Amen.

meh. I fear the greater evil is the hardcore Liberals and Socialists. Nobody in their right mind would ever want to willingly live under a fascist regime.

Haters are always gonna hate, but they hard ones are very very few in number. The majority of hater supporters are the same as any other group...they'll change their minds as soon as the wind blows the other way.

Those hardcore Liberals and Socialists though, they manipulate and guilt the majority into getting their own way. It's always " for the children" or they seem to always know whats better for us then we do - although we've never met. And when manipulating and guilt don't work or aren't working fast enough, they'll sick the dogs they have working for them on you.

Everyone wants to villify Mussolini and Hitler for what they did. And frankly they do deserve it. But everyone seems to forget that they were socialists. And communism has killed more then both of them put together.

.I here this argument a lot now days. Its easy to the write off the Hitler loving skinheads as somehow socialist. In a very selective reading of history, people seem to miss that the first thing the Nazis did was round up the Socialists and trade unionists. Me suspects some revisionism has been taking place in a political advertising firm in a wag the dog, 1984 double speak sort of way. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Socialism if Fascism. Just because something gets said over and over doesn't make it true.
Im not a socialist but have been watching this and scratching my head.
If you look around to The Arian Brotherhood, The Golden Dawn, The Christian Patriots Defence League, The Klan, White Power, Christian Identity Movement, The British Defence league, The Aryan Nations, even Gary North and Rushdoonys Christian Reconstructionism, I assure you All of these groups share the hatred of socialists and liberals. There is nothing socialist about them. They are all a Republicans, Republican and then some.

And they are waiting. Patiently. Stoking the flames. They are getting traction and they are getting louder. They are using our boards and our momentum. Some times we forget, Survivalism CREATED all of these groups if you look into their history. I can be honest about that. Its one of the reasons we use the term Prepper now days.

Don't take my word for it. You all have a computer in front of you. Look It Up

My monthly rant;
We have never seen true communism in its intended form, though Cuba probably comes close. We have seen Stalinism which was a form of Fascism, in that it was a single leader and his cronies who held the reigns of power rather than large corporations. It was not communism that starved millions of people into submission, it was a paranoid lunatic. As the war ended, Americans needed something to hate so that they could be controlled, and hence we still refer to it that way. How many millions of lives have been lost because of the pursuit of wealth and American materialism? Ask the Vietnamese or the Central American indigenous peoples or anyone else who had something that an American corporation wanted.

True communism would be like Star Trek; no money, everyone goes to the same schools without privilege and everyone works for the benefit of themselves and their community. (Sounds like a pretty good prepper commune oddly enough)

It would be interesting to see how Cuba would be functioning without the American's economic blockade. Even with it, they still manage to send doctors to other 3rd world nations.

If capitalism is so wonderful, why do the richest 150 individuals in America have more wealth than the bottom 150 million (approx)? Are 150 million people all lazy and stupid? According to every libertarian doctrine I come across; they are poor, therefore they are lazy.

It is not about reallocating wealth from the middle class such as the readers on this forum. It is about considering how it is possible for so much wealth to be scraped away from each of us and into the pockets of the very few, very wealthy.

I'm far enough off topic now, so I'll shut up.

It's not just an economic collapse that's involved but that coupled with peak oil and global warming/environmental collapse. The latter two predicaments will make the first look like a walk in the park.

meh. I fear the greater evil is the hardcore Liberals and Socialists. Nobody in their right mind would ever want to willingly live under a fascist regime.

Haters are always gonna hate, but they hard ones are very very few in number. The majority of hater supporters are the same as any other group...they'll change their minds as soon as the wind blows the other way.

Those hardcore Liberals and Socialists though, they manipulate and guilt the majority into getting their own way. It's always " for the children" or they seem to always know whats better for us then we do - although we've never met. And when manipulating and guilt don't work or aren't working fast enough, they'll sick the dogs they have working for them on you.

Everyone wants to villify Mussolini and Hitler for what they did. And frankly they do deserve it. But everyone seems to forget that they were socialists. And communism has killed more then both of them put together.

This is a pretty uninformed, fear mongering post. I don't think you even mentioned one particular fact that supports your claim. Off the top of my head I can name the deaths of over 1000 women(Mothers, sisters, daughters) attributed to greed, and ultimately to capitalism. But I myself value capitalism and think it's natural, so what does that make me?

You should try doing more research instead of watching sun news and basing your 'worldly opinion' off of internet gossip.

meh. I fear the greater evil is the hardcore Liberals and Socialists. Nobody in their right mind would ever want to willingly live under a fascist regime.

Haters are always gonna hate, but they hard ones are very very few in number. The majority of hater supporters are the same as any other group...they'll change their minds as soon as the wind blows the other way.

Those hardcore Liberals and Socialists though, they manipulate and guilt the majority into getting their own way. It's always " for the children" or they seem to always know whats better for us then we do - although we've never met. And when manipulating and guilt don't work or aren't working fast enough, they'll sick the dogs they have working for them on you.

