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- RT News: seems that the battles continued in the Donetsk region even though the ceasefire is officially still on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJAn3oHQVa8
Seems the Ukraine army used artillery and then Aeriel support to attack the city. RT says contacted officials of the Ukraine stated they would continue until all terrorists are dead.

- Press TV: UN claims the death toll is now over 3500 and that it has noticeably increased since the ceasefire was imposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBWPhoNvEo
There is never mention as to the percentage of deaths incurred to each side but video footage and just basic logic still shows the majority of deaths is going to the rebels and civilians.



   
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Ukraine Today: Russia has sent 4th aid convoy into Donetsk again without the approval of Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1WtlZQhuz4
Ukraine claims now that Russia is doing this to smuggle out Ukraine technology.

Ukraine Today: Moscow threatens to retaliate if Ukraine signs EU Free Trade deal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBEh8pK2KU0
Of course they would...wouldn't you? Do you not think that the EU have special restriction when you climb into bed with them instead? Don't let the term "Free Trade " confuse you. Does the EU trade with any outside of their agreement? Of course not. That is because there are limitations to their club and Russian trade is not included in this. Therefore this is just more hype at the obvious.

WochIt News: seems Russia has pulled back some of its troops from the Ukraine border. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4JHlCDtJfU
This is obviously to show that they too are relaxing somewhat as the spotlights are less focused on them for now.

There is now absolutely nothing worth presenting for an opposing view as censorship seems to have disqualified all but the lame posts.



   
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CCTV News: 3 Mass graves are found in the east after Ukraine army retreats from the region https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28EPDrMHPc
This and another report show OCSE is investigating these deaths.

WochIt News: Ukraine PM states Russia wants them to freeze. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTJdl7BCaHo
This is just propaganda to blackball Russia further as the report forgets to mention that Ukraine has yet to pay their last bill as yet. We already know that Russia had also given them gas up to this point at a far greater discount because of the pipeline feeding the rest of Europe.

Wochit News: Ukraine is ducking out of 3 Billion $ debt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jqoZ7X6Hs



   
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CCTV News: 3 Mass graves are found in the east after Ukraine army retreats from the region https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28EPDrMHPc
This and another report show OCSE is investigating these deaths.

WochIt News: Ukraine PM states Russia wants them to freeze. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTJdl7BCaHo
This is just propaganda to blackball Russia further as the report forgets to mention that Ukraine has yet to pay their last bill as yet. We already know that Russia had also given them gas up to this point at a far greater discount because of the pipeline feeding the rest of Europe.

Wochit News: Ukraine is ducking out of 3 Billion $ debt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jqoZ7X6Hs

Hmm, I wonder how much Crimea is worth? or the damage Putin did on Ukraine since the beginning of the conflict. Just saying.



   
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Hmm, I wonder how much Crimea is worth? or the damage Putin did on Ukraine since the beginning of the conflict. Just saying.

Good point. But that is really putting the onus on Putin when it likely belongs more upon the EU. You seem to forget that there were no shots fired to reacquire Crimea. That is because most people there were of Russian decent and even spoke Russian as many seem to in east Ukraine. This is also how they acquired a 96% vote to rejoin Russia. If other neighboring regions were given this same vote, they too would likely opt to rejoin Russia for these same regions. The only reason Russia hasn't allowed this to happen is that it would provide NATO reason to attack.

Putin also sees that you cannot just invade and win the people in this way as the US have learned time and again with attacks on Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. He is winning the people over as it becomes obvious that the EU's real focus was for coveting resources. Maybe they are even realizing that democracy is just a word that capitalists often hide behind.



