Immigration - Increased or Decreased Security Risk

I am absolute with you on this one Wayne. We better start taking our immigration serious...The Americans coming in here do not fit in one bit,there is the odd exception but largely they are far to damaged from living in that ever at war backwards society, or worse have actively participated in the very war crimes that have generated refuges on every continent and I suspect that no amount of education we could provide would help them in any way. In a SHTF situation we will have to deal with those already here.

In a SHTF scenario, how does increased immigration affect the personal security of your family?

I perceive that many of the people newly immigrating from countries such as Syria and other war zones have experienced great hardship. I see their endurance could certainly benefit those that haven't had this experience.

On the other hand, many of these people suffer from trauma and PTSD and place an added stress on an already over-worked health care system. Further difficulty in communication and culture may also present some barriers to Society as a whole.

I don't want to discuss the politics behind immigration. The fact does however exist that many members of this group are unable to contribute to Society in the short-term. In a similar way if my family was relocated to Saudi Arabia with no one being able to speak the language and not having an income other than Government subsidy. What happens if this is disrupted?

Should this be a factor? How much is too little assistance and how much becomes too much? I ask this question because of some personal experience that I have. Relocation (in some cases) isn't working out for the community and not for the people that have immigrated. The total cost will be finalized in time. What are the alternatives?

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Wayne...its like you are in a small room with a elephant, putting in great effort to look everywhere but at the elephant, a mouse runs by and you are having a conipshit about it taking up to much space....Look at the elephant Wayne, look at the cause.

I think it is a ..... sorry for my choice of words....a dumb idea to lump all people that have immigrated one way or the other. Some will be assets, some will not just like everyone that was born here....some will be assets, some will not. I believe the statement "The fact does however exist that many members of this group are unable to contribute to Society in the short-term" to be unfair. Then again I live in a very diverse area and although language can be a barrier, I have found they have a fair number of skills to share. Conrad Richters once said to a group of us "we are a first world nation trying to learn 3rd world skills" when it came to prepping.

I mean no disrespect, often I do not always understand a person's intentions in a comment as I guess I am asking for clarification as it sounds rather xenophobic to me.

...I mean no disrespect, often I do not always understand a person's intentions in a comment as I guess I am asking for clarification as it sounds rather xenophobic to me.

Oldschool, to be clear I don't have any fear of strangers. Canada is a nation of immigrants. I was born and raised in the Toronto area and my close friends include Italian, German, Hungarian, African, Chinese, Native American and people with origins in a number of different nations. I've worked with many nationalities here and abroad and have depended upon my coworkers in life and death situations. So for clarification, my comments are not intended to be xenophobic.

Normal immigration policy does not apply to those persons requesting asylum. As you are aware, these numbers have dramatically increased in the last couple of years. Streams of people enter Canada daily seeking sanctuary.

Perhaps an example will give you a better understanding where I'm coming from. Two families that I have personal knowledge immigrated from Syria. Family number one consists of a Father, Mother and three children. The only language they speak is Syrian. The Patriarch refuses to learn English, or to work. He doesn't drive, nor is he interested in learning. He expects to be driven to the hospital, as the whole family suffers from PTSD. He routinely beats his wife (involving the Police).

The second family consists of a husband and wife who's pregnant. Neither speak English, but the husband wants to learn. Both are unskilled and unemployed. They do not know how to drive and suffer from PTSD.

It would seem that both families are in need of financial support and neither will be in a position to contribute to Society in the short-term. The prospect of the first family being able to contribute is not encouraging for the long-term. They have come to Canada with the financial support of the Government. I do not suspect that these two examples are unique. What can these families expect if the government funding isn't forthcoming? How many thousands more should the Government bring into Canada?

I am not passing judgement, rather asking the question. In a SHTF situation, how will 10,000 or 50,000 more refugees affect security? Personally, I'd like to help them, but perhaps there is another way?

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Thanks Scrounger, I can always count on you for intelligent discourse... 🙂

...Look at the elephant Wayne, look at the cause.

The why of a bomb going off is of little use if you find yourself within the blast radius. I'm not so much concerned with what I see, but with what I hear...tick, tick, tick... Perhaps I'm just mistaken.

dam I was hoping to get back on here and delete what I wrote

what I said was uncalled for - I apologise

There's no need to apologize oldschool. It's easy to misinterpret or be misinterpreted. The point you made was well worded and respectful. Best regards.

Thanks Wayne, I think that emoji summed up your gibberish post very succinctly. Your premise for what you are asking is deeply flawed. One can only wonder what your endgame was in asking. I do note that you have been critical of the liberals immigration policies in other posts. Hmmmm?

