Luckily we did buy the ammunition we were planning on... a couple of boxes for each of our hunting rifles so that we can continue practicing when it warms up.
dang what do you think of the gerber gorge and the gator II combo? I ordered both a couple of weeks ago and I am just waiting for them to arrive in my mailbox. I was a little bit concerned about the relative small size of the gorge when compared to other "e-tools", but I went with it anyways.
See you all after.
You Sir, are in very good condition!
I tried to reply here but as I was doing so the site crashed and I had to back to work........Very good condition; No , I would say well conditioned, its not that I could hall it for a long distance, and its not even for sure I would even take everything on my list...t
The Back pack yes it goes as loaded, I can Haul it easy and I train to do so [ Because of search & Rescue ]......My vest that's another story; I loaded it and weighed it and to be honest probably a bit much ...I would probably cut it back to about 10 pounds...That total I know I can Handle but 80lbs , Probably a bit much...I know what I have carried on a SEARCH and how far....I have done my full loaded pack for 20k on uneven terrain, so an extra 10lbs on even terrain; to walk out from my house is du-able....
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
I've used both for camping over the last 2 years; no issues or concerns. well made and good enough edge
solid construction I felt, though i'm not an expert on knives or such
Just a thought, Home Hardware has commercials that promote tools that are available at home hardware only. Some of these multi-purpose tools seem pretty damn cool (can opener/rocket launcher, OK ridiculous example) from the commercials and I have no idea of how well they work or what mult- functions they ACTUALLY work on. That said, has anyone found a Home Hardware multi-purpose tool that they would be hard pressed to give up or, include in a BOB? Think low budget Leatherman mulit-tool concept. (BTW, I do have a Leatherman that does manicures, but not pedicures for some reason. LOL)
It makes sense to me that packing a multi-tool that weighs 1.5 times the weight of 2 tools that perform the same functions is a good idea.
Your thoughts, just asking...
BTR
Than= I’d rather be rich than poor.
Then= I first became hungry then I ate.
There = She is there now.
Their = They have their things.
They're = They're going to the mall.
To = They came to the house.
Too = That's too bad.
Buggie,
I do not own one, but the Glock E-tool is one of the few that has ever impressed me for a folding E-tool. It is also the lightest. Steel blade and plastic fantastic telescopic handle. Used to be in the $50 range.
I have used the CF E-tool. It works. It is longer than many, but it is heavy. Metal blade and metal folding handle. Did I mention it was heavy. The WWII era folding shovel with the wood handle should work for most jobs.
I received a mini snow shovel for backpacking, snowshoeing, skiing, etc for Christmas. I am told they were on sale at Costco before Christmas for less than $20, which is the best price for a metal avalanche shovel I have heard of. Most start in the upper $30 range and go up from there. I may get an opportunity to test my new snow shovel in a couple weekends.
Cheers,
Mountainman.
I received my gerber gator camp axe/saw II yesterday in the mail, and so far im pleased with it. chopped up a few quartered logs with it. the saw had no problem with twoonie sized branches (the biggest I tried). The only concerns with the axe is that the blade itself seems relatively dull for what I would expect a company like gerber to put out. Its not dull persay... just not where i would expect it to be. Also there are several machine marks on the axe head and saw blade. Again, these will be working tools so Im not concerned about that... but again it just goes to show that name brand doesnt mean quality. Performance will be tested more extensivley later on, but for now Im happy with them.
Im still waiting on my gerber gorge folding e-tool. I went with that for my bugout bag as it is lighter and seems to have a solid reputation. I plan on getting a larger e-tool like the coldsteel special forces shovel for my vehicle emergency roadside kit later on down the road. something with a little more strength and weight behind it for vehicle extrication. The smaller gerber should hopefully meet my camping/bugout needs.
also... my ka-bar USMC 7 inch fighter showed up, and all I have to say is... holy moly... what a knife. so sharp out of the box that I plan to shave with it tommorow.
See you all after.
