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It's because of losers killing cops that they want to crack down.
There have been situations where they find body armour in a dude's car with a known history but can not do anything.
What would a civilian need body armoir for, other than sport shooting?
If Red Dawn happens, then no one is going to be able to resist a group of Commandos.
Too much control is never a good thing either.
I hope more bad guys will be able to get body armour now that it's illegal... 👿 🙄 ❗
As usual with the wonderful constitution rammed up our Canadian A$% in 1980... it is less possible and more wrong to protect ourselves.
Hmmm, maybe I should rethink the quiet part...
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Many new laws are driven by political reaction, not by thought.
The losers whom want to bring harm to any type of controlling element, from their daddy to the police, will continue to do so. They do not abide by, or fear a piece of paper. This is why prisons exist.
We civilians should have the right to own body armour. I use mine like safety glasses and hearing protection.
Something my father once said, "It's not against the law to rob a bank, but it is against the law to get caught robbing a bank."
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
Maybe a little off topic, but are there any rifle models that fir .45 acp ammunition?
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My friend just bought the non-restricted Kriss Vector.
It uses Glock magazines so having a 10 round rifle with magazines you can buy anywhere is great.
We sighted in a Bushnell ACOG-like scope. About a $2000 rifle.
Beretta Storm use to be in .45 ACP, but not sure if they make them anymore.
Check out the Just RIGHT Carbine. A friend has one in 45 ACP. Paid around $800.00. He loves it.
Ruger used to make a lever action carbine, you might get lucky and find one used.
Hmmm, maybe I should rethink the quiet part...
My friend just bought the non-restricted Kriss Vector.
It uses Glock magazines so having a 10 round rifle with magazines you can buy anywhere is great.
We sighted in a Bushnell ACOG-like scope. About a $2000 rifle.
Beretta Storm use to be in .45 ACP, but not sure if they make them anymore.
How does your friend like the Kriss vector? It looks like it might be a bit heavy?
If you plan on getting what you pay for then buy a Kriss. $2000.00 so they bite the paycheck. At about 6 lbs loaded, they are not heavy at all. In fact they are plesently light and easy to handle.
Pros for me are: Non restricted, Good design, built for battle, easy to field service and uses a common calibre I am very familiar with.
I don't have one because of the price tag, but if I wanted a carbine that would eat the same ammo as my leg mount, I would love to save up and get the Kriss.
But because of cost I would probably go this way.
A friend has a Just Right Carbine and loves it, but I think the Kriss is built better. I think the JRCarbine is a good buy at $800ish. You can get it in 9mm, 40 S&W or 45 ACP.
For the same reasons I like The Tavor. However I most likely will have a KelTec SU-16 for it's $800.00 price tag.
Hmmm, maybe I should rethink the quiet part...
Dont shoot the messanger; lol...I found this thought I might post it....
http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/03/27/8-must-have-guns-for-the-doomsday-prepper/
http://www.gunsandammo.com/2011/11/15/the-8-best-guns-for-zombie-killing/
Better to have it and not need it; then to need it and not have it...
Well the question was about defense if you are not firearm certified if I read this correctly.
Range weapons such as crossbows or Bow and arrow type are great if you have operational room, though once you learn to shoot you will find that a bow is way quicker on the reload , point and fire.
In home defense most encounters are close up if indoors, that means striking type weapons,(baseball bat, golf club,) may be more than enough to deal with most situations, the 2, I suggest are just because most people know exactly how to swing them but you can use all kinds of other items around your home, so place things where you can get them if you need them. Edged weapons are another consideration but if you don't like guns you probably won't be willing to bury one to the hilt.
REMEMBER: a weapon is a weapon in anyones hands, so they can be used on you as well, so if you absolutely feel in jeopardy of your life then you have to make a judgement on how you will use a weapon or force for that matter.
For many the only answer is guns, but that is not always true. ... especially now a days when the gun safe is in one place, the bullets are in another lock down and the keys are in still another place. That makes it very slow to get your firearm out and ready when you need it scenario, but that damn bat laying by the bed is there right now.
Now for the disclaimer; I don't recommend violence or use of weapons as a safe or legal action, dial 911 let the police deal with it, or you might be the one in court.
Things I say are my opinion, which is like belly buttons everybody has one.
Anything I say is not meant to anger or offend just to encourage discussion between adults.
My friend loves his Kriss Vector and he plans on getting a Sig pistol in .45ACP next weekend to keep with the common ammo philosophy.
Some people buy a gun for 'home defense" but have no idea how Close Quarters battle works or how easily their course of fire will injure or kill their family members/neighbours.
Loading any firearm in a confused, blurry state is more likely to end in tragedy.
For non gun owners AND gun owners, a 911 call is first & foremost.
My first line of defense is three trained German Shepherds to first alert my family then take care of the problem should a door get kicked in.
Second step is to either grab the Jr Louisville Slugger or one of my expandable steel batons bedside. Close quarters and long bats means more broken drywall than bad guys.
My kids have Katana swords for poking bad guys if cornered. They know stylized 'Kill Bill' type strikes do not work, as taught by their Sensei in Karate w/weapons classes.
I have machetes & other edged weapons close by but they are very messy & you could easily cut yourself in a frenzy & bleed out. Again, training.
In a non-home invasion but civil unrest/riot on your street scenario for gun owners:
If one is awake and can see the 'bad guy' coming, then I would produce my 12 ga with non-lethal rounds I bought here in Alberta. I keep a variety on my side saddle. VZ Star, Rubber Buck Shot, Rubber Ball & more persuasive rounds. Load according to the threat level.
Keep in mind that a 911 call is always the best option. Running around with a firearm could get you shot by the police in your own house. Firearms should only be used if 911 is unavailable.
There are pistol rounds (sometimes labeled Law Enforcement) that are designed to stop inside the bad guy and not have the energy to go through too much. Unless you are trained for close quarters, are an excellent shot with no chance of missing AND are prepared for jail time, I would avoid this option. I spent a lot of money for these and will never use them. I bought them on un-educated impulse.
Most people take their firearms to the range, shoot off a static bench at a motionless paper target. This is not even close to adequate training.
If you want to be a better shooter, take your IPSC Black Badge course and start shooting on the move at both static & moving targets. Some of our "3-gun" matches involve close quarter engagement. That will increase your ability to shoot in a chaotic setting as you shoot around good guys to engage targets.
This is a bit more realistic and better for your understanding of close quarters battle, but paper & steel do not shoot back or want to kill you.
All four of my family members have their PAL's and two of us shoot IDPA, IPSC & 3-gun. The other two are very proficient in their handling and use of their own firearms.
It is still not a good idea to have them lock and load with an urban scenario.
I wouldn't trust my neighbour to start shooting at a home invader without stray rounds ripping through my house.
does it cost money to compete in IPSC events?
See you all after.