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Buggie
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Hello again everyone.

As stated in another thread, I have put together this post to help everyone understand the need to protect ourselves from Fire emergency events in a SHTF scenario, or if our local resources are to thinly spread to assist us immediately. I hope you will all read this and start adding Fire Prevention methods to your preps, if you havnt already. I feel that Fire is one of the most misunderstood and underestimated threats to a prepper, both before and after shtf.

Before I go any further, here are some links to provide you with some information in regards to the City of Calgarys Official Disaster Emergency plans (as requested at one of the meetings). If you are located in another city or region, you should be able to find similar information on your Municipal governments website.

http://www.calgary.ca/CSPS/Fire/Pages/Calgary-Emergency-Management-Agency/Calgary-Emergency-Management-Agency.aspx CEMA (Calgary Emergency Management Agency) is the governing body in Calgary that is responsible for dealing with any major Emergency. It is a conglomorate of several different branches of emergency service providers such as Police, Fire, Medical, Infrastructure, just to name a few. If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you will find a link for The City of Calgarys Municipal Emergency Plan. This is for public viewing, so please look it over if you want clarification on CEMA and its responsibilities.

http://www.calgary.ca/CSPS/Fire/Pages/Calgary-Emergency-Management-Agency/72-hour-kit.aspx The City of Calgary recommends every household have a 72 hour kit prepped and ready at all times. They even put together a video and an external website to assist people in Prepping. (try to tell me that the government doesnt know its all going to hell!).

Ok, So to start us all off, I think it would be prudent to explain a few things about Fire.

1) Fire is the great destroyer. It will consume everything in its path if you let it.
2) It only takes a minute for a fire to go from a small flame to engulfing an entire room and being out of control. see the following video to watch this happen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtjGfr0tYs .
3) Solid and Liquid Fuel (ie: wood, gasoline, etc) do NOT burn. The vapors they give off when heated to a specific temperature (depending on the material) do. The process in which solid fuels are heated to a temperature sufficient enough to "off gas" is called pyrolysis. The process in which liquids are heated to produce a gas is called vaporization.The reason the gasoline will ignite without being heated is because the required temperature for gasoline to vaporize is -65 C. if it is colder than that, gasoline will not produce sufficient vapors to ignite. However, in most places in the world, the temperature is not cold enough to prevent gas from vaporizing, hence its flammable nature. You can actually see the vapors rising off of a pool of gas. At the 30 second mark of the video above, you can see what looks like steam rising from the couch, carpet, and wooden furnature. That is the off gas (result of the pyrolysis of the solid material in this case). Watch as moments after the gas is released from heat, it reaches is flashpoint temperature and ignites, spreading the flames across the room.

Now thats out of the way, let me educate you on some Fire Theory. There is something called the "Fire Tetrahedron" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_triangle#Fire_tetrahedron . Essentially what it means is that in order for a combustion to exist, it technically needs 4 things: Oxygen, Fuel, Heat, and a chemical chain reaction. If you can eliminate or inhibit one of these things, then the fire simply cannot exist. This theory is what all modern fire fighting techniques are based upon.

Here are some examples of stopping each segment of the tetrahedron:

Heat: the most common method is by cooling the atmosphere around the fire, with things such as Water, or another cooling agent.
Oxygen: smothering the fire (think putting a lid on a burning frying pan), or cutting off oxygen from getting into a burning room by closing the doors. In the video above, the fire goes out at around the 1 minute mark because the room is sealed, and it has consumed all of the oxygen, even though there is still plenty of heat and fuel left. If a door was opened and oxygen re-introduced, the flame would re-ignite almost instantley.
Fuel: Something as simple as shutting off a propane tank, or pulling logs out of a campfire.
Chemical Chain Reaction: certain products such as Baking Soda or the dry chemicals found in some Fire extinguishers can stop the reaction between heat, fuel, and oxygen.

Obviously for everyone, as Smokey the Bear said: the best method of dealing with a Fire Emergency is by preventing it before it happens.

Here is where our lesson begins!

1) Smoke Detectors: First and foremost, SMOKE DETECTORS SAVE LIVES. Make sure that your home is equipped with a smoke detector in every room, and that they are functioning properly. Have extra batteries set aside for this purpose. Also, remember to check your detectors regularily. If you are not sure how to do this, you can take them in to your local fire department, and they will check them for you, and will also give you advice on maintenance and instalation. Smoke Detectors are not attached to the grid, and run soley on battery power. Other then after a carrington sized emp event, they should continue to function indefinatley as long as they are maintained and supplied battery power. They provide early detection of a fire, allowing you to deal with it before it gets out of hand (so long as you have methods of putting it out quickly on hand!)

