Well said Entrophy

Entropy:

Dear God man where do you live. I have been a paramedic for 31 years and I work in the wrong end of a large Ontario city. NEVER, in those 31 years have I every felt the need to carry a gun. I, vehemently oppose the carrying of concealed weapons. For a couple of reasons. One, in a critical situation, your heart is pounding in your chest, adrenaline is coursing through your veins, you are breathing fast and heavy; 99% of people could not hit the broad side of a barn in those conditions. Try running for a km and then shooting because that's about how accurate you will be in a crisis. Two, people having their weapons taken away and used on them by the bad guys is not uncommon. Cops train and train and train on firearms retention. I have several firearms but, no pistols. If I want to hunt food, it won't be with a pistol. If I want to protect my family, it won't be with a pistol. Watch the cop shows, when there is a potential for trouble they pull the rifles and shotguns.

My humble opinion.

Entropy:

Dear God man where do you live. I have been a paramedic for 31 years and I work in the wrong end of a large Ontario city. NEVER, in those 31 years have I every felt the need to carry a gun. I, vehemently oppose the carrying of concealed weapons. For a couple of reasons. One, in a critical situation, your heart is pounding in your chest, adrenaline is coursing through your veins, you are breathing fast and heavy; 99% of people could not hit the broad side of a barn in those conditions. Try running for a km and then shooting because that's about how accurate you will be in a crisis. Two, people having their weapons taken away and used on them by the bad guys is not uncommon. Cops train and train and train on firearms retention. I have several firearms but, no pistols. If I want to hunt food, it won't be with a pistol. If I want to protect my family, it won't be with a pistol. Watch the cop shows, when there is a potential for trouble they pull the rifles and shotguns.

My humble opinion.

you are absolutely right about all points.
and i believe that if you are going to CCW then you should be able to draw, shoot, and hit your target 100% of the time. anything less and you are dangerous to everyone around. and weapon retention is just as important. there is no reason that any citizen that plans to CCW should not train as much if not more the police for those very reasons.

pistols have a place, so do rifles and shotguns. i won't bring a knife to a pistol fight (i'd bring a rifle lol )

none the less i believe it should be with in our right to receive the training and take part in our own protection.

yes very right... look at the empire state building killer..... from what I understand the 2 cops got their man, but also hit 11 bystanders in the process.

I think most people would be shocked to know how little trigger time is required by our officers to qualify every year.

good thread.
Entropy & remington, PM me if interested in resourcing/networking (from toronto, now live on homestead 3hrs north)

Another very good reason, especially in Canada, to legally get done with the firearms license is to send a message to the politicians...we are a responsible firearm using nation. It's very nice to have ownership rights and to keep those rights there has to be support. And people owning firearms have a bigger interest in keeping them over those that don't have them, but don't have any problem with them either.

Entropy:

Dear God man where do you live. I have been a paramedic for 31 years and I work in the wrong end of a large Ontario city. NEVER, in those 31 years have I every felt the need to carry a gun. I, vehemently oppose the carrying of concealed weapons. For a couple of reasons. One, in a critical situation, your heart is pounding in your chest, adrenaline is coursing through your veins, you are breathing fast and heavy; 99% of people could not hit the broad side of a barn in those conditions. Try running for a km and then shooting because that's about how accurate you will be in a crisis. Two, people having their weapons taken away and used on them by the bad guys is not uncommon. Cops train and train and train on firearms retention. I have several firearms but, no pistols. If I want to hunt food, it won't be with a pistol. If I want to protect my family, it won't be with a pistol. Watch the cop shows, when there is a potential for trouble they pull the rifles and shotguns.

My humble opinion.

I work for a large police force in ontario and u r correct... some people including officers cannot hit the broad side of a barn adrenaline or not. But there is a reason we outfit officers and soldiers with pistols... close range they are very effective not to mention a good back up if ur other gun was to malfuncktion or run out of bullets... IT is ur right to vehemently oppose concealed carry.... but criminals will always be able to get guns and are not likely to open carry... so why should law abiding citizens not be able to conceal carry. I fail to see ur argument here... we can say all we want that open/concealed carry is wrong yet that will never stop the bad guys from doing it - not to mention that accuracy/retention is not the issue ... the issue is that in the charter of rights and freedoms it states right to "life, liberty and SECURITY of the person"... i know that the quickest response time i have seen was to a shots fired call and it was 3 minutes... when being attacked 3 minutes is a hell of a long time ... owning a pistol and knowing how to use it would greatly increase ur chances or survival... IMHO the government should not be guaranteeing the the right to security of the person and then telling people that defending themselves with a weapon is wwrong , when the nearest help is 3 minutes away

PRP
Like what you have to say here. I was a long haul trucker and could carry in the states but not here in my own country!!!!
Thanks

Very nicely said and put. This is my opinion on the matter as well, Criminals do not get them legally and Legal people should be able to defend themselves if needed. In outlying areas the response time would be into the Double Digits for response times if that depending on the locations.

I work for a large police force in Ontario and u r correct... some people including officers cannot hit the broad side of a barn adrenaline or not. But there is a reason we outfit officers and soldiers with pistols... close range they are very effective not to mention a good back up if ur other gun was to malfuncktion or run out of bullets... IT is ur right to vehemently oppose concealed carry.... but criminals will always be able to get guns and are not likely to open carry... so why should law abiding citizens not be able to conceal carry. I fail to see ur argument here... we can say all we want that open/concealed carry is wrong yet that will never stop the bad guys from doing it - not to mention that accuracy/retention is not the issue ... the issue is that in the charter of rights and freedoms it states right to "life, liberty and SECURITY of the person"... i know that the quickest response time i have seen was to a shots fired call and it was 3 minutes... when being attacked 3 minutes is a hell of a long time ... owning a pistol and knowing how to use it would greatly increase ur chances or survival... IMHO the government should not be guaranteeing the the right to security of the person and then telling people that defending themselves with a weapon is wwrong , when the nearest help is 3 minutes away

I have a healthy respect for law, and I believe that those that take up a career in it's enforcement should be honoured for their service.

Having said that, I do believe that by the time law enforcement arrives at the scene of a criminal action, it's already done and over with. While any decent person doesn't want to have to shoot another, it's the option we should have as long as there's legal context for it. Serious injury or death from another should be such a context.
As a hunter, there's many that don't feel pistols have a place in the woods. That's a personal choice and valid if one feels it so. I can respect that. But, I also feel that if I was being faced down by a bear or a something and I've either dropped my rifle/shotgun or it's not loaded, or as happens at times the action is fouled and won't cycle - I'd feel right safer with a pistol as a backup over swinging that now useless long gun as a club.
And no, I'm not licensed or own a handgun. But I have nothing against them either.

I dont see the use for a glock per say for hunting in the woods, but i can see a revolver being used for hunting or even personal protection if your hunting larger predators or pack creatures.

just follow what just a bear said

I know of one guy that was hunting grizz, his rifle (7mm mag) jammed on second shot. If not for his 8"44 mag revolver, he, not the grizz would be dead. If you know grizz, they be too stubborn to die on just one shot, unless your shooting a 50 cal. sniper rifle. 😈

yeah i would use a .300 win mag minimum if i was hunting grizzy's. ofc a .458 win mag would do the one hit wonder trick lol.

One thing I know about a cross bow is it takes up at least twice as much room as a rifle or long bow
To conceal in your baggage in a bug out ,a long term cache or just home concealment situation , not verrrry practical in my mind
On the plus side it requires no licence and little maintenance for the average user
Just my thoughts