That comment is sorta funny a considering that it comes from someone named SingleCell, 😆 but I agree wholeheartedly with the deduction. But I doubt they meant that they would refuse commerce and trade. But folks here are asking why after they did all the work and did without, why others should benefit by enjoying themselves and having done nothing. Hard not to see that logic too....

But to lose compassion for your fellow man likely takes us down a path to finalizing that only the strong should survive and the weak perish... when shall we just start tossing our sick and old off a cliff.... now or later?

Back to that wait and see it seems!

ahah yeah I know. I came on a little too harshly. To be honest I gotta big problem with "talkers" talkin and talkin and talkin about how "hard" and how "cold" they are when really they just lack strategic and long term knowledge and problem solving.

If I was unprepared and I had to protect myself, and I knew there was someone who was stocked for months or years I'd probably tell others and collectively raid em. Good luck to the sole survivor prepper and his family with keeping watch 24/7, I'm sure that'll work wonderfully for ya.

Don't get me wrong, you don't know how many times people have told me "if there is an apocalypse I'm coming to you" even mothers and fathers have said that. I don't need anyone really. People need me. Cripes I spent the last few days writing a friends resume and cover letter, sharing ideas and links on job opportunities. My ideology of compassion, the ability to share knowledge, and the naturally human ability to rely on each other and share resources and ideas are what separate us from the animals.

One of the first signs of human intelligence was discovering that primitives chewed food for those who had no teeth.

For real, I can't understand what kind of person emulates this !@#$... really... I'm sitting here shaking my head "Oh I'm so cool and badass, I'm gonna shoot my friends for not preparing for the end of the world, I'm so hard, I don't givva !@#$ survival of the most paranoid."

Do you realize how insane and unstable that sounds? That this man has an unhealthy vision of himself and that he is projecting it on the way he thinks of others? I'm not saying that his decisions are wrong, it's his thought process. Who would follow, relate or idolize someone like this??? It's practically hubris, and is definitely delusional.

Touche! This is why we need history buffs too! To remind us as to how we advanced into a civilized society. I think that the north American native is our best example if we all would maybe take the time to study them. If you had no refrigeration, a group could still consume large game before the meat spoiled. Some could forage while others planted. Some could fish to supplement the diet further. Some could watch over others while they slept. Dang, it appears they have a community.. 👿 Why didn't we think of that?

In bad times, we might break up into smaller groups to survive. We might bond with other groups or we might war instead...why worry? My point is that we need one another and we need to build trust as that is the item that is no longer in much commodity these days.

For real, I can't understand what kind of person emulates this !@#$... really... I'm sitting here shaking my head "Oh I'm so cool and badass, I'm gonna shoot my friends for not preparing for the end of the world, I'm so hard, I don't givva !@#$ survival of the most paranoid."

Do you realize how insane and unstable that sounds? That this man has an unhealthy vision of himself and that he is projecting it on the way he thinks of others? I'm not saying that his decisions are wrong, it's his thought process. Who would follow, relate or idolize someone like this??? It's practically hubris.

I have to say that I took your comments personally. I believe if you look that the comments you will see people are not saying that they would not help others just they will not help specific people. That is the bases for charity without the SHTF. A person has for the most part limited resources. You can not help everyone so you must choose who you help or you put yourself at risk. I know that there are those that make me feel like a bank, that refuse to take responsibility for their actions. I would rather help the single mother down the street that I have never had a conservation with about being prepared as I know she struggles to make ends meet now. I help people on a regular bases now that have those kinds of issues. However I feel little sympathy for those that make their own issues because of the attitude that someone else will make their problems go away.

When the power went out in my neighbour for days, I was the one at the edge of my property feeding the neighbours. I have the that right to help those I want to based on my opinions. I really doubt that you can help everyone that would come to you for help. You too may one day have to make that choice. Then again if you feel you would never have to make that choice, please let me know how you are going to manage it. I too will take those steps to make sure that I can help everyone.

And really that's why we discuss such a topic as this! It helps define where we might later draw that line if the time comes. I don't know where I will draw that line and accept that I won't until I either reach out a hand to help or point a gun! I doubt I'd ever do the 2nd but I never say never! 😯

I like Old School's definition that it is his prerogative whether to help as it indeed is. And there is always that threat of what others will do in response to your choices. That's life too. I've backed away from a fight and ran head on into them too. Seems I never know what I'll do until I do it. I indeed know a few whom I doubt I would share with and I'm betting many of you have equivalent persons in mind when you mention this subject too. So be it! I'm betting they wouldn't share with you either if the tides were turned so again, don't stress over it! 😎

well if you are referrring to " me " being single with dogs , being cold and heartless
I am not saying I want to be alone or do it alone, just that I need people with knowledge and hopefully supplies to pool our resources.
It is going to have to depend on what they have to offer or bring.

