Let's hope it's Kirk's load that hits us cause his stuff doesn't stink!

I agree about the Economic Collapse, Pandemic, Solar Flare and Super Volcana IE Yellowstone could be an issue. Im less likely to believe in Nuclear war or terror campaign really creating enough issue. Power grid going down due to terror would be an exception if they took it down on a large scale and made it unfixable in a short period of time. I do have to say, there is always something like the Menengitis outbreak right now that is the scariest, as we wont realize its out until most of us have had exposure or possibly exposed.

The one scenario that I also think could be an Issue is if the USA used HAARP and it really messed things up. Im sure its being used already, but how long before they make things uncontrollable... Not sure on the science of it, but definitely a scenario that seems overlooked by many.

IMO: prep in a General scenario, and prepare for both a Defense in Place as well as a bugout strategy.

I think we will see severe austerity like we're seeing in Europe. If severe austerity happens in Asian, look for China to attack other nations. the middle east threat of war will be used as a cover to rally the masses around the flags of nato allies, however, the spin will be that we need severe austerity to support the war effort when, in fact, it is simply the US dollar collapsing.

My prediction for local effects in Canada is that 1) firearms licenses will be revoked during this time and then 2) severe austerity will proceed. This only reinforces the position to stock up on beans, bandaids and bullets. Then, the proper response to all of this is to organize General Strikes by everyone coupled with withdrawal of all assets from banking institutions. Formation of grass roots community response teams. This will force the government and banks to either cave to our demands, or use even more draconian measures to force compliance. Bottom line is it won't be easy or painless.

All of you military and police members... why would you support measures designed to enslave us all, including you?? It is time to decide if you are on the side of freedom and liberty or tyranny.

Seriously?
Did you really just have the B_LLS to attack our military personnel?

At the risk of offending our LEO's I have to say that over the last few decades it seems to me that there's a lot more "us vs them" and a lot less "serve and protect" going on.
I'm not accusing you of anything - I'm asking you to take a hard look at where your training is leading your attitude and thinking.
In the US they have an Oath Keepers, an organization of law enforcement officers that have stated they will not obey orders contrary to the rights of their fellow citizens.

As soon as they dumped the firearms registry and people have guns that aren't registered confiscation would be a huge problem. Half the people never registered their guns anyway. Yay for civil disobedience.
Buy used guns from private parties now and make em vanish.

I think we will see severe austerity like we're seeing in Europe. If severe austerity happens in Asian, look for China to attack other nations. the middle east threat of war will be used as a cover to rally the masses around the flags of nato allies, however, the spin will be that we need severe austerity to support the war effort when, in fact, it is simply the US dollar collapsing.

My prediction for local effects in Canada is that 1) firearms licenses will be revoked during this time and then 2) severe austerity will proceed. This only reinforces the position to stock up on beans, bandaids and bullets. Then, the proper response to all of this is to organize General Strikes by everyone coupled with withdrawal of all assets from banking institutions. Formation of grass roots community response teams. This will force the government and banks to either cave to our demands, or use even more draconian measures to force compliance. Bottom line is it won't be easy or painless.

All of you military and police members... why would you support measures designed to enslave us all, including you?? It is time to decide if you are on the side of freedom and liberty or tyranny.

Seriously?
Did you really just have the B_LLS to attack our military personnel?

I have had enough of this little F*ucktard..

Ex military and I invite you come and chat with me in person, if you have the b*lls too

I think we will see severe austerity like we're seeing in Europe. If severe austerity happens in Asian, look for China to attack other nations. the middle east threat of war will be used as a cover to rally the masses around the flags of nato allies, however, the spin will be that we need severe austerity to support the war effort when, in fact, it is simply the US dollar collapsing.

My prediction for local effects in Canada is that 1) firearms licenses will be revoked during this time and then 2) severe austerity will proceed. This only reinforces the position to stock up on beans, bandaids and bullets. Then, the proper response to all of this is to organize General Strikes by everyone coupled with withdrawal of all assets from banking institutions. Formation of grass roots community response teams. This will force the government and banks to either cave to our demands, or use even more draconian measures to force compliance. Bottom line is it won't be easy or painless.

All of you military and police members... why would you support measures designed to enslave us all, including you?? It is time to decide if you are on the side of freedom and liberty or tyranny.

to sweeten the chat up...
I am 48yrs old
have bronchial pneumonia

MY PREDICTION is you last 1 min against me !!
F*UCKTARD

TROLL

Seriously?
Did you really just have the B_LLS to attack our military personnel?

Inasmuch as they follow and support our charter of rights and freedoms ~~ no. If they do not ~~ yes. My "attacks" are philosophical, moral and ethical and protected under our charter and, I might add, strenuously, yea, vigorously debated with my MP and MPP.

These days it seems that good, innocent people are targeted by LE because they are easy marks. Getting them for what amounts to a paperwork violation (in respect to the firearms act). After all, it is way too dangerous and expensive to go after a violent gang or organized crime.

Now more than ever I firmly believe that Canada needs a 2nd amendment like the USA!!!

Citizens should bend over to authority no matter how tyrannical? Societies run in cycles and eventually (who knows how long) the citizens DO turn on their governing bodies. "IF" military personnel and police follow tyranny and genocide then yes I can see retaliation against these groups. But for now I can not see it. Military coup is better than the military following a shady government (think Stalin, Hitler, Mao etc). The problem is they brainwash and sell the enforcement a load of crap in order to bring their agenda upon the citizens. Again, I do not think we are anywhere near this point. I think our military men and women are good people and they are very intelligent compared to local law enforcement where they seem to abuse power on many occasions.