Everyone wants to villify Mussolini and Hitler for what they did. And frankly they do deserve it. But everyone seems to forget that they were socialists. And communism has killed more then both of them put together.

This is a pretty uninformed, fear mongering post. I don't think you even mentioned one particular fact that supports your claim. Off the top of my head I can name the deaths of over 1000 women(Mothers, sisters, daughters) attributed to greed, and ultimately to capitalism. But I myself value capitalism and think it's natural, so what does that make me?

You should try doing more research instead of watching sun news and basing your 'worldly opinion' off of internet gossip.

What? You lost me here.

Where did I fear monger? By stating that fascists and racists aren't really as scary as they seem, because they are only a small few that are truly committed to it...and they are largely cowards hiding behind a mob?

Do you mean that I have made a false claim about Liberalism/Socialism claiming lives? Surely you cannot deny that during Stalin's reign, over 20 million Russians were killed in the name of Communism (look it up). Surely you cannot claim that during the reign's those like Ho Chi Minh or Pol Pot or even the world's new found friend the Chinese gov't hasn't caused the death of millions...in the name of communism?

Or is it that I made claim to Mussolini and Hitler being socialists? Well Mussolini was a well known socialist. In fact he was once leader of Italy's socialist party. I'm certain it's safe to say that one doesn't grow up in a socialist home (his father was also a socialist) and promote and lead a national party of socialists, just to wake up one day and say "hell, I think today I'll be a conservative. Or a monarchist. Or whatever." There must have been some bleed through.
Hitler was a socialist. In fact, a national socialist. There was much in the political and social system that took from "some" to give to "all". He and through the NS leadership, believed they knew what was better for the people of Germany over the people themselves. Not sure where I making things up here or reading it from some tabloid. It's all documented.

If your a capitalist, Great! Congratulations. Not sure what that has to do with the conversation. Was it I offended you by saying that I think Liberals/Socialists are a threat because I say that they strongly believe they know what's best for others and me (sound familiar?) and yet haven't even met me? Was the offense that I stated you can't have an intelligent conversation with one, because no matter what you say to them if you don't agree with them by definition your just wrong? I'm at a loss as to how I'm un-informed and regurgatating some presupposed worldly opinion.

And frankly, if your claiming I'm a sun news spouting junkie...you might as well just apologize. You don't know me from nobody, and therefore have no idea what I truly believe. But if it makes you sleep better at night, I'll just lay to rest your fear that I by no means watch or listen to or even read anything from Sun media or it's affliates or anything. I don't pay attention to Fox either. Or Alex Jones or any other media personality that would lead you to believe that I was a conspiracy freak. I prefer to think for myself. I prefer to come to my conclusions based on observations and facts. I also strongly advocate that not only do I, but you as well, have the perfect right to express what you believe without fear of harm or prosecution - unlike a Liberal/socialist who has a list of more 'dirty' words that can lead to fines or jail time.

Now I'm done.

ARRRG! Just when I am not up for posting....someone starts a flame war on my post. I suppose I will look at it as leadership training. Ill get back to this at a later date...but in the mean time...every time someone brings up the subject of the death toll under Stalin or Pol Pot its important to counter it with the death toll by Right Wing Death Squads through out central and south America...as well as America. Amerikas got some splanin to do.

But that's not what this post is about.

Its about, when people feel their future has been lost...they begin to look for scapegoats. "It cant possibly be my fault. It must be THEM"....and that leads to massacres.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm as responsible as every one else.

As I said, I'll get back to this post

I wasn't intending to engage in a flame war. I was just defending myself. And I've really said all that I'm going to in that respect.

I appreciate your position and the intent of the post.

What? You lost me here.

Where did I fear monger? By stating that fascists and racists aren't really as scary as they seem, because they are only a small few that are truly committed to it...and they are largely cowards hiding behind a mob?

Do you mean that I have made a false claim about Liberalism/Socialism claiming lives? Surely you cannot deny that during Stalin's reign, over 20 million Russians were killed in the name of Communism (look it up). Surely you cannot claim that during the reign's those like Ho Chi Minh or Pol Pot or even the world's new found friend the Chinese gov't hasn't caused the death of millions...in the name of communism?

Or is it that I made claim to Mussolini and Hitler being socialists? Well Mussolini was a well known socialist. In fact he was once leader of Italy's socialist party. I'm certain it's safe to say that one doesn't grow up in a socialist home (his father was also a socialist) and promote and lead a national party of socialists, just to wake up one day and say "hell, I think today I'll be a conservative. Or a monarchist. Or whatever." There must have been some bleed through.
Hitler was a socialist. In fact, a national socialist. There was much in the political and social system that took from "some" to give to "all". He and through the NS leadership, believed they knew what was better for the people of Germany over the people themselves. Not sure where I making things up here or reading it from some tabloid. It's all documented.

