seem very determined as you paid double what an auto would have cost and for something quite rare. Parts will be hard to acquire. Leaving a round under the hammer is never a good idea. I know that mag springs weaken if they remain loaded but they have so many advantages to outweigh that aspect. I understand the choice of 9mm as it is easier to handle when returning to fire position after the last shot. Folks like the 45 cal for hitting power but never consider that raid fire with a 45 is far less achievable. A 9mm auto is a slimmer choice due to it's narrower mag and is far more comfortable to handle easily too. Try a variety shoot sometime with all three above weapons and see which you enjoy most and which you make the most hits with. This is how one should determine his sidearm...a shootout!
I'm curious where the 9mm revolver stands in this... Probably as nice as shooting a 38 is and that is still good. The longer pull of the double action affects the next shot more though than an automatic does IMO.
Oh I've got plenty of semi-autos. More than enough for prepping purposes. 9mm is my chosen calibre because it's accurate and I think it will shoot through cover better than a 45.
Revolvers do have their charm. Even a Glock is more complicated to operate. The best of us can still be all thumbs if we're half asleep on the couch and some thugs kick down the door. The revolver is just idiot proof, that's why I favor them for home defense.
Leaving a round under the hammer is never a good idea. I know that mag springs weaken if they remain loaded..... The longer pull of the double action affects the next shot more though than an automatic does IMO.
Three things, bossman:
1-A round under the hammer is no different than loading a mag, racking the slide, and holstering (which is how many/most U.S. law enforcement & military carry now and a fair number of CCW license holders carry, plus almost all from-the-holster shooting events, the latter of which are known for extra safety measures). The empty chamber under the hammer is a holdover from cowboy days, when the firing pin was actually directly attached to the hammer and a hard bump or fall could set it off. Since the 80s-90s and in some cases earlier, revolvers now have a transfer bar so that unless the hammer (exposed or subdued, either way, SA or DA) is fully locked back, the bar prevents the firing pin from making contact.
2 - Just an addition: leaving a magazine 1-3 rounds shy doesn't actually have any effect on spring lock (Knuckle never said it did, I'm just throwing it out there). Rotating magazines and replacing magazines with good hard-use (although more $$$) magazines can mitigate spring lock.
Also, magazines periodically need cleaned, too, although with less frequency than the firearms, and a light coat of good oil or grease or powder lube can help extend the life of springs pretty much everywhere (cold, humid, arid environments). Once a year, once every 3 years is all it takes. ROT is the same lubricant for the mag as is called for by the firearm either by manufacturer or by temperature.
3-Unless it's an internal hammer, most DA revolvers can still be cocked for a SA trigger pull. I have a couple of hammerless with shorter, crisper trigger pulls than the 1911 that is my baby or the 9mm platform that Mr. P is devoted to.
There is some gunsmithing that can be done to lighten pretty much any trigger, from simply removing one spring from inside the grip of a Vaquero SA to some file work on the sear of a DA. Trigger kits are also available for many common platforms, either as at-home drop-in replacements or for the local gunsmith, or companies can sometimes be contacted to factory install an upgrade before a firearm is shipped.
I know a couple of CAS/SASS shooters who can fire 6 shots from a SA or DA revolver as fast or faster and just as accurately as they can with an equivalent-powered semi. There are a number of the top competition shooters in IPSEC and IDPA who use DA revolvers. Practice, practice, practice. It doesn't have to be range time; snap caps or dummies work just fine for that kind of practice (and revolvers allow for more realistic non-live-ammo practices, since it doesn't impede their action the way it does a semi).
So why did you choose to purchase a revolver over automatic?
Again, nothing relating to anything so far in this section, but there are a couple of advantages to a revolver.
And before we jump up and go "semi hater" please understand that my daily carry is a semi-automatic because of the slimmer profile of the firearm and the slimmer profile of the reload (although you can use stripper clips to reload some sizes of rimmed cartridges two at a time and not have the bulk of a moon clip or half-moon or speed loader).
- Hand strength
Most revolvers are easier to manipulated for people with less hand strength (slide release for firing and reloads and malfunctions, disassembly for cleaning, reassembly).
- Mechanically disinclined
With fewer parts, even major breakdowns of revolvers tend to be easier to reassemble due simply to the number of parts and the obvious ways they go together, and that appeals to some. Many revolvers also require less disassembly for access for thorough cleaning.
