AMMO

The reason for FMJ isn't just target practice. Granted, the Geneva Convention makes it unlawful for hollow points to be used in war but that's not the only reason why military forces use FMJ.
During a war the combatant countries don't really want to kill enemy troops. Hollow points have a much higher probability of a kill. If a soldier is killed on the battlefield it only takes one man a few seconds to remove the dog tags and carry on. If a soldier is wounded on the battlefield it takes 2 others to carry him off, removing them from the battlefield. Then there is the cost in manpower and equipment to get him to a medical facility. After that comes the cost of doctors and nurses to care for him. Also the cost of medical supplies and equipment to care for him. Finally, he still has to be housed and fed. I think by now you can start to see the drain on resources for a wounded soldier as opposed to a dead soldier. That's the other big reason why FMJ is so popular with military forces.

To add tazweiss.... there is also the morale factor. A dead person is quiet and still. A wounded one looks you in the eye and you can see and hear their suffering and fear. Makes a body reconsider if "it" is really worth it or not.

The fmj or full metal jacket is also used for penitration. A 762x39 can pass through a car and still kill some one. A 338 Lupa fmj will make it half way through an engin block. also the fmj are cheap to shoot and it is just as important to practice witht he rifles you plan on prepping with as it is to stalk up on ammo. shoot as much as you can so you waste lesss ammo when it counts!

About the .410 bigred613 im sorry if it reads wrong but i was using it as an example of a good gun being expencive to shoot. a box of 12 gauge target load shells are 6 buck a box of 25 and .410 is 14 bucks for the same ammount, not really cost effective. You can make wax slugs out of 12 gauge target loads or use them as is for self defence ar small game hunting like grouse. a flat of 250 rounds of target is only 67 bucks. now thats cost effective!

thanks guys i appreciate the input

one observation with ammo is, lots of ammo is great if you can move it or its at where you need it.
moving 3000 - 5000 7.62 x 39 rounds is very heavy .
keep that in mind if you have to load up and go.

i have 3000 rounds of that and i do not want to carry that on my back.
if you say yes i will just put it in the truck and go, yes but just watch the weight with everything else (if anything else you take)
i will hate to leave my sks behind if i have to walk but that choice i have already made.

just saying

Very well put grouchy. Just a tought when buying a pistol try to get one that has a 22lr conversion available that way you have lots of ammo for the pistol... just a thought..

Very well put grouchy. Just a tought when buying a pistol try to get one that has a 22lr conversion available that way you have lots of ammo for the pistol... just a thought..

GP right...

22lr conversion kits. forget it. vey expensive. might as well go buy a nice ruger 22lr. and as for self defence with a 22lr, get a super sonic and dum dum your round and they'll do as much damage than a 9mm.

the 22 conversion for my sig was pretty cheap.

Years ago I owned a Ruger MKIII .22 pistol wjth the bull barrel, sweet gun. Never had a problem with it. I made the mistake of selling it to a friend. A couple of years ago, when I bought my CZ85, I decided to get a .22 pistol as close to the size and configuration of my CZ as I could. Big mistake. I have had a lot of problems with it. When my prepping budget allows, I'm going back to a Ruger .22 and sticking with it.

I just got one of the Browning 1911 A1 22's.
7/8 scale 1911 in .22 cal. What a sweet shooter, weighs less than a pound empty. Just over $600 with a couple of extra mags from Ellwood Epps.

I still have the 9 mm Browning Hi-Power the I purchased while stationed in Germany. I bought this because I was in a potential war zone and if I had to bail out of my vehicle under fire, I wanted to be sure I had some type of weapon handy. Also since I had made sure to get friendly with the units weapons tech., I had access to some spare parts. Next I bought my Rem. 870, 12 magnum with a full and modified field choke barrels. I was set for close in battle. I showed up to the range one day at a bring you own weapon fun shoot, with my 9mm in a shoulder rig, my shot gun w/ six shells on the stock and a bandolier of shells. For dramatic effect, full combat gear and camo. I went up behind my Lt., tapped him on the shoulder, and asked "So sir where’s the war?", He turned around and jumped back almost falling. “Holy Sh!t, Jim this is a fun shoot, not battle training. “ and I replied “Any time I get to fire a weapon, Sir, is both fun, and battle training. I then took the combat uniform off, had my civvies on underneath. 😈

I have tried the GSG 1911 in a 22lr at my club. Love it more than the real thing.

If you believe in a SHTF senario. There really is no such thing as too much ammo. Remember though. Here in Canada we do have limitations under the Explosives Act. Buy what you can readily shoot at your club. Have fun. Don't forget your eyes and ears.
Cheers.

I spent time on our units small arms team. Of course we used the Browning Hi-Power. In Afganistan, my Hi-Power never left my side. A lot of Canadian troops swear that the Hi-Power is a piece of crap, wrong. If the barrel is good, it can be deadly accurate. Even a worn/loose slide is only a 5 minute fix. A well maintained Hi-Power is a very dependable weapon. Whenever I heard one of the troops complain about the Hi-Power, my reply was always "Only a poor craftsman blames his tools". 😈

I totally agree, although we had that pistol for a long time and some of the Armorers weren’t that diligent at repairing and refinishing them. For my own, I removed the magazine hold mechanism, so that when I did a quick change, the magazine popped right out. I also put Pachmayr Grips on it and better sights.

Are there any rifles and handguns that use the same ammo/magazine?

It seems like that would make choices easier in a shtf bugout situation where defence is your primary concern, versus hunting scenarios.

I'm thinking of real teotwawki situations.