Im curious if any of you have considered buying a ballistic vest to have as part of your kit for a wlfo or SHTF situation. The local gun shop is selling surplus vests at a great price. Most vest expire after 5-10 years depending on the manufacture but I have witnessed test done on vest up to twenty years old and they still maintained their ballistic properties. Depending on what situation arises they could be very beneficial.
It is illegal to own bullet proof vests or garments in canada unless you are properly licensed,for jobs such as police, armoured guards ect.
I ran into this in my searches for prepping equipment.
Check out govt of canada regulations for bullet proof vests.
May not include the actual plates that give it the stopping action for projectiles.
Novelty or not i would be careful dealing with the lawfullness of these products.
I have to disagree with you bcprepper. Here is info from Wikipedia..."In all Canadian provinces except for British Columbia, Manitoba and Alberta[67], it is legal to wear and to purchase body armor such as ballistic vests. Nova Scotia has passed the legislation but is not yet in force[68].Under British Columbia's Body Armour Control Act,[69] it is illegal to possess body armour without a licence (unless exempted) issued by the provincial government.
In BC if you have security guards license it is still only legal to possess body armor as an adjunct to your employment... not by virtue of having the licence.
Buy it and hide it until things go down. No need to pull it out before SHTF.
You are right it may be legal in some provinces for now,but there have been rumblings and personal members bills trying to change that.
Did not know however that the kevlar broke down over time making its protection when needed questionable.
I would keep Kevlar in a dry place. I know working with many composite materials that once moisture comes and goes from the dry material it that it becomes weaker over time. If the Kevlar is inside of a vest that has a waterproof coating there is no reason why it shouldn't last a lifetime. Things degrade over time but the conditions must be right for any given material to do so rapidly. Extruded polystyrene foam will last a long time as a packing material but degrade instantly in the presence of Acetone.
Yes the trend of introducing legislation that prohibits people from owning ballistic vest is more knee jerk, feel good BS. I think you will see other provinces follow the lead over the next couple of years.
I believe it is still legal to own in most states as long as the buyer does not have any felony convictions.
Having worn them in the past, they can be quite hot to wear at times. I guess it depends on the individual as to whether they think it would be a good thing to have in the particular situation they will find themselves in. Odds are you are not going to be wearing something that will protect you from someone armed with a rifle shooting larger centerfire cartridges........... but they will give you some peace of mind with most handguns and knives........... assuming of course you get hit in the area covered by the vest.
Let no good deed go unpunished.
It is illegal to own bullet proof vests or garments in canada unless you are properly licensed,for jobs such as police, armoured guards ect.
I ran into this in my searches for prepping equipment.
Check out govt of canada regulations for bullet proof vests.
May not include the actual plates that give it the stopping action for projectiles.
Novelty or not i would be careful dealing with the lawfullness of these products.
i believe it's only illegal to own them in alberta and maybe BC, the alberta law just passed a short while ago. in Ontario there is no such law that i can find. saying that, if you are wearing one, you are "likely" up to no good and you might find yourself in trouble with the law whether or not there is a law against it. (just like owning and carrying a baton. . . it's not illegal unless it's a weapon)
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You are correct Entropy it is not illegal in Ontario. Personally I think I would put more effort into not being shot at in the first place. I haven't needed one so far and I can't honestly say that I see that changing even if the SHTF.
You are correct Entropy it is not illegal in Ontario. Personally I think I would put more effort into not being shot at in the first place. I haven't needed one so far and I can't honestly say that I see that changing even if the SHTF.
i don't know my neighbours, (i'm the new kid here) i do know the one family is nice but there son is a thief. another is an OPP. one has chickens, and a few of them are older. ALL of them have dogs. . . at least three of them have children.
the people i worry about are those with kids. . . they are the ones that will be doing stupid things early on, and maybe out of the gate before them you'll see more druggy type crimes, (break and enters, theft etc) and those increases in crimes will likely push mr. good dad over the edge to do something desperate. (everyone else is doing it for bad reasons, he should be able to do it for at least more noble reasons)
in the documentary, "after Armageddon" one of the "professors" said that children as also seen to become very violent when hungry is concerned. now i haven't thtought about this much, maybe i should. if little jimmy's dad comes to take food in a violent manner i'd be defending against an adult. . . but how am i going to deal with little jimmy? (yeah i can over power him if he's coming at me with a stick. . .but what he little jimmy has daddy's shotgun? hmmmm never thought of that really 😕 , just hope they ask before they try to take. . .)
i was looking at this for another reason but it's fitting here lol
"In 2006, there were a total of 7,102,466 firearms registered in Canada. By 2010, this number had grown to 7,646,699, an increase of 544,233, or over 100,000 per year.
However, between 2006 and 2010, the number of licensed gun owners has dropped from 1,908,011 to 1,848,000. This represents a decrease of 60,011, or about 12,000 per year for five years.
As such, each registered gun owner in Canada had an average of 4.14 guns in 2010, up from 3.72 guns per registered owner in 2006."
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/23/more-guns-in-canada-this-year-but-fewer-owners-rcmp/
in my area, all the farms have firearms, and 100's of them refused to change from a FAL to a PAL, and many more refused to register their long guns (possible in the 1000's).
so, i still don't plan on getting shot at 😉 but i'm sure there is a quote about making plans that applies here lol.
while my neighbours are of little concern to me, they surrounds farm lands are less of a threat, but could be if they wanted to be, and then i'm not sure how many city people would make it my way, they know the area north of me, and most would pass by for their cottage. if the got lost my way (last house, no winter access beyond my place, and no reason to drive this way in the summer) i have the tools to detect them long before they know where am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8j4GIRYbZw&feature=related
not the scene i was looking for, but still on topic.
