I agree one will need to evaluate what they have to offer, whether on foot or vehicle and what
that vehicle might contain .

I'm assuming more foot travel for my location from neighbors where people would be
conserving gas, such as people like one neighbor who only stops
at the grocery store daily to buy a tin of this or that. Her house is to the bare minimum of anything.
1 set of warm blankets, no supplies of any kind, absolutely no wilderness skills, no handy skills, nothing.
She has cleaned out her freezer and said it costs too much in electricity . There is not one tin of beans or soup.

I know when I said what if the power goes off, or what if there is a bad snowstorm, and you need some food. Her comment was she
will go in the car and buy at grocery store . It is mind bobbling. She is also the first person to get angry
when the electricity goes out for 5 hours and says the government should make them have to keep it on,
" what are people supposed to do , and how are people expected to good dinner " she will say ... Again I say you can
eat a cold tin of beans.

While it is good to stock up on 25 compassion packs for 25 people , those will also eventually run out,
I'm assuming you mean $ 25 for both beans and rice and split up the rice with 1 can of beans / kit ? Not $ 25.00
and lots of tins of beans for each care package ? They might also need water , and something to cook the rice with

I will add a few compassion kits , to my supplies , but what exactly should it contain and how much stuff ?
But again eventually I will run out of care packages.

2 cups of rice and 1 tin of beans per compassion pack will only last two days / person , they will need to return for more,
and then you might be in this same situation , how to deal with these people. I also agree there is the
need to avoid confrontation, however in long term SHTF , that time will come. There is the need to lay low
and wear and look gray like you have nothing

Also would need to decide how to deal with people that do come more than once, because if you keep giving them
a handout every day or two , they will know that you have a huge amount of supplies and may get nasty on the 3rd time and
bring their friends and guns and bats and say you are starving them. Hopefully by then your pre-selected friends should have
arrived so hopefully you will have someone there watching your back.

I do think it is wise when people say they will come to your place in SHTF, let them know now when the topic comes up that you only have a small
supply for your family or for yourself to last a week, and you will be going to their place , yes it is a lie, but hopefully they will start to realize they should not expect
to come empty handed or expect you to provide for them. We do need to attempt to get more people to start prepping , I know
I always make an effort when the topic comes up to get their brain thinking .

I agree one will need to evaluate what they have to offer, whether on foot or vehicle and what
that vehicle might contain .

I'm assuming more foot travel for my location from neighbors where people would be
conserving gas, such as people like one neighbor who only stops
at the grocery store daily to buy a tin of this or that. Her house is to the bare minimum of anything.
1 set of warm blankets, no supplies of any kind, absolutely no wilderness skills, no handy skills, nothing.
She has cleaned out her freezer and said it costs too much in electricity . There is not one tin of beans or soup.

I know when I said what if the power goes off, or what if there is a bad snowstorm, and you need some food. Her comment was she
will go in the car and buy at grocery store . It is mind bobbling. She is also the first person to get angry
when the electricity goes out for 5 hours and says the government should make them have to keep it on,
" what are people supposed to do , and how are people expected to good dinner " she will say ... Again I say you can
eat a cold tin of beans.

While it is good to stock up on 25 compassion packs for 25 people , those will also eventually run out,
I'm assuming you mean $ 25 for both beans and rice and split up the rice with 1 can of beans / kit ? Not $ 25.00
and lots of tins of beans for each care package ? They might also need water , and something to cook the rice with

I will add a few compassion kits , to my supplies , but what exactly should it contain and how much stuff ?
But again eventually I will run out of care packages.

2 cups of rice and 1 tin of beans per compassion pack will only last two days / person , they will need to return for more,
and then you might be in this same situation , how to deal with these people. I also agree there is the
need to avoid confrontation, however in long term SHTF , that time will come. There is the need to lay low
and wear and look gray like you have nothing

Also would need to decide how to deal with people that do come more than once, because if you keep giving them
a handout every day or two , they will know that you have a huge amount of supplies and may get nasty on the 3rd time and
bring their friends and guns and bats and say you are starving them. Hopefully by then your pre-selected friends should have

I do think it is wise when people say they will come to your place in SHTF, let them know now when the topic comes up that you only have a small
supply for your family or for yourself to last a week, and you will be going to their place , yes it is a lie, but hopefully they will start to realize they should not expect
to come empty handed or expect you to provide for them. We do need to attempt to get more people to start prepping , I know
I always make an effort when the topic comes up to get their brain thinking .

All valid points to consider, but my biggest beef is with the article in the OP...it's a blanket "if I see you at my door I will shoot you" option.
Again, when things get back to normal, and they always do, you will have to answer for your actions.

Going back to the original post:
"If you refuse to leave, I will shoot you. You are a threat to me.
I hope this message jolted you. There’s still some time. Go prep. Please understand that your plan cannot be “I’ll come to your place.” I don’t want to shoot you.