   
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Our news mentions the trouble Ukraine may face if Russia doesn't turn the gas back on for Ukraine. But this is mostly in reference to those in the west. Can you imagine what hardship this winter will bring to the people of east Ukraine? Consider that which they face even now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBKce1ajgxU
You can see by their clothing that they already face some uncomfortable nights. What about washing clothes and sanitation? The elderly haven't had any pensions form the government in 6 months. Little or no electricity. Only handouts that come are from Russia and Ukraine is trying hard to stop even those. How many will die once below freezing temperatures start? The blocking of all borders to Russia is a death warrant to those in the east unless Ukraine agrees to make allowances for their needs too. With debts forcing their every move, I doubt any concessions will be granted to the east unless the west is forced to by Russia through this gas crisis.

- Ukraine News: Rebels continue to fight those at the Donetsk airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xovMkErle84
Finally the Ukraine army admits that they continue to hold the airport as they fear Russia could use it for advancing if it were in rebel hands.

-OSCE reps are interviewed about mass graves and conditions of those in the east https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ChrLKz2LY
They say that in 3 villages, all people are now willing to join and fight with the rebels, even the old and crippled. They talk of mass rapes being a part of their definition of genocide actions committed by the Ukraine army. All these people eagerly await any possible Russian intervention.

- more prisoner exchanges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaziN9P8DWs
hard not to notice that many of the people returned to the east are in civilian clothing (as usual) and suggest they are not part of the rebel forces but simply civilians captured for such swaps.



   
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- Seems the rebels do have an advantage over the west when it comes to heat and power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csgGIpKccxw
The east has coal electric plants for power and coal mines for heat. Their own infrastructure was damaged so many don't have the ability to heat their residences but they do still hold those resources hostage that will inevitably make the west pay for their misdeeds. And they also have the skilled labour forces needed to operate these plants. One would wonder why they hadn't considered such things before they started killing them?

- Ukraine has receive their new military equipment that was anonymously given to them by the UN nations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDm8QlR1Is0
- Ukraine heavy armour heading for Donetsk area https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFAZtN_jAuA

- Ukraine may have a gas deal to cover their winter needs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWmgF7jNH8A

- human rights group has new book out: 10 Symptoms of Nazism is in Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVjy2pic_SI
English subtitles to Russian interview, slow but has some good evidence to back up the theory. (warning: very graphic killings)
(man, both Ukraine and Russia sure have a violent past...)



   
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- Ukraine claims to have given 14 million tons of aid to displaced Ukrainians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeaonP_Oc9o
So this report has fun with those numbers.....

- RT News: Prisoner swaps in danger as Rebels accuse Kiev of foul play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjxOsDk18iA

- Ukraine News: Ukraine claims Russia is still destabilizing them and they will respond https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ4xrHSiMXE
This comes after the shelling of a school in the east and killing several people.

- Ukraine News: EU sanctions on Russia will remain in place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlR4WSACbxA

- Press TV: ceasefire on verge o collapse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THHBTH8N7uA
Russia claims they now have 390,000 registered Ukrainian refugees. Ukraine army has turned up the pressure on Donetsk airport region.



   
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- Euro News: Another unique detail is Ukrainian politics. Their present Prime Minister resigns on July 24. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8Q58M9kgA
He was always avid that Russia is to blame for their present circumstances.

- Press TV: yet here he is running for reelection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ps1nGGzHiI
Not only that, but one member of opposition has been supposedly kidnapped by the Russians and yet they continue with her as a valid opponent. Can you make sense of this as I can't? They also expect that few in the east will vote....REALLY? Would it matter if they did? They are fighting them and yet they would suggest that the east still has a vote? 😮 Do you believe that they would really count those ballads if they did try to vote?

- RT News: seems the Germans are fed up with NATO and the lies their being told https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Y28LR3tyk

- RT News: Russian Ambassador discusses UN being functional and present US domination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q6akB2VRZs



   
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- Ukraine News: claims that they saved 1/2 Billion dollars from buying EU gas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv4Id7noui4
Now I remember that Russia had given them big discounts on gas for use of pipelines to Europe. This article now claims Russia was ripping them off. If so, why did Europe buy their gas?

