Using fish Antibiotics for longterm storage

This is an interesting idea. I've read about it many times but never followed through on doing anything about it.

Any website suggestions?? and a chart for when to take what and how much??

you are right, they are the same things, and they USUALLY look a like but not always, keflex is an example.

but there are many considerations when using them. if you read at
http://www.survivinghealthy.com/
http://www.doomandbloom.net/
both sites are blogged by Doctors. there you'll find articles on when NOT to use antibiotics, and other considerations.

there is a very good reason to stock these meds, but you need to know what they are for, and how to use them. saying that, i'm an RN and when i call a doc in the middle of the night saying this patient has xyz, i have an idea they are going to order this, that and the other thing. when it comes to antibiotics there are the common ones we use, so if i see this problem i expect a certain antibiotic! many times the docs will order something else. (which really confused me!)

so i work at a hospital with pharmacists, so i get to ask all kinda of "dumb" questions!!!
i asked "i got bite by a dog the doc order amoxiclav one time, amoxicillin and another time and keflex the third time. . .why" doctors choice. you can give amoxilicin to dogs (well at least the vet considered it, but he went with keflex that time)

so here's the question. . .
you have a chest infection, is it a viral infection? or not? do you give antibiotics? if so when the person doesn't get better to you change it? what about when they get loose stools? they have been on a couple antibiotics and loose stools are a common side effect. but now you can't get the stools under control. you've stopped the antibiotics but they continue, how do you deal with this? just eating certain foods? or are you taking a supplement to help? what if it doesn't get better is it C-diff (now that can kill you) when do you stop the antibiotics (not just how long to do you treat for) but when the side effects of loose stool is too much? how are you going to judge is the meds are doing more help the harm? sometimes it's a fine line.
so it's C-diff, you don't have a lab test, but you can "smell" the c-diff. (many of the nurse i work with can smell it, i've only ever been able to pick up the smell of flagyl, the treatment for it)

allergy to Penicillin? there is a 10% chance you are allergic to the cephalosporins family, so you move to the tetracycline family because that's all you have left. but old tetracycling and doxycycline are toxic when they go bad. . . they are only 6 months passed date are they safe? or 1.5 years, are they safe?

if you are going to stock them, BEFORE You buy them find and OWN
The Sanford guide to anti-microbial therapy 2011 by David N Gilbert MD
Nursing drug handbook (updated each year)
CPS (updated each year, but our hospital only gets the electronic version now)
then there is the "physician desk reference" i don't own this but both those sites will tell you to get it. (i need to find one myself)

i have sat down to a number of meals with at least 3 doctors that prep (and i mean advanced prepping!) and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, says that non docs owning antibiotics is dangerous!

beyond what i put up there, one of the greatest threats to infection control and prevention in hospitals is the new bugs coming our way that are resistant to an increasing number of antibiotics. there are more now then there was a few years ago, and in the next ten years we might be using very different drugs to treat common things we see now. got read up on MRSA, VRE, CRE, and New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase 1 (NDM-1). when we sent a urine sample we sometimes get a message that's resistance to one type of treatment, that's not uncommon, but now we are getting reports listed MRO (Multi drug resistant organism) that now that's becoming more common.

taking the wrong drug for the wrong amount of time can make these bugs strong enough to kill you post fan. if you kill only the weaker germs in your system, the strong ones are the ones that multiply and then you need something else to treat them.

that's why my prepping doc friends say "NON DOC USING ANTIBIOTICS IS DANGEROUS".

even with my experience using antibiotic under the supervision of a doctor, even seeing the side effects and how long we push them before we change, or when to try something stronger etc. i am scared shirtless of having to decide to start, stop or change antibiotic that a family member needs. I COULD KILL THEM! (and i'm experienced with the treatments for the side effects. i can start IV's to keep them hydrated, a lot of you can't)

so there is a lot to consider when deciding to store these meds.

Thank you Entropy. I was thinking about antibiotics in my med gear. Now I think that I'll have a long talk with my doctor about what to stock. I knew that when I joined this forum, I did it for a reason. If I've learned nothing else (I have), your post has made it well worth while.