I believe this part was meant to shock someone into action.

Agreed, I think this guy is really trying to shock people into action .. and hopefully make them WAKE UP .

HOW ABOUT THIS LINE .. instead of what the auther said, is this any better :

Please understand I like you but if you show up we have no room for you.
Allowing you in is a threat to the survival of my family and prepping buddies.
Please understand that your plan cannot be " I'll come to your place."
There's still some time . Go prep. Your survival depends on it.

Anybody at your door getting a compassion package (which I first thought was a good idea) would/could get violent if asked to walk away. The idea being that if you have this much to share then share some more.

Agreed, they will want more than 2 cups of rice and a tin of beans. They will look at us as really being stingy.
Then they will come back and want more , or start requesting things. It will not be easy.

They will want water, matches, candles, propane or something to cook with , bread, peanut butter, tin of meat,
diapers ... it goes on

I think we really need to encourage others to prep .

Next time you see your neighbor or friend , say something like , I bought a load of beans on sale, I'm going
to put them away in case the electricity goes off again like last winter in the ice storm.
You should get some too Sally / Sam . See what they say. Then try and encourage them without letting them
know what you are really up to.

So you will now opt to skip the compassion test and just go straight to the threats and killing instead?

The act of compassion is just that. If the individual returns tomorrow, then you will have to deal with that issue tomorrow! If there is no more to give in your determination and the person then turns to violence, that is when you respond with violence in return...not before!

This doesn't mean that you lower your guard so as to leave yourself open to give any such opportunity. It just means that you didn't initiate the violence. Your having prepared in advance only gives you the right to defend that which is yours, not to kill or even threaten others who you just presume might take that which is yours. we can continue to play this "what if " stuff forever and still will resolve nothing.

My answer is that you do what you conscience allows you to do. If you can sleep well at night with the fact that you shared nothing and them lazy bums deserve the consequences, all the power to you. If you gave until you couldn't ( or just couldn't give) and they then tried to take that which you didn't offer, then they must face the possible consequences of those actions as you too would have to if a battle were to ensue.

The difference about worrying over such details is negligible... it won't change anything so don't trouble yourself about that of which you have no control. Have your "give away" packages set aside early or just cut some from your supplies at the time their needed...that's moot too as is the point whether or not they return. It all comes down to the point where you say no and if they accept this answer and go away or opt to now take from you instead. What you do then had best be that which you intend to live with forever and the same goes for your opponent. It's sad but then that's how life rolls!

I really like Goldie's way of motivating or at least attempting to motivate others with such offers...Bravo!

Knuckle ,not skipping, but they will want more, they will be angry at you when they go home and see what
you gave them won't last more than 2 days / person. Or they might eat it all in one day and not ration.
Will have to be careful, and like you said don't start the violence.

Will have to look and stay gray so they don't realize you have a stash. Have your baggie garden clothes
set aside all dirty ready to wear. If you don't have any , buy some used clothing at the 2nd hand store.

If you give too much they will know you have plenty and come back with their friends with guns and bats.
If you give it too easily they will think you are stingy and must have more and get angry.

And I don't think the compassion kits should look ready to go either, not sitting at the front door like halloween
all stapled together .. LOL

Well, I guess that if I was afraid that folks I fed yesterday would maybe return tomorrow, I might place deterrents out to dissuade them of further kindness before they went and did some thing stupid. There are many traps one could use from bear matts(boards with nails under a nice fluffy doormat) to rock salt loads in the shot gun.(non-lethal) to prove a point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhQCMQ4K3PY .

Now the fella in the video suggests not to use this as it may just aggravate the fella. Well the plan should be maybe 1st round Rock Salt, 2nd round something worse as if the 1st didn't obviously work, your out of options and likely now fighting for your life.

My point again is that you don't have to opt for direct conflict but preparing is always still a consideration. The neat thing about a 12 gauge is that it is a weapon which has a variety of possibilities that many other weapons don't have. To own a sidearm requires a restricted weapons permit and moves you far up the ladder of who to watch in government listings. Whereas the 12 gauge is a regular weapon which can therefore be used anywhere for hunting both small and large games and is the overall best self defense weapon you can own because of this option of various loadouts. So again, this aspect show that there are options to be had without fearing you will be overtaken for offering a handout and paying a price for kindness. Thus you can still be kind while showing your not weak.

Now do you not think that sometimes your kindness may come back to you also later on. Have you never offered to help another and later found that kindness returned and more. They may not happen as often as it should, but such things do happen and at the strangest of times too. So once again I suggest that things will happen and you will eventually make some of these decisions and not make others. There are always things we will discover to see us through but stressing over them now might just make one crazy.