- Ukraine News: Poroshenko will give special status to English language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpk33SLtRcQ
And yet he disallowed Russian language even though it is the main language of the east

-WoochIt News: heavy fighting at Donetsk airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJl45Qau4A
Seems the rebels have been trying hard to take back the airport while Ukraine has further strengthened its forces.
Alot of fighting is presently taking place in Donetsk's airport region and many predict that the same may occur soon in the Mariupol region as military build up is apparent there too. Seems that they too have alot of steel industry here and is therefore a strategic asset for either side to possess.

- rebels try hard to retake their airport but fail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM2lwe9GgaQ
- Civilians under heavy fire in Donetsk as seen here in this short clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9qDsGwvL5k
- RT News: many unexploded shells and mines plague east Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1HVDDkymc

-Ukraine News: seems that Russia likely did abduct a member of the Ukraine parliament and has her on trial for the killings of 2 reporters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-BIh7Cadpw
I have found nothing from the Russian side to confirm this but still suspect it is true.



   
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-NATO: shows Ukraine army training received during NATO's war games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxO5pMGxEM
These folks overthrew their previous government but 8 months ago and elected this new leader only 5 months ago, yet NATO is now backing them in a civil war... a "Coalition for Peace" they claim, as they have brought so much peace to Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan.

- Press TV: you can follow the rebels as they storm the Donetsk airport. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_7W-WEG3AM
Do you note that some wear runners and the variety of weapons and uniform. Many don't have any bullet proof vests either. You can tell that they don't have the backing that the Ukraine army does to outfit them properly. Yet these guys seem to give the Ukraine army a good run for their money. It appears that they hold at least a portion of the airport and little to no fighting. I always marvel at how they appear to be shooting at what seems nothing really...(for the cameras of course).

- Press TV : shows Ukraine army dug in somewhere near Donetsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04dhbUGwmKQ

- Ukraine TV: now stating that 90% of the rebels are Russian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mw2lr-BejM
Do those above appear to be Russian soldiers?

- RT News: US talks with Poroshenko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHHdwiznac4
Does this sound that they are working towards a peaceful resolution? Remember that they agreed to pull back 30 Km from the hot zones and yet it was them who continued to shell Donetsk throughout the ceasefire from the airport.

- Press TV: Ukraine receives it's first of 5 drones. They also claim the Ukraine army still presently holds the Donetsk airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EHx3mAnAQI
French and Germany are supposed to be using these drones to monitor the ceasefire. Meanwhile Ukraine TV and a few others still proclaim that Russia is continuing their invasion of Ukraine. Russia still has done nothing (as usual), but I do wonder why no media sources (including RT) stand up and challenge such comments as they mislead the public into thinking Russia has invaded.



   
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- RT News: non translational but near the end Poroshenko is inspecting the new war toys supplied by the EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhLIaBdnOME

- AFP News: the US wants forces to retreat to form the no fire zone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdEq57jzObk
Of course this is after the rebels finally took control of the Donetsk airport to stop the continuous shelling of that region since May.

- RT News: German aid convoy but only made it to the west so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDd4LGZwLEU

- Ukraine News: their again crying that Russia doubled the gas price even if they do pay their outstanding bill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiRRVOhQeEk
they forget to mention that Russia gave them the gas at a great discount before for their use of Crimea. Somehow the deal is no longer available....maybe because they are killing Russian speaking Ukrainians?

- seems France has again cancelled delivery of their battleships. Check out their specs.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GhX4JQXBkQ
I'm betting others have now opted to buy them instead...more for us, less for them! 😀

Now the good thing about a coalition of governments such as the EU is that west Ukraine is being given temporary support from the EU to keep Ukraine focused on it's attack of the east. The people would have lost hope and opted for a peaceful solution to this conflict otherwise as their economy would have totally collapsed by now without these small handouts. But overall, the west is even further in debt and they can only follow the path set by those who hold their fate in their grasp.