I am prepping for myself and my dogs. If I have enough for 1 year, and 12 people with dogs appear , without supplies / knowledge,
now I have 1 months only . I have to think carefully . Will 1 months get through the SHTF situation ( perhaps it is only a 2 week power outage )

I just can't afford , nor do I have the room to stock up for 1 year for 12 people, food needs to be rotated and used , and for me to stock supplies
for 12 people means 12 years . Plus if it is a short term 2 week situation, will they
help rebuild my supplies after the SHTF ? Or do I need to scrimp and save to get my 1 year supplies for 1 person and 2 dogs back while
they continue to be lazy and buy new cars and take trips .

There is one person for sure that I would let come here, who would have no supplies . But this person has knowledge and lots of skills.
So now if I have 1 year supplies, we are down to 6 months. There is another person if he came would get let in as he has
knowledge and skills opposite to the other. So now that is 12 months / 3 people = 4 months left. I know both have zero supplies,
however both of them I know 100% I can trust. My efforts to get them to prepare are fruitless. One sibling is prepping.

So all I can hope for is what do they have to offer , in skills, knowlege, supplies, or maybe they are hard working and could do manual laundry
and pitch in with chores, however I don't have room for anyone lazy . Everyone would have to pitch in, even kids.
So because I have to say screen who I let in , as it will affect my survival , now I am considered cold and heartless ?

I agree with Knucke, it is wait and see. Each SHTF situation will be unique and different. Hopefully we get some small short term
situations first, where neighbors pitch in and help each other and you get a feel for what might come in the future in help nearby.
And then you can re-evaluate your supplies, and skills missing .

Everyone has an opinion, and whether they want to only let their circle of pre-approved people, thereby letting no others in,
or whether they want to help everyone, we as preppers should not be shunning or planning to raid other preppers because our
philosophy is different on how best to deal with those people that say " i will come to your house as your have everything "

For real, I can't understand what kind of person emulates this !@#$... really... I'm sitting here shaking my head "Oh I'm so cool and badass, I'm gonna shoot my friends for not preparing for the end of the world, I'm so hard, I don't givva !@#$ survival of the most paranoid."

Do you realize how insane and unstable that sounds? That this man has an unhealthy vision of himself and that he is projecting it on the way he thinks of others? I'm not saying that his decisions are wrong, it's his thought process. Who would follow, relate or idolize someone like this??? It's practically hubris.

I have to say that I took your comments personally. I believe if you look that the comments you will see people are not saying that they would not help others just they will not help specific people. That is the bases for charity without the SHTF. A person has for the most part limited resources. You can not help everyone so you must choose who you help or you put yourself at risk. I know that there are those that make me feel like a bank, that refuse to take responsibility for their actions. I would rather help the single mother down the street that I have never had a conservation with about being prepared as I know she struggles to make ends meet now. I help people on a regular bases now that have those kinds of issues. However I feel little sympathy for those that make their own issues because of the attitude that someone else will make their problems go away.

When the power went out in my neighbour for days, I was the one at the edge of my property feeding the neighbours. I have the that right to help those I want to based on my opinions. I really doubt that you can help everyone that would come to you for help. You too may one day have to make that choice. Then again if you feel you would never have to make that choice, please let me know how you are going to manage it. I too will take those steps to make sure that I can help everyone.

I hear you man. Don't take it personally, as I was addressing the author of the article. Some maniac.

I've been a giver, I've provided food, shelter, money whatever. Just like you. And I've had to make some tough calls and say, "I can't help you." And I've been cursed, and sometimes they stop talking too me. Other times, the favour is returned and I say thank god for good friends.

The idea of talking about shooting your friends in the head is disgusting. It's not normal, it's not cool, and no, it doesn't make you look tough. There are psychological issues there.

well if you are referrring to " me " being single with dogs , being cold and heartless
I am not saying I want to be alone or do it alone, just that I need people with knowledge and hopefully supplies to pool our resources.
It is going to have to depend on what they have to offer or bring.

