Constitutional Carry

The Canadian gov. is looking to go the way of Brittan and have a total gun ban. As the days go by you will find that there will be more stricter gun laws not lesser. Despite the hand gun laws that we have now, crimes with guns have gone up. Why, because the majority of gun crimes are not done by law abiding people that have registered their guns, but by people that by their guns on the black market, that are smuggled in from the states. Brand new guns that have never had an entry permit are showing up in raids. The gun registration was made so that the local cops can get an easier, "probable cause" entry into your home without a warrant. You can be sure that if TSHTF comes about, there will be a special squad coming into your house by any means with a special coverall warrant to seize all weapons and ammunitions. 👿

The Canadian gov. is looking to go the way of Brittan and have a total gun ban. As the days go by you will find that there will be more stricter gun laws not lesser. Despite the hand gun laws that we have now, crimes with guns have gone up. Why, because the majority of gun crimes are not done by law abiding people that have registered their guns, but by people that by their guns on the black market, that are smuggled in from the states. Brand new guns that have never had an entry permit are showing up in raids. The gun registration was made so that the local cops can get an easier, "probable cause" entry into your home without a warrant. You can be sure that if TSHTF comes about, there will be a special squad coming into your house by any means with a special coverall warrant to seize all weapons and ammunitions. 👿

I have to disagree. Outside the United States, Canada is the only country to roll back firearms restrictions in the last twenty years. Crime stats have shown that there is a marked decrease in violent crime at this point as has been the trend since 1978. While it is only a point or two decrease and nothing like that of the US with the lowest violent crime rates since the DOJ/BOS began keeping records, it is still a decrease. What we are seeing is an increase in the use of smuggled handguns being used in crime, to the tune of between 70-95% depending upon where, when and who is crunching the numbers.

As for a special squad coming to take your guns in a SHTF event, really? They barely have enough people on the ground during periods of calm, how in the hell do you expect them to find the manpower for that when their jurisdiction is falling apart? Every police constable I know has said they'll be looking to get home and protect their families. You'll be on your own.

-S.

I agree with the American right to Carry/Conceal. I would like to see Canada move in a direction that would better allow Law Abidding Citizens to defend themselves, as in our current legal set up it seems its the criminals that have all the rights. Although our self defense laws are getting better, criminals still know that they have the advantage because if you REALLY defend yourself or your property your the one going to jail. Criminals win no matter what.

That being said, this is Canada and yes, you can expect more draconion and restrictive gun laws even though studies have clearly shown that violent crime rates drop in areas that allow open and conceal carry. Simply, criminals don't want to mess with people who can and very well may defend themselves.

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I am from Tennessee and also lived in Texas for one year. Tennessee has pretty balanced gun rights, overall, but have many issues with Memphis. Texas was crazy because you can carry a handgun from your house to your car concealed without breaking any laws. You are basically allowed to protect your property with armed force in Texas. In Tennessee, if you shoot someone while protecting your home it will go to court and may be controversial (if you shot them while they were running, etc) but in Texas, if they are on your property and have committed a crime or an attempt, all laws basically go towards the property owner. Many people think it is way too much gun freedom but the truth with guns is, the law should reflect the need. An entire nation should not dictate various different cultures. Considering Texas is directly on the border of Mexico, if it a BEAUTIFUL system of civil duty from the citizens. Now, if those laws were in, lets say NY, who knows, maybe it would work as smoothly. My point is that gun rights should not be a central government choice, based on my travels and cultural experiences. It should be left to the state/provincial level to better accommodate the countries diverse cultures
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I don't think we are in for any serious gun legislation in the near future. We already have very restrictive laws in regards to magazine capacities, transport, storage, etc. Before we look at getting concealed carry, we have to get some REAL castle laws first!
I'm open to thee idea, but i do have to say that I have met LOTS of people in my time that I really wouldn't want wandering around with a hand cannon!
This whole debate goes right back to psychological evaluation and all the cr@p that does with it.

And oh yea, the carrying of the handgun from house to car and car to house only requires that you have a drivers license. Also, no requirements for registration. I can sell you my gun in a walmart parking lot with no papers. You can have papers if you want, but you will not be in trouble for registering a non-registered gun. Basically, this ended up destroying the gun-black market in Texas. That is why most of the states think that Texas is radical even though their system works well.

Ontario's restricted gun owners are currently fighting a change to the ATT system. This change was introduced earlier this year and further restricts law abiding gun owners. New ATT's are worded so that you are only allowed to transport your restricted firearm(s) to your club. Transportation to other clubs now requires a written invitation from that club.
Unfortunately, the Canadian constitution does not offer individuals the same level of personal freedom as our American cousins. In Canada, we are free to accept the rule of law imposed by the majority. In the USA, they're free to reject the rule of law imposed by the majority.
It might seem like a technicality, but it's not. It's just about the most important difference between us. And, this difference is most apparent in terms of gun ownership.

what bothers me the most with the anti-gun legislation in the US is their constant quotation of "gun-related crime" rates. ive spent the last 4 hours searching the net trying to find the statistics on how many of those gun crimes are commited by legal firearm owners. as you can imagine, no luck in that department.