I would support a 2nd amendment but Canada is way to liberal to adopt such a law.

if I said we are to bend over to tyrants, i did not mean that. I believe we follow civil authorities as long as they do not violate human and unalienable rights. when they violate human/ unalienable rights then it is the job of civilians to demand change. What I've seen recently is some LE treading all over human rights in Canada. Legislators are to blame for making the laws and LE for following them when they should have said, this is against the Charter and so we will not enforce them...

The more things slide (i sincerely hope they do not, i do love proper ROL), the worse things will get... wait, watch and see.

Wilderness, calling some one a f@cktard adds nothing to the discussion. You don't like what Bugboy says then make a well reasoned argument as to why he is wrong. When you act like a mouthy bully, people tune you out.

Wilderness, calling some one a f@cktard adds nothing to the discussion. You don't like what Bugboy says then make a well reasoned argument as to why he is wrong. When you act like a mouthy bully, people tune you out.

Good thanks, your welcome to tune me out then.. cheers and have a nice day

Here's what I think will happen: Last post. The many LE that monitor this site, at some point, might take any one of you to task with talking about using a firearm in self defense in a SHTF situation. Be careful guys.

I'd certainly like to intercede in this discussion that seems to be forming between bug'boy and return.

I can see points in both sides of this scenario of military/policing actions. I am speaking on behalf of our military and policing forces – Canadian. That is what I know. That is where our concern should be.

I do have to question the sense or logic of bug to comprehend a military or policing force that would act contrary to orders or act on their own initiatives against those orders. That my freind would be complete anarchy in a society where our serving military or police enact the solutions to the ultimate decisions taken when politically-oriented or diplomacy no longer works as a viable solution.

I don't feel that any Canadian has the actual moral "right" to condemn our serving military people for their actions. Yes I suppose they have a constitutional “right” but that certainly doesn’t relate to it being the right thing to do. They are under orders. I suppose if one wants to analyse or condemn the political decisions that are made and those people making them there is a lot of room for criticism, but not those who serve under those orders in our nation.

It's paramount to what the masses did during the Vietnamese war, when they couldn't effectively make any headway fighting against the establishment. They decided if soldiers didn't serve there wouldn't be a problem - so attack the soldier serving under orders. It wasn’t right then and it isn’t right now. Yes attack the political system if you don’t agree with the decisions being made. I for one don’t agree with our involvement in Afghanistan and certainly did not agree with the political decision to go into Libya. But that does not reflect on the actions of one serving military person.

For my part I consider the Canadian soldier, policing force performs more than admirably and let's really look at what happens when those few individuals serving decide to take actions into their own hands;

They kick the life out of a kid in Serbia and the military establishment not only throws them out of the military, they disband the entire First Division as a result.

An officer serving in Afghanistan decides to place two shots in an Afghan fighter’s chest that was ripped to pieces by American 50 mm artillery rather than leave him out there in the desert to suffer, (chances are he was already dead) - fact is his Afghan counterparts were kicking the corpse all over the field before he decided to return and discharge his firearm into the body. Our military establishment discharges him for that action. I don't know whether that was right or wrong of that officer, but it was outside the "rules of engagement because OUR soldiers are expected to make all efforts to get medical intervention for our enemies in combat situations." Again, a serving military person who makes a decision on his own against his orders (whether morally right or wrong) and the retribution is swift.

I tried to point out two extremes of military personnel who make decisions based on their own moral beliefs. In both actions it's quite evident that military or policing personnel should not make decisions outside the orders they are given.

Our military or policing systems aren't perfect, there are always individual exceptions - both the military personnel and those that govern them are human and with that comes imperfection. But in all actions I truly believe both our Canadian military and policing personnel deserve and have earned the respect of our civilians. Anything less spells out an ignorance of what the alternatives would be. It is because they are exceptional that they should be recognised for that.

I’ll end this lecture with a few words poorly given by me from Dallaire about the quality of our soldiers. When all other nations ran from Rawanda and those who remained refused to give aid to wounded civilians because of fear of all the blood and the threat of aids or blood related diseases:

He found it frustrating because when they would come to pile of bodies Dallaire would turn to give his Canadian forces orders to assist anyone who may be alive in the piles of horror, he would turn to see his men were already there digging through the bodies, the carnage and the blood to try and aid anyone who may have survived the attack. He was frustrated because they were not acting with orders. That is a huge contradiction between our people and those of the other serving nations that remained.

When you find a people’s that can outdo that bug (when it comes to making moral decisions on their own) maybe you can have a moral “right” to comment on the conduct of our Canadian military.

I liked General Dallaire and General McKenzie, both honorable and great men in the service to this Nation and to the Forces.

the Lt that put the Taliban fighter out of his misery on the battlefield, was doing the grace of a soldier to another; the grace is not letting someone die a long painful death. That Taliban, would have lasted another 2-3 hrs in absolute agony, so even a Taliban who would have cut the head off an enemy with a dull knife was afforded a soldiers grace due to a Canadian Soldier.

When I am sick, my bullshite meter is on overdrive, so not meaning to single out the real ones, just the trolls. sorry for the implications!
I did offer a nice face to face chit chat as well, is that not an olive branch of sorts.. 😈

Actually

They kick the life out of a kid in Serbia and the military establishment not only throws them out of the military, they disband the entire First Division as a result.

Was in Somalia not Serbia and they disbanded the Airborne Regiment, not the First Division. One of the offenders tried to hang himself and was declared unfit for trial. The other got five years. Pretty lenient for torture/murdering a kid stealing food and taking trophy pics of it. Apparently the cover up went pretty high up the chain of command. For those who were too young to remember or don't, Google the Somalia Affair. BTW I believe that disbanding the Airborne Regiment was a crass political move on Chretien's part. Political expediency will always trump what is right for a military.

As far as the alleged Afghan mercy killing, I hear the Officer at the center of it has a book out. I plan on picking up a copy. Should be an interesting read.