Thank you Entropy. I was thinking about antibiotics in my med gear. Now I think that I'll have a long talk with my doctor about what to stock. I knew that when I joined this forum, I did it for a reason. If I've learned nothing else (I have), your post has made it well worth while.

I heartily agree. That's much more complicated than I had ever been led to believe. I need one of my kids to marry a doctor 🙂

i need to marry a doctor too 😉 but my wife won't let me lol.

Thanks Entropy, lots to think about,I am going to check out those books and sites, we have an R.N in our Prepper Group and my wife is going to school in the fall for nursing. The bottom line is I would rather have them and educate myself about how to use them then not and watch a loved one die from a staph infection or the such. I have a med kit that was designed for peoples working and living in remote areas such as myself (missionaries, drillers) and feel much more comfortable and safer having it and familiarizing myself with it, like all my equipment I use it and practice with it, it’s those who buy something and stick it on a self until SHTF event and expect it to save them, are the ones in real danger. And also in these type of situation Ego and pride have no place. Here is a inventory list of my Med Kit and where to buy one its pricy but worth it to me.
http://www.medcallassist.com/medcalloutfitter-kit/ .

Azithromycin 250 mg 1 zpack or 6 pills
Ciprofloxacin 500 mg 14 tablets
Sulfamethoxazol/ trimethoprim DS 14 tablets
Cephalexin 500 mg 28 tablets
Triple antibiotic ointment Ten individual 1gm packets
Gentamicin Ophth solution 5 cc 1 tube
Ibuprofen 400 mgs. 40 tablets
Acetaminophen 500 mg 40 tablets
Cimetidine 800 mgs. 10 tablets
Bismuth tablets 12 tablets
Tucks hemorrhoidal Ointment One 1 oz tube
Loperamide 2 mgs (Imodium) 20 Tablets
Bisacodyl (senna lax tablets) 5 Tablets
Ondansetron (Zofran) 4 mg One 4mg vial with 6 doses
Toothache Kit (Red Cross Tooth Ache Kit one step temp tooth filling) 1 tooth ache kit
Epinephrine 1 mg vial 1 vial with 3 doses
Safety syringe (Monojet insulin 1cc safety syringes) 2 safety syringes
Guaifenesin dm One 4 oz bottle
Tolnaftate cream 1% one 15gm tube
Throat Lozenges 18 lozenges
Triamcinolone cream .1% one 15gm tube
Diphenhydramine 25 mg 15 tablets
Loratadine D 10 mgs 10 tablets
Halls cough drops roll- cherry 8 Cough Drops
steristrips .5 inch One pack of 6 Steristrips
Band-Aids assorted One assorted pack of band aids
q-tips 20 q-tips
tongue depressors 5 tough depressors
Adaptic type pad 4 Adaptic pads
Tegaderm type 2X3 Two 2X3 Tegaderm bandage
4x4 gauze Ten 4X4 Gauze Pads
petrolatum gauze 3x9 Two 3X9 Petrolatum Gauze pads
Paper tape 1" One roll of 1" wide paper tape
Cloth tape 1" One roll of 1" wide cloth tape
Kerlix type roller gauze 4" One 4" roll of kerlix gauze
Ace type wrap 4" One 4" wide roll of ace rap
Safety pins large Five Large Safety Pins
z fold hemostatic bandage 1 Zfold hemostatic bandage (quick clot)
nonsterile gloves Eight gloves
skin stapler 15 shot One skin stapler with 15 staples
staple remover One skin stapler remover
wound glue One tube of wound glue
splinter forceps One set of splinter forceps
Iris Scissors One set of iris scissors
pen light One Pen Light
lip balm w/ sunblock One tube of lip balm
spf >30 sunblock Four Packets of sunblock
magnifying glass One Magnifying Glass
Nail Clippers One Set of Nail Clippers
18g needle One 18g Needle
Moleskin Precut Pads Five Moleskin Precut Pads
Paramedic Shears One Set of 8" paramedic shears
Monoject Curved Tip Syringe One Monoject Curved Tip Irrigation Syringe
Mil-Spec+ Medical Supply Bag One Embroidered Mil-Spec+ Medical Supply Bag
IV Kit (Startkit, 18g Catheter, Admin Set, and 1 Liter Saline)
Deluxe Suture kit,
Lidocaine (1% Multidose 50ML Bottlere Set