There is a very clear correlation between Gun crime and anti-gun legislation when concealed carry is concerned. The states with the lowest gun crime rates are also the states with the least restrictive gun laws. on the other side of the coin, the states with the most gun crimes are the ones with the most restrictive gun control laws. It turns into a "chicken or the egg" argument because you could say that those states have restrictive gun laws BECAUSE they have high gun crime rates. I like to think that it is BECAUSE they have restrictive gun legislation that they have high gun crime rates.

All I know is that I would feel alot safer having the option to carry on a day to day basis, rather then relay on the police to protect me. (average calgary police force response time to a violent crime: 11 minutes 07 seconds. Alot can happen in that time)

also from what I understand, there is actually legal concealed carry in Canada... the only issue is that there are about 100 qualifications you have to meet in order to get it. Basically you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your life is in constant danger, and you can not rely on the police to protect you. If i remember correctley, the stat that I read was that in Ontario there are currently 6 (yes... 6!!!) legal conceal carry permits that are active. They belong to high ranking Court Judges based on the fact that there have already been multiple attempts on their life. I will try to find the link that I read that info on for you all.

We need real castle laws in Canada, as well, we need real permits that with proper background checks one could easily get, in a timely manner. We have to many no weapons allowed area's ( guns and knife's ) and this will one day lead to a mass shooting event.

Criminals do not like to follow proper social direction on signs; rather it is an invitation to do their willing. Don't get mad at me cause I would defend my home with a firearm against someone that wished to do me or my family harm; rather I hope that a few on the jury to decide my fate, had the balls and understanding to let me off and set a new standard in this country; and this is my own belief that will happen in our courts one day, and has happened kinda already. But, one day hopefully without the courts and police trying to protect the criminals, and giving up on the belief that if you defend yourself, you will be held in court until bankrupt.

In my area, the police show up, and stay for almost every event. From a baseball game, to hockey, to a school play. Almost every event that could take place in public; so this is great for stopping a wannabe mass shooter. But then again I work with hundreds of people in a completely weapons free area outside of town limits; that you could and would get punished, even for having forgot to remove you hunting knife from you car before coming onto their property; let alone having a firearm in your car. Their is something unsettling about that with me. The sign says all I can do is hide and hope not to be one of the shot before the police could come to my rescue; as an avid shooter I do know how many bullets one could shot down range, and it is in a really short period of time, let me tell you. I would much rather help defend my place of work along some of my co-workers and just stop that shooter before the harm could be done. With the more and more "safety" culture we have going here in Canada I am surprised, If my employer doesn't want me to be able to defend myself at or to and from work, then I would like many armed security guards everywhere that could defend me if needs arrive. But sadly that will not happen until something does happen. 🙁 boo-erns. Why not prevent it in the 1st place! Perhaps, I should bring this up at a safely meeting; just to see if they had ever thought of having armed guards around.

Wish me luck on my future conversations on this topic, lets not relearn the painful mistakes that have already happened in north america in the past 30 years because of "weapons free area's" and their open invitations to disturbed minds.

The Canadian gov. is looking to go the way of Brittan and have a total gun ban. As the days go by you will find that there will be more stricter gun laws not lesser. Despite the hand gun laws that we have now, crimes with guns have gone up. Why, because the majority of gun crimes are not done by law abiding people that have registered their guns, but by people that by their guns on the black market, that are smuggled in from the states. Brand new guns that have never had an entry permit are showing up in raids. The gun registration was made so that the local cops can get an easier, "probable cause" entry into your home without a warrant. You can be sure that if TSHTF comes about, there will be a special squad coming into your house by any means with a special coverall warrant to seize all weapons and ammunitions. 👿

I have to disagree. Outside the United States, Canada is the only country to roll back firearms restrictions in the last twenty years. Crime stats have shown that there is a marked decrease in violent crime at this point as has been the trend since 1978. While it is only a point or two decrease and nothing like that of the US with the lowest violent crime rates since the DOJ/BOS began keeping records, it is still a decrease. What we are seeing is an increase in the use of smuggled handguns being used in crime, to the tune of between 70-95% depending upon where, when and who is crunching the numbers.

As for a special squad coming to take your guns in a SHTF event, really? They barely have enough people on the ground during periods of calm, how in the hell do you expect them to find the manpower for that when their jurisdiction is falling apart? Every police constable I know has said they'll be looking to get home and protect their families. You'll be on your own.

-S.

To take a note from the American Katarina incident, the Gov. hired outside security agencies to seize without warrants, any and all weapons that were in the afflicted areas. Do you really think that our Gov. would not so the same. 👿

I agree with it, I would feel a lot safer fishing in the back country with a hand gun at my side

http://www.gunpolicy.org

The above link has a lot of interesting information about the gun policies for countries all over the world and has an application where one can compare specific countries against one another. My conclusion is that I am thankful to live in Canada (for many, many reasons) and that by the numbers, one may conclude that the incredibly low murder rate involving fire arms has something to do with our governments policies regarding fire arms. While I'm certain that for the most part, our peers on these pages would be among the most responsible users of more liberal gun carry regulation, like driving, it's the other percentage of twits out there that I worry on.

Play around on the attached site. Find the countries with the most liberal gun policies. Compare them against countries like ours. See where it takes you.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/4832

"(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into;"

Thanks for the link antsy. So would a locked vehicle be considered a "locked container"? If so, does that mean that you could have a non-restricted fire arm with a trigger lock stored in your vehicle, as long as you lock the doors when you are not inside?