Yet Russia is no saint either as to Ukraine's plight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8uR9XIDW8
Note that these people never even had gas heat after 33 years of promises. It is hard to understand how a region with so many resources could be so poor. Seems many people had wells and not even running water in some videos. I admit that they don't bring gas to where I live either but it is not too far away for the majority. Russia definitely kept the Ukraine people in a state of reliance upon Russia and this is what the EU exploited to create such a war.



   
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- CAUTION: this one is VERY GRAPHIC- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFSF8pntNcM

I post it to show what these people in the east are going thru daily. You can see folks walk amongst the dead in shock. Then the questions of who to blame. The comments then go to the news they see and the falseness of it. Even with little infrastructure left, the shelling and the lies continue. I'm sure the author of this film also wants us viewers to understand their situation. This is just a glimpse of what they live with daily.

A Ukraine general being interviewed (time @ 41:00) claims that the art of artillery hitting specific targets have been perfected and therefore when the shelling hits civilian structures, it is because those structures were specifically targeted. Yet those firing the artillery don't have to see the havoc they cause. A man in the video states "what are their terms" as there is none being offered. If all those in the east surrendered tomorrow, do you really think that Ukraine would have peace? Do you think that the Ukraine government would relocate them? If so, where? If not, would they help them rebuild? No... Would the west feed them?

Their enemy hides behind many layers of lies and are being supported by the EU and NATO. and they are suspect of enticing the west into shelling those of the east for promise of better days ahead. Is this the path to democracy? I doubt it! Meanwhile, we are being mislead into believing that these east Ukrainians are bad people when they have done nothing but defend their homes and die.

We all know this video isn't staged, that this is real misery brought to you by a fascist regime and paid for by us. Yet it is destined to get much worse as we have only asked for more when they spoon feed us this crap of who's in the wrong. It's easy to see if you just look.....seems we are backing the fascists!



   
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- Press TV: this video shows a train with pro-Russian markings carrying alot of new tanks and APC's in the Luhansk region. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tng0-aRfmZs

My 1st thoughts were that the Russians must be finally moving in. I read some of the comments below and decided to study the video further. If the Russians are shipping this equipment, we should hear it from the rooftops soon enough. They indeed look new, not used stuff repainted. The east does have a tank factory, but why so many at once and not a few at a time? What I did note though is that the helicopter at the end is most likely a German NH90, a transport /utility helicopter as no Russian, Ukraine or US helicopter fits that outline otherwise. This could be OCSE spotting or indeed even a ruse to suggest movement as justification for action. Loading a train such as this takes time and satellite imagery would betray them long before they even started out.

- Aint-Maidan: rebels capture large ammo site before retreating Ukraine army could blow it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtOIfdg62k

- War in Ukraine: Donetsk city after shelling from a NATO supplied Touchka U ballistic missile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHwM59EfOA
I don't know how much damage shown is from this missile, but the crater alone is immense.

- Ukraine Today: the Ukraine army at Crimea's border is being supplied with rail cars for bunk houses for the coming winter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJLXfqNI8PM

- War ion Ukraine: the current situation at the Donetsk airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORb6K8Akr3w

Now I just found this Canadian site that is CIPS, Centre of International Study in Ottawa, which dissects the Ukraine war and each sides potentials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hccScI_UvyA&list=UUK5Qld1i2qRKcebA2EI5i4g
I haven't watched much and expect it to back the government of Canada's position in NATO, but was amazed that what I have seen is quite neutral and factual so far. I'm hoping it isn't going to try to justify Harper's perspective that we must jump blind into this fray with both feet.



   
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-War in Ukraine: rebels captured Ukraine soldiers who pretend to be rebels and then rob the civilians of the east region. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MQBCN5qx2w
This has been a tactic used for the last while and there is said to be another 7 or 8 groups remaining to create bad relations for the rebels amongst the population.

- RT News: France protesting Ukraine Nazi backed war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kay5_fF4oFw

- Latest TV News: Russian currency continues to fall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_o4KcWGbng
Putin doesn't seem to care as he says it strengthens their economy http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-10-09/putin-doesn-t-care-if-the-ruble-falls

thats about all for now



   
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