If your a capitalist, Great! Congratulations. Not sure what that has to do with the conversation. Was it I offended you by saying that I think Liberals/Socialists are a threat because I say that they strongly believe they know what's best for others and me (sound familiar?) and yet haven't even met me? Was the offense that I stated you can't have an intelligent conversation with one, because no matter what you say to them if you don't agree with them by definition your just wrong? I'm at a loss as to how I'm un-informed and regurgatating some presupposed worldly opinion.

And frankly, if your claiming I'm a sun news spouting junkie...you might as well just apologize. You don't know me from nobody, and therefore have no idea what I truly believe. But if it makes you sleep better at night, I'll just lay to rest your fear that I by no means watch or listen to or even read anything from Sun media or it's affliates or anything. I don't pay attention to Fox either. Or Alex Jones or any other media personality that would lead you to believe that I was a conspiracy freak. I prefer to think for myself. I prefer to come to my conclusions based on observations and facts. I also strongly advocate that not only do I, but you as well, have the perfect right to express what you believe without fear of harm or prosecution - unlike a Liberal/socialist who has a list of more 'dirty' words that can lead to fines or jail time.

Now I'm done.

Hitler and Stalin were many things. We would do well to understand this, also to remember that the Germans and Austrians wanted it. A lot of Europeans did, here... http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/02/unrepentant-nazi-killer-of-dutch-civilians-heinrich-boere-dies-at-92/

Winston Churchill is responsible for the condition and extremist nature of modern day Iran. He also advocated gassing middle easterners, and compared them to dogs. Were talking about two different animals here. There's always a flip side to Imperialism.

There are many threats to our way of life, but I don't think either Conservatism or Liberalism is either one. Those are just moments in time of popular opinion. The majority of voters seem to sway in partisanship with each and every decade. It's not so bad.

I'm talking about your straw man argument. The "evil Liberals and socialist" and how you blurred the two. It's a new century. North America has nothing to fear from independent egomaniac dictators, at least in North America. We know this. At least I think you should know this.

You may not watch Sun news. You kinda sound like you do though, admit it. What you stated was controversy, not fact. I'm telling you how to think? Nah, I rip on liberals the same way, it's nothing personal. Criticism is good.

The point is a lot of issues are not dealt with in the face of right vs left. Right now people are being paid wages so low in the states that the government has to supplement their income with food stamps. That isn't right vs left, that's tax dollars being used so corporations can have slaves. THAT is insane.

How bout that Ketchup plant in Leamington, Ontario that just closed down. That's 700 families, and more. They might as well be refugees now, where they gonna move to, Windsor??? It's bad either way. Think about it, the more people jumping on welfare, the more tax dollars were gonna have to spend, right?

There is a regime change coming and it's feudal. Keep in mind that is a loose term, but that's pretty much it.

EDIT- I guess what I mean to say is people give in to fascism cause they don't know any better. We gotta have all the facts before we descend on one problem.

This will be shorter than I had hoped since I am posting at the public library as my home provider has let me down. (The irony of being saved by socialism to post this is not lost on me nor the disappointment of privatisation)

Im sure a few people wonder what my political position is. I saw a T shirt once that made me laugh. It said...
Fiscally Conservative
Socially Liberal
Sexually Libertarian

My political views really are of no concern to my posts on prepping. For many, now days, the two are wrapped up into one and I find this dangerous. There are many "experts" who use our cultural, economic, and enviormental concerns and thus our interest in prepping or self reliance, to frighten people into self serving political agendas. Thus we have the Glen becks and Michael Moores. Peter Josephs Zightgiest and Alex Jones End Game. I fear these folks are going to get a lot of people killed. They are creating there own Self Fulfilling prophesy.

As cynical of socialism as I might be, When I see much of the shear blood thirst hatred of "Socialists" I have to ask myself why. In this case I will go to my socialist friends defence. (By the way, When seeing similar hatred towards Conservatives, I often speak to defend them, explaining similar values that they share, and basically translating the two "languages")

Yes, people fear the Stalins and Pol Pots. Any socialist would. Its really a mental leap to call any of these megalomaniac mad men that ruled by terror, socialist nor should anyone worried about health care or welfare be concerned about mass exterminations. When I see my socialist leaning friends I know there influences are socialists like...
Mahatma Ghandi
Marten Luther King
Nelson Mandela
All who taught forgiveness, love for your enemies and social justice for the oppressed.

There was a military philosopher that I will paraphrase. " When you fight with someone for a long time, you come to understand them. Once you understand them, you come to love them".

The fear related in the first post was to inform you all that as people lose control of their lives, many will turn to those that offer them easy answers or play of their baser instincts. You will all have to be wary of groups like this that suddenly appear. You may find that you now live next door to them or under their newly liberated regime.

But as for understanding the others that we fear, I would like to leave you all with a wonderful short debate between three often misunderstood, social movements. Anarchism, Socialism and Libertarianism. Its short enough to not lose attention. What I would like you all to concentrate on is what they have in common. How they are fighting the same enemy...but have a bit of trouble speaking the same language. Ive always said, these are just different faces of the same social movement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8YsTkJNA3s