It's all well and good to talk about what you would do but close your eyes for a minute and imagine that your cold, hungry, scared, in pain and have nothing at all. Now imagine your son or daughter beside you and how you feel watching them go through the same thing. Then look in front of you and see someone who has the means to make all that go away. Someone with food, medicine, heater, stove, clean water, clothes.

What would be the extent that you would go through to get those things.

If I had my son with me, I would do ANYTHING to make him feel better.

But that means that you are now going to teach your son to kill and take instead? I too can imagine all that you suggest and know that I would be trying very hard to convince another of my abilities before I could even consider such actions. I would likely have to convince myself too that my life is worth more than that individual I was about to do battle with....a hefty lie if I didn't know that person well, right? I think I'll just not travel down this path of thought any further as it seems a gloomy place and reality doesn't require I travel it just yet!

But that means that you are now going to teach your son to kill and take instead? I too can imagine all that you suggest and know that I would be trying very hard to convince another of my abilities before I could even consider such actions. I would likely have to convince myself too that my life is worth more than that individual I was about to do battle with....a hefty lie if I didn't know that person well, right? I think I'll just not travel down this path of thought any further as it seems a gloomy place and reality doesn't require I travel it just yet!

If the cities are full of hungry mobs then what can you do? If you give a compassion package to one and three more are at the door then you are potentially overwhelmed. If they meet up with 4 more and they decide to gang up on you then will you not fight for what you have? You just going to use polite word to tell them to take a hike and you think starving men are going to obey? Get real. Look at how long it takes for people to resort to looting in good times. Give them a week and your house and all in it is open season.

It's not teaching one's kids to kill, it's teaching him or her to survive. And by turning away everybody that comes to your door you are not hinting that you have more to share. Maybe a three weeks after SHTF my views will change after those who had nothing and no skills died off, those that come a month later have skills to survive or had the sense to put stuff away for a rainy day. I'm sure as he'll not giving handouts to hippy liberals. Anybody and everybody is welcome at my place now, I would gladly teach what I know. If you have no interest to learn to swim then don't come to me when the boat is sinking.

This is all different though depending on where you live. If you're in the boonies and can put up a person or two then why not, put them to work. If you hadn't seen anybody for weeks then.you have not much to worry about. But people in suburbia and cities are going to be hard pressed, will be major competition for food and staying alive. If you're near populated centre's you better have your windows boarded up and something to protect yourself with.

What if one of the poor bastards that came to your door was a scout for a bigger group? Don't think they wouldn't hesitate to bash a head in for a can of corn.

My thought on the matter is, like in good times, it's survival of the fittest- just a spiritual evolution. For millennia the string survived. Now those with a sense of forsight survive.

No I wouldn't teach my son to hurt anyone. I was trying to give you an idea of what you would encounter. It is a gloomy subject. That's why we do what we do. To try prevent some of the gloom. There won't be any care packages it will either be take them in and try make due, or turn them away. I'm a Christian and try to live by the bible. I teach my son the same. Through all this I pray that I will never have to hurt anyone. That's why I joined this site so I could discuss things and get some new ideas. In this short time I have already learned tonnes.

No I wouldn't teach my son to hurt anyone. I was trying to give you an idea of what you would encounter. It is a gloomy subject. That's why we do what we do. To try prevent some of the gloom. There won't be any care packages it will either be take them in and try make due, or turn them away. I'm a Christian and try to live by the bible. I teach my son the same. Through all this I pray that I will never have to hurt anyone. That's why I joined this site so I could discuss things and get some new ideas. In this short time I have already learned tonnes.

The bible teaches to turn the other cheek. Last time I read it I read no mention of allowing yourself to be taken advantage of, or standing by while your loved ones get hurt. Don't teach your kids to hurt others, rather teach them to protect themselves from evil wanting to ruin or hurt them.

I'm more of the ant than grasshopper kinda guy.

And this might be why Ttiger 27 and myself do indeed live farther out then many of you do. It may not be totally void of such encounters but they likelihood is far less than for those who reside in highly populated regions. And it's not that i haven't considered such as this in the past...it's just that dwelling upon it resolves nothing! If it requires that much consideration as others opinions suggest, do something about it so you can sleep better.

I gave various answers that at least might help for such encounters. If this isn't enough to give you some peace of mind, then it is obviously time to move somewhere that you might find easier to defend against such encounters. Yet I know many would make excuses as to why this can't happen either. Priorities are what motivate each of us. Excuses are simply what we use to counteract any action so once again indecision sets in and your circle of frustration grows.

If you have done little to prepare for various things of which you fear may occur, this should then give you insight as to your overall personal nature. You can always do something to at least start down such paths. If not, they really aren't worth the bother(and so relax) or your too lazy...if it's the 2nd one, your likely not going to survive long in such an environment that you presently imagine anyways!

Well said!!