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Entropy........... the registry is nothing to base firearms ownership on.
Past import statistics suggested that there are two to three times the number of firearms as were actually registered in Canada. In days gone by there were at least three times as many firearms owners as what was the end result with required licensing.
Heck I knew dozens of people who did not get a firearms licence and did not register firearms. So if you multiply that out with the rest of the actual licenced firearms owners......... where do we end up.
Many older people said F**k you to the government about licensing......... including my dearly departed Grandfather and several elderly neighbours who have now passed on to their reward. I firmly believe there are 20 + million firearms in Canada and more like 6 million gun owners.
In your post you are alluding to a kid coming with a gun to take what they want............ and so what? A
teenager with a gun will be allowed to rape and pillage but not the father? Sorry I do not see the problem here..... both problems are cured the same way.
Let no good deed go unpunished.
Mooswa, my numbers were to high light the minimum figures, i know they are no where near the actually number. the number of illegal firearms, and the number of those that illegal process firearms (i'm talking criminals with criminal intent not the ones that stood up the the gobberment) is huge. . .
what i was talking about with kids, was that in this show a "professors" states that in areas of mass famine, children (much younger then teens) become violent. . .
anyone trying to steal from me or kill me, is an issue to me (obviously) but how are you going to feel if (as the example in the show) if you are fighting against an 8 year old trying to get food? (not raping and stealing, trying to eat!) huge difference from an 18 year old (trying to dink my wife while i bleed to dead). if that doesn't sit a little funny in your mind, then i sure hope we don't meet in disagreeable terms!
survival is survival, but there are physical and mental consequences to every actions we take. i believe it's important to consider ever life we may effect from the rabbit we eat, to the criminals we may need to repel, to how our neighbours will react to us having heat, water, food, and not sharing. i don't believe they are going to take the lessons of the grasshopper and the ant to heart and just walk away embarrassed of their lack of planning excepting that they made the wrong choices. . .
our soldier and police suffer from taking the lives of "bad" people, they train for it, still if you think taking the life of a hungry neighbour with poor choices in front of him/her will be easy,( added too all the other stress that will be your new normal) and its' just going to be another day in the post fan world, we won't suddenly become cold stone survivers.
they say the 5 biggest stressors is life are:
lost of a loved one, break up of a significant relationship, moving, changing jobs, and something else. . . close behind are things like debt. . . (some might say that is on the 'list' now, but it wasn't one of them in my psych book) post fan, the break down of society, the lack of normal, the change in security and safety, the uncertain of things like food, water. . . will be huge burdens on our minds, and our families. . . there function will change and then taking down mr smith because Suzy was crying for three days with a hungry belly isn't going to be a walk in the park.
how will your family will see it ? the same way ("had to be done", "us or them") or something of unimaginable horror? prepping gives us a lot of time to mentally prepare for many situations, but taking a life is much different. . . when the dust settles a lot of things will be different. it maybe the only choice, but it won't be as easy to live with as some might thing. it doesn't sound so horrible when you read things like "lights out" or "Union creek Journal", "Patriots" etc. those choices, that "action sequence" being read from an ominous view point, with good and bad clearly defined. . . the hero being right, the bad guy getting what was coming. . . (and when they don't the bad guy always shows up again with a better plan to kill the hero) the choice seems clean and easy now. . . but that neighbour is a human, maybe a friend . . . these are choices i hope none of us ever has to make, to die or kill. . . but they are also choices that get forces on people all over this country every day.
just my thoughts on a lot of stuff. . . now i'm going to bed. . .working nights.
adsum. . . aut viam inveniam aut faciam
Entropy............. I was in LE. I have even been on several patrols with the SAP in the bad old Apartheid days. I have seen people shot, have had friends killed in the line of duty and dealt with kids who were pretty much beyond redemption at 8 years of age. People are welcome to believe all the fairytales they want about changing people, but a psychopath is still a psychopath, whether they are 8 or 19. Children raised in war torn countries have a much different view of life than your average, soft, coddled, emotionally immature Canadian.
I came to terms with the requirement to kill in order to protect life a long time ago........... and in an honest TEOTWAWKI scenario, property will probably be added to that list, as that 'property' may be what is keeping you and your loved ones alive. One must not assume that everyone they talk to on the internet is some sort of urban pansy who has not ever been faced with killing to survive or put food on the table.
There is no doubt that those to whom meat is something that comes under plastic at the Safeway and whom have never actually been in an honest to god physical altercation, are going to be emotionally traumatized by having to actually get their hands dirty taking a life. Best give it some long hard thought before hand and come to terms with the concept, because the few extra seconds you take moralizing the trigger pull may well be your last few seconds............ and the others who depend on you are also going to pay the price for your faltering at a time when you should be reacting and not rationalizing.
Of course killing should not be something that is taken lightly. On the other hand one has to limit just how much guilt you plan to heap on yourself in a kill or be killed situation. Lots of police and military have issues after being involved in fatal shootings and I would be surprised..... and worried........ if there were not. For me however, if the unthinkable happens some day and I am confronted with a life or death situation........... the other side is going down, not my family. Simple as that. I have personally seen what happens after the masses have to go without for a few days and it ain't pretty. That is why you will see that many of the fairly serious preppers are ex-military and LE.......... they have seen the other side of humanity and know what is coming.
Let no good deed go unpunished.
lol, i think you may of misunderstood my first post, and me your reply. . . i agree 100% with you. . .
thanks for your comments
adsum. . . aut viam inveniam aut faciam
😀 It is the internet and it happens. I may have misinterpreted you tone of voice. 😉
Let no good deed go unpunished.