Thanks Entropy, lots to think about,I am going to check out those books and sites, we have an R.N in our Prepper Group and my wife is going to school in the fall for nursing. The bottom line is I would rather have them and educate myself about how to use them then not and watch a loved one die from a staph infection or the such. I have a med kit that was designed for peoples working and living in remote areas such as myself (missionaries, drillers) and feel much more comfortable and safer having it and familiarizing myself with it, like all my equipment I use it and practice with it, it’s those who buy something and stick it on a self until SHTF event and expect it to save them, are the ones in real danger. And also in these type of situation Ego and pride have no place. Here is a inventory list of my Med Kit and where to buy one its pricy but worth it to me.
http://www.medcallassist.com/medcalloutfitter-kit/ .

Azithromycin 250 mg 1 zpack or 6 pills
Ciprofloxacin 500 mg 14 tablets
Sulfamethoxazol/ trimethoprim DS 14 tablets
Cephalexin 500 mg 28 tablets
Triple antibiotic ointment Ten individual 1gm packets
Gentamicin Ophth solution 5 cc 1 tube
Ibuprofen 400 mgs. 40 tablets
Acetaminophen 500 mg 40 tablets
Cimetidine 800 mgs. 10 tablets
Bismuth tablets 12 tablets
Tucks hemorrhoidal Ointment One 1 oz tube
Loperamide 2 mgs (Imodium) 20 Tablets
Bisacodyl (senna lax tablets) 5 Tablets
Ondansetron (Zofran) 4 mg One 4mg vial with 6 doses
Toothache Kit (Red Cross Tooth Ache Kit one step temp tooth filling) 1 tooth ache kit
Epinephrine 1 mg vial 1 vial with 3 doses
Safety syringe (Monojet insulin 1cc safety syringes) 2 safety syringes
Guaifenesin dm One 4 oz bottle
Tolnaftate cream 1% one 15gm tube
Throat Lozenges 18 lozenges
Triamcinolone cream .1% one 15gm tube
Diphenhydramine 25 mg 15 tablets
Loratadine D 10 mgs 10 tablets
Halls cough drops roll- cherry 8 Cough Drops
steristrips .5 inch One pack of 6 Steristrips
Band-Aids assorted One assorted pack of band aids
q-tips 20 q-tips
tongue depressors 5 tough depressors
Adaptic type pad 4 Adaptic pads
Tegaderm type 2X3 Two 2X3 Tegaderm bandage
4x4 gauze Ten 4X4 Gauze Pads
petrolatum gauze 3x9 Two 3X9 Petrolatum Gauze pads
Paper tape 1" One roll of 1" wide paper tape
Cloth tape 1" One roll of 1" wide cloth tape
Kerlix type roller gauze 4" One 4" roll of kerlix gauze
Ace type wrap 4" One 4" wide roll of ace rap
Safety pins large Five Large Safety Pins
z fold hemostatic bandage 1 Zfold hemostatic bandage (quick clot)
nonsterile gloves Eight gloves
skin stapler 15 shot One skin stapler with 15 staples
staple remover One skin stapler remover
wound glue One tube of wound glue
splinter forceps One set of splinter forceps
Iris Scissors One set of iris scissors
pen light One Pen Light
lip balm w/ sunblock One tube of lip balm
spf >30 sunblock Four Packets of sunblock
magnifying glass One Magnifying Glass
Nail Clippers One Set of Nail Clippers
18g needle One 18g Needle
Moleskin Precut Pads Five Moleskin Precut Pads
Paramedic Shears One Set of 8" paramedic shears
Monoject Curved Tip Syringe One Monoject Curved Tip Irrigation Syringe
Mil-Spec+ Medical Supply Bag One Embroidered Mil-Spec+ Medical Supply Bag
IV Kit (Startkit, 18g Catheter, Admin Set, and 1 Liter Saline)
Deluxe Suture kit,
Lidocaine (1% Multidose 50ML Bottlere Set

that's a pretty great list of stuff.
one thing i love, i use it, and i have doc's say to me all the time "you have chlorhexidine? what are you a medic or something?"