2) Properly Discard Your Oily Rags: Linseed oil rags can spontaneously combust. Some other household chemicals can also spontaneously combust if used with a rag and not properly cleaned or discarded. What happens is that as the oil begins to vaporize it produces heat as a byproduct. when it produces enough heat it will ignite the fumes and viola... fire. here is a video demonstrating it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yq6VW-c2Ts . This is especially dangerous because linseed oil is a very common product used for wood polishing. Anyone with a wooden stock on their fire arm will most likely have done exactly what these people did.

3) Do Not Overload Electrical Outlets: Another somewhat obvious danger are overloaded electrical outlets. The resistance caused by having too much power going through a lead electrical line will cause the wiring to smoke and eventually catch fire. In a sense, it cause friction within the line, causing heat as a byproduct, leading to ignition. Electrical fires are very tricky to deal with because you cant just simply spray water on them to quench the flames. You must either shut off the power sources completley, or use a special smothering agent such as the dry chemicals found in SOME fire extinguishers (I will list these below). The best way to prevent this si to simply not overload the sockets. weve all seen the multi-plug into a multi plug into 24 different appliances before. This is a serious no-no. try to keep it to one plug per socket. If you must have more then one line coming from an individual socket, make sure you have it going through a surge protector power bar. these can be found at places like London Drugs, Staples, Wal-Mart, etc. They are very common, very cheap, and can help prevent fire. http://www.walmart.ca/canada-estore/catalog/productlistingpagecontainer.jsp?inputId=40140

4) Fire Extinguishers: I believe it is paramount to have Fire extinguishers on hand in every major area of your home. Areas where Fire inccidents are commong in a normal household are the kitchen, the garage, the workshop, and the furnace room. There are 5 different classes of fire, based on their fuel or energy source: A (wood, cardboard, etc), B (flammable or combustable liquids like gasoline), C (electrical fires), D (combustable metals such as magnesium, etc), and K (kitchen grease fires). A Fire extinguisher will be labled with its class type, and this will tell you what kind of fires they can be used on. So for example, a fire extinguisher rated "A", can only be use don a class "A" fire. it is essentially filled with pressurized water, so would be of no use in a gas or electrical fire. However, and extinguisher rated "ABC" would be good for all 3 of the most common household fires. For this reason, I recommend having at least 1 ABC rated Fire extinguisher in the major areas of your home. They should also be available for easy and quick access as you will not have much time to deal with the Fire threat. Extinguishers rated for D and K class fires will most likley not have any use to you, unless you have a machine shop where you deal with combustable metals, or you do alot of cooking with deep-fryer grease. If you do use grease cooking, then it wouldnt be a bad idea to have a K class extinguisher in your kitchen, just in case. http://www.fire-extinguisher101.com/

5) Baking Soda as an Extinguishing Agent: Baking Soda has many uses in the Prepper wheelhouse, as many of us already know. It also makes an excellent fire extinguishing agent. It can be used to put out K class (grease) fires in the kitchen, and can also be used to put out smaller fires and smouldering embers. The only problem with Baking Soda is that it will only work if the fire is relativeley small and contained. Dumping a whole box of baking soda onto a fully involved room as seen in the christmas tree video would not do anything to stem the damage. However a small fire in the corner of a room, or a grease fire in the kitchen can easily be dealt with by pouring baking soda onto it. Here is the science behind how it works: at 158 degrees Fahrenheit Baking Soda undergoes thermal decomposition to produce Carbon Dioxide as one of the by-products. The Carbon Dioxide reduces the ammount of Oxygen in the atmosphere which takes away one componant of the Fire Tetrahedron... thus eliminating the fire. Ideally for a kitchen grease fire, you would be better off putting a lid on the pot or pan and smothering the fire by leaving it closed for at least 30 minutes (to allow it to cool enough to not re-ignite). However, if a lid is not available, use a liberal ammount of baking soda. DO NOT PUT WATER ON A GREASE OR LIQUID FUEL FIRE!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9vuA3ljus