Just a thought, Home Hardware has commercials that promote tools that are available at home hardware only. Some of these multi-purpose tools seem pretty damn cool (can opener/rocket launcher, OK ridiculous example) from the commercials and I have no idea of how well they work or what mult- functions they ACTUALLY work on. That said, has anyone found a Home Hardware multi-purpose tool that they would be hard pressed to give up or, include in a BOB? Think low budget Leatherman mulit-tool concept. (BTW, I do have a Leatherman that does manicures, but not pedicures for some reason. LOL)
It makes sense to me that packing a multi-tool that weighs 1.5 times the weight of 2 tools that perform the same functions is a good idea.
Your thoughts, just asking...
BTR
BTR,
IMHO. Any multifunction device is always, always going to be a case of compromise. Home Hardware sells tools to housewives/househusbands that do not do construction type activities as their prime trade in life. No offence intended to anyone. For folks who want to change a set of taps or replace a washer or unclog a drain, they do not require professional grade tools. Same with hanging pictures or building/assembling a bookcase. Electric drills with plastic gears are just fine same with a 10 oz claw hammer. Or Crescent wrench, Vise-grips, or screwdrivers that store the extra bits in the handle. These all work find in a condo or house for odd jobs, most of these type of multifunction tools do not survive long on the worksite.
So, as long as you know what you want your tools to do and they can do what you need them to do, it is fine to have some multifunction devices, but if they cannot handle the use or abuse of the job you need to complete, save yourself the grief and frustration of inferior tools and get the right tool for the right job.
Are there times when a Leatherman or Gerber or Sog Multiplier can be the right tool, sure. In a BOB, some sort of multiplier is a wise choice, as long as you do not believe that the tiny knife blade on the multiplier now counts as your knife for your BOB. The knife on your multiplier is a disposable blade to use instead of using your primary or secondary knife in your BOB.
Hope I have not pissed-off too many folks, with my opinion of multifunction devices.
Mountainman.
Just a thought, Home Hardware has commercials that promote tools that are available at home hardware only. Some of these multi-purpose tools seem pretty damn cool (can opener/rocket launcher, OK ridiculous example) from the commercials and I have no idea of how well they work or what mult- functions they ACTUALLY work on. That said, has anyone found a Home Hardware multi-purpose tool that they would be hard pressed to give up or, include in a BOB? Think low budget Leatherman mulit-tool concept. (BTW, I do have a Leatherman that does manicures, but not pedicures for some reason. LOL)
It makes sense to me that packing a multi-tool that weighs 1.5 times the weight of 2 tools that perform the same functions is a good idea.
Your thoughts, just asking...
BTRBTR,
IMHO. Any multifunction device is always, always going to be a case of compromise. Home Hardware sells tools to housewives/househusbands that do not do construction type activities as their prime trade in life. No offence intended to anyone. For folks who want to change a set of taps or replace a washer or unclog a drain, they do not require professional grade tools. Same with hanging pictures or building/assembling a bookcase. Electric drills with plastic gears are just fine same with a 10 oz claw hammer. Or Crescent wrench, Vise-grips, or screwdrivers that store the extra bits in the handle. These all work find in a condo or house for odd jobs, most of these type of multifunction tools do not survive long on the worksite.
So, as long as you know what you want your tools to do and they can do what you need them to do, it is fine to have some multifunction devices, but if they cannot handle the use or abuse of the job you need to complete, save yourself the grief and frustration of inferior tools and get the right tool for the right job.
Are there times when a Leatherman or Gerber or Sog Multiplier can be the right tool, sure. In a BOB, some sort of multiplier is a wise choice, as long as you do not believe that the tiny knife blade on the multiplier now counts as your knife for your BOB. The knife on your multiplier is a disposable blade to use instead of using your primary or secondary knife in your BOB.
Hope I have not pissed-off too many folks, with my opinion of multifunction devices.
Mountainman.
First, I'm not PO'd in any way. Like I said, just asking.