-Reliability
A lot of revolvers are simply tanks and don't quit.
Especially in rimfire, ammo selectiveness is a nonissue, compared to finding the right round for a semi-auto to cycle reliably and be most accurate.
In a future with old ammo no longer kept 65-80 degrees F and possibly grease/oil getting past the seal and rendering powder or primer inert or settling powder toward the bullet, performance might become an issue:
--- in the case of a dud a cylinder can simply be rotated to the next shot, no immediate or remedial action needed
--- in the case of a squib, a cylinder can be opened (partially if necessary) and eyeline through the barrel becomes unrestricted, allowing for confirmation of a blocking bullet and a 3# rock or hammer or a clear barrel and the ability to close up and re-engage.
--- in the case of a non-catastrophic case rupture that prevents removal, the other chambers can be reloaded and a second trigger pull or hammer-trigger combo skips over that round until it's convenient to hammer the booger out
* For the squib and a ruptured and jammed case, the semi requires a penlight or disassembly or rod to be poked through to see if there is a blockage, and sometimes some serious hammering to get it out.
Just some other aspects of revolvers to consider.
Ah, now I remember many of these same points being said back in the day. They were arguments that civi officers used on us over coffee and neither side was swayed in the end 😆 😆 . We bragged that our continuous training overcame such issues while secretly knowing that they might have a point. 🙄 I too tried privately to time my draws from a pathetic flap holster. I never ever carried with one in the chamber as senior MP's often demanded weapons checks randomly and any infractions were beat into you...literally! ( Once just wearing a regular tie,as my issued clip-ons were in the laundry, bought me a hard lesson in strangulation with many other officers to witness and learn from....ah, the good ol days 🙄 ) What civi officers never admitted in my day is that much of their tactics and equipment originate from the military. The cross strap on the sam brown holster was first dropped by MP's as it provided a non-breaking handhold while fighting. ( I don't care how much combat training you have, when an outsider grabs hold and starts a rotation swing, your on the outside of the arc making time...) 😆 😆
I was really interested in why he was so determined to have this specific revolver and pay so much more. Did he shoot someone elses first and fall in love?
As a machinist, I work with metal and have to know rockwell hardness, machinability, etc., ect. I now know for fact that such things as springs lose their strength over time, loaded, even quicker. (Look at how your car suspension sags over time.) I too prefer auto's due their narrow profile and was amazed at how some old training still remains tucked away in the brain cap, and leaks out into one's reflexes when handling a friends sidearms. As stated elsewhere, I have no intentions of of possessing restricted weapons these days.
I was really interested in why he was so determined to have this specific revolver and pay so much more. Did he shoot someone elses first and fall in love?
As revolvers go this one is actually cheap at $560. But basically I've got enough cheap semi-autos for SHTF purposes that I can indulge in collecting a little.
Still wouldn't have bought it if I didn't think it served a purpose. My slimmer 9mm semi-autos can be the grocery getters in a SHTF situation while the reliable and scary revolvers can defend the home. And after 50 years the revolvers might be the only functional firearms left. It's just good to have variety.
I was really interested in why he was so determined to have this specific revolver and pay so much more. Did he shoot someone elses first and fall in love?
As revolvers go this one is actually cheap at $560. But basically I've got enough cheap semi-autos for SHTF purposes that I can indulge in collecting a little.
Still wouldn't have bought it if I didn't think it served a purpose. My slimmer 9mm semi-autos can be the grocery getters in a SHTF situation while the reliable and scary revolvers can defend the home. And after 50 years the revolvers might be the only functional firearms left. It's just good to have variety.
I have to agree with that! My brother has a 1893 Calvary issued breach-break 22 revolver and it still works. Revolvers are durable!
Another factor that I must admit I like is that it is easier to feel the action of the revolver when squeezing the trigger on a revolver. To this day I reason I was so occupied with the thought that my 9mm might accidentally fire when I drew down as a P/O was that i knew the weapon had sometimes fired before I expected it to at the range the range. Auto's don't have that sensitivity that can be obtained with a revolver when doing the squeeze....and a hair trigger when in high adrenaline situations would be a real bad thing! Still take the auto any day though as my primary!