.Your post was fine OldSchool, don't change a thing. Perhaps if more people called out long winded bullshit there might be less of it.

https://www.thestar.com/halifax/2018/05/22/syrian-refugee-family-reflects-on-first-two-years-in-halifax.html

Perhaps an example will give you a better understanding where I'm coming from. Two families that I have personal knowledge immigrated from Syria. Family number one consists of a Father, Mother and three children. The only language they speak is Syrian. The Patriarch refuses to learn English, or to work. He doesn't drive, nor is he interested in learning. He expects to be driven to the hospital, as the whole family suffers from PTSD. He routinely beats his wife (involving the Police).

The second family consists of a husband and wife who's pregnant. Neither speak English, but the husband wants to learn. Both are unskilled and unemployed. They do not know how to drive and suffer from PTSD.

It would seem that both families are in need of financial support and neither will be in a position to contribute to Society in the short-term. The prospect of the first family being able to contribute is not encouraging for the long-term. They have come to Canada with the financial support of the Government. I do not suspect that these two examples are unique. What can these families expect if the government funding isn't forthcoming? How many thousands more should the Government bring into Canada?

Chances are I am going to feel guilty by tomorrow for posting this but I did walk away and think about it first 😀

In Syrian they speak Arabic, Kurdish, and Turkish; mostly. Some of the people with more wealth can speak English. So unless you can speak Arabic, I am willing to bet that you are basing some of your information on what you see and not what you know. Around my area there is a strong support for all incoming people that do not speak English. I have found that the children can typically speak some English after a few months in Canada IF they have been enrolled in school. The parents are not that lucky. I don't know about you but I have found learning a new language at an older age much harder then a younger age. It may not be the people are unwilling to learn, just they have a limited way to learn. Nor can you know their skill set. Heck they could be doctors. (doubtful)

As for working, unless they get the "proper" paperwork, they are not allowed to work - Government rules. It does not matter how badly they want to or even if they have a job lined up it is against the law for them to do so.

The wife beater - heck they come in all shapes, sizes and both men & women are guilty.

Driving - Syria doesn't have a licence exchange agreement with Canada. If you're coming from Syria, you need to pass a knowledge test and a road test. Not having funds for a vehicle, for insurance, gas, etc doesn't help.

PTSD - means nothing. I have PTSD. I actually find it helpful in a very high stress event. I seem to excel in those times. Doing things like going to the bank, that's when I have an issue. Part of their PTSD is time. A person's body chem changes with prolonged exposure to stress.

In regards to "What can these families expect if the government funding isn't forthcoming? " -- I have been trying to find the numbers for how many people are on disability, unemployment, welfare, and old age pension in Canada. I haven't had any luck so far. The only figure I have found so far is about 33% of the population. The number seems really high to me or at least I hope it is way too high.

I agree with "neither will be in a position to contribute to Society in the short-term" and neither am I, accept for my skill sets. It is not a question of
new immigrates but of all people.

In my opinion the people that may cause the biggest issue if the SHTF in a big way will be the under 30 who don't care (usually gang members, drug addicts) and mama & papa bears (parents that will do just about anything for their kids)

Part of my beliefs are based on personal life experiences (very long stories), part because I study the history of people (not wars but what triggered them), and part due to mental health studies.

If you want more details on why I think the way I do, send me a private message.

thanks scrounger

Thanks Wayne, I think that emoji summed up your gibberish post very succinctly. Your premise for what you are asking is deeply flawed. One can only wonder what your endgame was in asking. I do note that you have been critical of the liberals immigration policies in other posts. Hmmmm?

.Your post was fine OldSchool, don't change a thing. Perhaps if more people called out long winded bullshit there might be less of it.

What can I say? Perhaps something that you'll understand:

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...If you want more details on why I think the way I do, send me a private message.

I believe there's a difference between citizens who've paid taxes all their life, paid into government programs like the CPP and foreigners whom the Government bring into the country and pay for an undetermined period of time. In the same way there is a difference between someone refusing to work and those that want to and legally can't. Or people that are having difficulty in learning a language and others who refuse to make an attempt to learn it.

In Canada, there are criminal acts perpetuated by individuals of every culture. In some cultures, some crimes that we deem as crimes in Canada are not considered crimes in that culture. Islamic law (Figh or Sharia) is one example. All people entering the country must accept our laws if they are to continue living here. This is especially true if they are living at the expense of the people. I think that this is only reasonable.

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