I am prepping for myself and my dogs. If I have enough for 1 year, and 12 people with dogs appear , without supplies / knowledge,
now I have 1 months only . I have to think carefully . Will 1 months get through the SHTF situation ( perhaps it is only a 2 week power outage )

I just can't afford , nor do I have the room to stock up for 1 year for 12 people, food needs to be rotated and used , and for me to stock supplies
for 12 people means 12 years . Plus if it is a short term 2 week situation, will they
help rebuild my supplies after the SHTF ? Or do I need to scrimp and save to get my 1 year supplies for 1 person and 2 dogs back while
they continue to be lazy and buy new cars and take trips .

There is one person for sure that I would let come here, who would have no supplies . But this person has knowledge and lots of skills.
So now if I have 1 year supplies, we are down to 6 months. There is another person if he came would get let in as he has
knowledge and skills opposite to the other. So now that is 12 months / 3 people = 4 months left. I know both have zero supplies,
however both of them I know 100% I can trust. My efforts to get them to prepare are fruitless. One sibling is prepping.

So all I can hope for is what do they have to offer , in skills, knowlege, supplies, or maybe they are hard working and could do manual laundry
and pitch in with chores, however I don't have room for anyone lazy . Everyone would have to pitch in, even kids.
So because I have to say screen who I let in , as it will affect my survival , now I am considered cold and heartless ?

I agree with Knucke, it is wait and see. Each SHTF situation will be unique and different. Hopefully we get some small short term
situations first, where neighbors pitch in and help each other and you get a feel for what might come in the future in help nearby.
And then you can re-evaluate your supplies, and skills missing .

Everyone has an opinion, and whether they want to only let their circle of pre-approved people, thereby letting no others in,
or whether they want to help everyone, we as preppers should not be shunning or planning to raid other preppers because our
philosophy is different on how best to deal with those people that say " i will come to your house as your have everything "

I really hate to point this out to you, but what makes you think you won't need someone else's help?

Where did I ever say I was planning on staying alone in a SHTF or wanted to be alone .
It's in the first few lines that you quoted from me :

""well if you are referrring to " me " being single with dogs , being cold and heartless
I am not saying I want to be alone or do it alone, just that I need people with knowledge and hopefully supplies to pool our resources.
It is going to have to depend on what they have to offer or bring.
""

I am only saying I am currently living alone with dogs so prepping for 1 person and dogs.

I already know that you need others in a SHTF, I am just saying that I will have to be selective as to who I let in here
and buddy up with, otherwise my 1 year of supplies is going to get depleted by 12 people in 1 month.

Does that means I should stop prepping for myself because I don't have the resources to supply for 12 people ?
( I am referring to those freeloaders that see you prepping and do nothing and say " i will just come to your house ")

I already mentioned I have 2 friends that have no supplies , but they have skills and knowledge. So now my
1 year supplies is down to 4 months for 3 adults.

I would think I would be a desirable addition to some small community if I came with supplies, skills,
knowledge, and I'm not lazy. I understand not everyone has money to have any prepping supplies
so now it is being assumed that because I am only prepping for 1 person with dogs for 1 year,
that I must want to be alone in a SHTF.

For what it is worth, I do plan to get to 2 - 3 years supplies for 1 person with dogs at some point,
it is a work in progress.

I used to try to wrap my head around how I would know when I really would have enough supplies. When some mentioned a years worth I thought that would be a tall order. Then when others have mentioned up to 5 years I figured that to be overboard. I guess that it depends on what you scenario each prepares for. When I finally concluded that growing a garden would resolve alot by offering a reliable means of replenishment, it presented a light at the end of a tunnel.

Too bad I know nothing about gardening! So then I figured I should at least have some seed. Then I later realized that folks have to truck decent soil in here and wondered then how much I'd need. After seeing this and many other things I'd need to factor before I had a decent answer, I saw another spreadsheet as the only way to achieve this. You can see all the options and questions regarding each plant and thus you can then see all the factoring that went into determining how to formulate a correct answer as to how big your garden must be. I also assumed that many others knew nothing about gardening too and therefore tried to answer every question I had on the subject in that sheet.

The point I try to get past to you others is that I resolved many issues with the completion of that program. I no longer had to guess just how far my supplies would last. I no longer had to worry about getting the proper nutrition as I covered that too. Or worry that I had way to much of one item and couldn't foresee that I was short on another. When folks pointed out that we'd likely require double the calorie intake in hard times, I modified for that. What amazed me most was that the food stores I did have weren't even close to a balanced diet and also that they wouldn't last anywhere near as long as I'd presumed. By removing the guesswork, I now knew exactly what I had and could now now run scenarios for various other contingencies.