i clean all my wounds on me, or dogs after they happen with a spray bottle of Chlorhexidine. i bought this stuff at walmart, it's in the section with rubbing alcohol. it's a white bottle with a two toned green lable, it's call "rougier Vap" they make sprays of Chlorheine 2%, peroxide, and rubbing alcohol IIRC. use this one!

chlorhexidine creates a bractrostatic area where it cleans (works better mixed with alcohol and friction) that means germs don't grow! (and i can't give you a time frame for the germs don't grow thing) but on it's own it can spray out a would of a child or a dog without stinging, it cleans as it goes.

running tap water has more pressure and will clean a wound better, but if you don't have tap water, this is the best think other then carrying a lot of water, and a large syringes to irrigate with!

it's $5-6/bottle.

if you don't like that. go to TSC and buy a 4L bottle of it (it'll be a blue liquid, human stuff is red, no difference) and buy a squirt bottle and fill it from bulk.

<b>EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THIS </b> in their kits.

as for the antibiotic use, yes i agree, but i don't want any joe blow getting them, not knowing how to use them and killing their loved one trying to help.

http://www.fishmoxfishflex.com/index.php/
short of Azithromycin they carry it all IIRC.

Yes I agree a person needs to educate themselves and know the risks, thanks for the tip on the Chlorhexidine I will be getting some stat.

Great thread, lots of good resources and info, definitely puts things into perspective, goes to emphasize the reason that drugs are regulated. I looked at that website listed above and saw a bunch of videos on their video page ( http://www.fishmoxfishflex.com/index.php/fish-antibiotic-resource-center.html ) and had a couple questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP8EIAiYCa0

One of the videos is above, it shows the Fish Mox Forte pills. Does anyone knows anything about the writing that is on the different pills, there are several videos of the different fish meds and some pictures that show the writing on the pills. Is the writing specific to where it was manufactured, or does that not really matter at all?

Ok my two cents for what it is worth. Yes some fish meds are very close to human meds. BUT they are not regulated, the have filler, there labels are only based on fish so no side effects listed...and I can go on and on. The point is do NOT use fish meds on anything other then fish. Unless you are a chemist working for that meds company you have no idea what is really in the meds. I keep two containers of fish and reptile meds at all times. They are for my critters only. I have spent years researching fish health issues and guess what, they are not close to human issues. Sorry to rant here. I just don't want to see anyone getting hurt by using them. If you want to stock up for health meds, I suggest start going to see a naturalpath, finding out what they would suggest. Off my soap box now. And please forgive me for my rant, comes from a good place in my heart.

there are a number of good sources out there that say fish antibiotics are exactly the same, often times they are made in the same factories that make the human use drugs. (which means they are just as clean and safe. you can't have one bottle full of bad crap and the another one sterile and safe)
the FDA also publishes classes of meds, the fish meds are rated pure enough for human use.

USP - Pharmaceutical Grade - It meets pharmaceutical standards for human consumption

· FG - Food Grade - It meets standards for human consumption

· FE - Feed Grade - It meets standards for animal consumption

two docs have talked about it on their blogs.
surviving healthy and doom and bloom.
i agree precaution is needed but not on the purity of the drugs. i also know people that have used them with no problem.

and for effect, i've emailed the company to see if they are in fact USP stnadards

i dunno mate, i know nothing about antibiotics, but id be extremley cautious. is there not a wide spectrum antibiotic that will cure all ills then you just can't get it wrong? people are talking about using fish antibiotics??? sounds a bit crazy to me....any doctors in anyones family here that can be a bit more specific?

I agree, fish meds can be dangerous and worst case could even cause death, you should definitely consult a doctor, and the only time I would even consider using them would be in a shtf situation where there was no other alternative to getting medicine, in that case i figure if you are going to die without using them of some severe infection you don't have much to lose, but other than that situation I would definitely stay away from them, but it doesn't hurt to be prepared

hey, little girl has an infection so i just went to pick up her antibiotics and i know the pharmacist quiet well so i just asked her. she stated animal/ fish antibiotics will not have the same, if any effect as human anti biotics. also you run the risk of serious allergic reaction because they put stuff in their that for instance won't kill a dog, but will drop a human....so keep some adreneline on hand. she also told me paracetamol is like cyanide to Guniea Pigs...that is one theory I can disprove.... 😈