I realize the perfect (high quality) tool is the best tool to have but in a BOB weight is also a consideration when it is on your back and mobility is powered by your legs. That is the primary reason I asked the question. Mountainman's reply does have merit and I would not suggest that a $20 tool would replace a $40 hatchet, $100 knife, $50 machete, along with several other excellent tools. What I am asking is 'If several secondary tools could be combined into a single tool with a great savings in weight of the sum of the secondary tools combined weight, would it be worth the compromise?' It's the 'Swiss Army Knife/Leatherman' approach to secondary tools. Why carry 3 X 1 lb tool when 1lb X 3 function tool will do the same jobs with less efficiency, especially when they are not your primary means of survival.
Fencing pliers have been mentioned in several BOB's. A claw, a hammer, wire cutters and two sets plier jaws are on that tool to the best of my recollection from 30 years ago. They may have improved since then but I am not aware. Nothing on the tool works excellent but they all work acceptably. The weight of separate tools as opposed to a fencing pliers would probably be double or more. IMO (and I'm not a bug out guy) is why not get more bang for per lb in a BOB.
Again, just asking...
BTR
Than= I’d rather be rich than poor.
Then= I first became hungry then I ate.
There = She is there now.
Their = They have their things.
They're = They're going to the mall.
To = They came to the house.
Too = That's too bad.
I just read parts 1 and 2 so I thought I would share. Some of the reasons I am 'bug in' guy are revealed.
http://survivalacres.com/blog/bob-the-reality/
I think the author brought up a lot of good points even though he scratched my one of my pet peeves.
HINT:
then
/T͟Hen/
Adverb
1. At that time; at the time in question: "I was living in Cairo then"; "by then I was exhausted"; "Adams, the then president".
2. After that; next; afterward: "she won the first and then the second game".
Synonyms
afterwards - next - after - at that time
than
/T͟Han/
Conjunction
1. Introducing the second element in a comparison: "he was smaller than his son"; "Jack knows more than I do".
2. Used in expressions introducing an exception or contrast: "he claims not to own anything other than his home".
Than= I’d rather be rich than poor.
Then= I first became hungry then I ate.
There = She is there now.
Their = They have their things.
They're = They're going to the mall.
To = They came to the house.
Too = That's too bad.
Im still waiting on my gerber gorge folding e-tool. I went with that for my bugout bag as it is lighter and seems to have a solid reputation. I plan on getting a larger e-tool like the coldsteel special forces shovel for my vehicle emergency roadside kit later on down the road. something with a little more strength and weight behind it for vehicle extrication. The smaller gerber should hopefully meet my camping/bugout needs.
also... my ka-bar USMC 7 inch fighter showed up, and all I have to say is... holy moly... what a knife. so sharp out of the box that I plan to shave with it tommorow.
Did you up getting this e tool? What are your impressions? Is it worth while?
Check it out...! A Survival Doll...! If someone out there would like to make these, I'd consider purchasing one...
http://stuffyoucanthave.blogspot.ca/2011/06/survival-doll.html
Rain 🙂
It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark.....
Yes I did get my gerber gorge. I have not had a chance to use it yet, but iso far I am happy with the product. It seems well constructed. Its is rather small (the shovel head is about the size of a large mans hand, and the handle is between 7-10 inches long when extended), but fits the roll of a BOB tool for sure. I would put it somewhere inbetween a garden spade and a real military surplus e-tool size wise. It is light and compact, which is just what I was hoping for. Will be good for digging fire pits, digging up caches and tubars, and for burrying small items and filling in catholes etc. I would recommend it as a tool for your BOB if you don't plan on having to do any major digs.
Hope that helps! I will post a review on it when I get a chance to field test it.
See you all after.
Check it out...! A Survival Doll...! If someone out there would like to make these, I'd consider purchasing one...
http://stuffyoucanthave.blogspot.ca/2011/06/survival-doll.html
Rain 🙂
You know I thought well must be a joke, It is not a joke and a very useful tool for preppers or survivalists. Imagine more would just overlook this old style doll and leave it be. They would be missing out, there are some awesome features in that doll.
Since you posted it, why not create a topic for this by itself, I am sure some could come up with similar projects or alternatives, there are some creative people here.
Thank you for sharing this, impressed 😀
WildernessReturn, YOu're free to start a new thread re: this survival doll anytime 🙂
Also maybe start a thread re: hiding places 🙂
Rain
It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark.....