I did watch a few prepper episodes to note the fact many used 5 gallon pails for their supplies to make them mobile if need be. I wrote using this premiss as one could then simply mark the pails to note their contents. That then helped me create an inventory system that really works. Now locating supplies became another relief and one could sell or barter a pailfull of food and easily modify the program to compensate.

Do you see where I'm going with this? Alot of issues that gave me worry became less bothersome as I now had a solution to many aspects. When a person knocks on the door, I will be able to better formulate a proper answer I can live with due to having done my homework. Maybe others should try it too and see if life is maybe a little less stressful by inputting the data required and see what you can and can't do! Events change and so do many other factors. When you think of a possible crisis, you just change things to simulate the requirements and read the answer. And if you find flaws in the answer...tell me!~

Well said Knuckle it is more about sustainable resources over the long haul.

Going back to the original post:
"So, my grasshopper friend (as in the story of the grasshopper and the ant), here is your official warning: if your “plan” for your and your family’s safety is to come to my place, you’re wrong. When you show up, I’ll ask you to leave. When you don’t, I’ll point a gun in your face. If you refuse to leave, I will shoot you. You are a threat to me.
I hope this message jolted you. There’s still some time. Go prep. Please understand that your plan cannot be “I’ll come to your place.” I don’t want to shoot you.

I believe this part was meant to shock someone into action. Then again I can be a little naive.

Knuckle ,

I've been meaning to look again at your spreadsheets ,,,
was saving for winter stuff, were are they again ?

So if everyone wants to supply for everyone that comes along , they better
try out your spreadsheet to make sure they will be able to do it,
and have their rude awakening now, while there is still time to prepare.

Get them while their Hot.....

- Food Stores Program: http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=4917

- What Gun You Need: http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=5049

- How to Build a Decent First Aid Kit http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=5070

Buy all 4 today and I'll even throw in a free coloring book for the visually impaired....(yes, I said 4) 😆

Hot to ask yourself; how many friends you got? 20 people come to your place expecting to be fed indefinitely, can you keep that up it there are no stores? If you had food for your family of 4 for 10 months then 24 people will have food for just over a month and a half. Stores gone in 2 months top, maybe 3, but not enough to get through winter and to plant seeds- if you have enough seeds to plant that will feed 24 people.

You might think hunting will feed many. Will it? All those unprepared in the big cities with firearms- remember 1 in 10 own firearms in Canada, and on average 5 per person so every other unprepared person and their brother and cousin will be armed and looking for game. And if SHTF, and you do shoot a gun then the hungry masses will come looking for food like zombies.

So if I have enough for my family of 4 for 6 months then how many can take in? The 4 for 6 months doesn't include my 2 dogs who eat scraps. If we have a bad winter I would already not have enough to get through till spring, why would I take in others- especially those who wouldn't help out while times were good.

Those who know me know I like having a firearm or two. Only 2 families know I prep for shtf, one I wouldn't take in because to him gold is a better investment than food. The other hunts, fishes and is semi-reliable, him I would take in.

One thing we all seem to agree on is that who to help and who not to help is a difficult question.
In regards to shooting your neighbor/friend/whatever in the head, well keep in mind that it may be easier to hand over a grocery bag of meager supplies and send them on their way if you must.
Many a prepper have come to the conclusion that it is easier to feed them than to shoot them.
Honestly, picking up $25.00 worth of rice and beans could make a lot of "compasion packages".
Also, don't forget, and a lot of preppers do, that life WILL eventually return to normal and you will have to face some serious consequences for serious actions.
As for people showing up with nothing....well ask yourself how they got there.
If they show up in a car, they have resources that they likely didn't know they had.
Battery, alternator, gas, etc.
Sure, you may have to tell them that they are going to sacrifice their vehicle, but at least they DO have something to offer...even raw materials for forging tools that can be bartered!
Desperate people will give up a lot to get what they want or need...
I'm reminded of my scouting days as a youth when we went to a jamboree down in the US.
You see, Canadian scouts have a rather nice looking beret as a hat, the Americans have baseball caps.
One American scout REALLY wanted my beret, and was willing to trade anything for it.
In the end, he did get my beret, but left that jamboree without his hat, first aid kit, compass, canteen, mini survival kit, and ya...even the merit badges in his sache.
I too have a list of people that will be welcomed, and those that will be given a "compasion pack" and sent on their way.
Most of the send offs are in that category because of laziness, not lack of resources, as like I mentioned, many people have resources they don't even know they have.