6) Our Homes are Designed to Burn: Household fires are very different today then they used to be. In decades past, homes used to be constructed from solid wood trusses and supports, Solid wood doors, wooden furnature, etc. Today (to save costs, and as a result of the exportaiton of most of our straight pieces of wooden lumber to the US), more and more canadian homes are being constructed with engineered wood products. These are essentially pruducts made from wood shavings and glue (think plywood). even our trusses and supports are made of these. Engineered wood products burn at a much faster rate then standard lumber because the Glue acts as an accelerant, and the wood shavings allow for greater surface area expossure to the heat. Drywall is has an excellent fire rating (meaning it takes long to burn through), with some products featuring a 1 Hour burn resist time. However, in order to get this burn rating the layers must be doubled upon eachother in two layers. Newer homes are no longer required to use 2 layers of drywall, and have instead gone with one layer (again, to save the builders the cost). this leaves you with a much lower fire rating (fire can spread quicker). Also a new hazard to our homes is what we furnish them with. Older homes had natural materials and products furninshing their rooms, but nowadays everything is made from plastic and petroleum products. So in a sense, EVERYTHING in your house is an accelerate. With modern furnishings, a Room can become completley involved in a fire in under 3 minutes. Always be sure of what new furnature you purchase is made of, and try to stay away from synthetic materials if you can help it. By removing easy fuel for a fire, you will be able to contain it better and buy yourself some time to deal with it.

7) Construction Materials: as stated above, modern building materials are chosen for their inexpensiveness. However these products are usually derived from plastics or petroleum products, and as a result have a much lower ignition temperature then natural products. The best building materials for preventing Fire spread and damage are natural earth based building materials, such as Brick, Concrete, metals (such as steel... but it must be a high quality, heat tolerable steel... hard to find nowadays in building material). If you have the option, live in a solid wood framed home (basically anything built pre-1990), or better yet something built from brick, concrete, or stone. this will allow your walls to maintaint their structural integrity during a fire helping prevent a collapse. Also it prevents fire spread because these materials do not burn... where as vinyl siding burns like a wick, allowing fire to spread wherever it wants.

8) Water storage: The majority of fires can be dealt with using water. There are some exeptions as I have outlined above, but for the most part and for our purposes as preppers, Water will usually do the trick (except gas... once again NEVER PUT WATER ON A LIQUID OR ELECTRICAL FIRE!!!). Having access to ample water will give you a great edge in dealing with a fire .

What to do if youve found a fire, and its to big to be extinguished

1) If the door to the room is open, CLOSE IT! this will help contain the heat and smoke within the involved room, buying you and your loved ones time to escape. Remember, the average fire will take only a few minutes to spread into a total hellfire, so every second counts.

2) If you belive there is a fire behind a closed door, check the door handle for heat. Most doorhandles will be warm if there is a fire in the house, but the one that leads to the seat of the fire will be extremely hot. Do not go in. If the fire has been starving for oxygen, iopening the door will feed it and it will ignite, and could possibly cause a backdraft explosion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N-u5YkwRBg

3) Have a Bugout Bag ready to go. I know that there is alot of discussion on these forums about the choice of Bugging in or Bugging out, but lets face it. even if you plan to Bug in, you never know what could happen! Always have a survival kit ready to go incase something (such as a fire) forces you out of your house in a hurry. The last thing you want to do is be crawling around in the smoke trying to remember what important things you need to grab and save from the fire. Have everything ready to go PRIOR TOO!

4) keep copies of important documents somewhere outside of your home. There is no such thing as a fire proof safe, so do not be fooled by advertisement. The best you can hope for is that the resistant qualities will last long enough to outlive the fire. It can be devestating to lose things like birth certificates, wills, insurance policies (especially now that your home is on fire), so by keeping off site copies you will have protected yourself from that mishap.

5) Have Regularily Scheduled Fire Drills in Your Home: I cant stress this enough. as Preppers we should understand the importance of pre-planning, and I think it should go without saying that a Fire in your Home will definatley cause panic. You need to have a plan of action. Here is a good website describing the importance of fire drills, as well as tips on how to prepare one for your family http://www.3minutedrill.alberta.ca/ .

6) When fleeing from a fire, get down as low to the ground as you can. Heat and SMoke will rise to the ceiling, and as they accumulate they will push downwards towards the ground, forming what is know as a "heat ceiling". the distance of a few inches lower could make as much as 200-300 degrees difference in temperature. Also, cover your face with as much fabric as you can to filter the air you breath, It will not be 100% effective, but it may buy you enough time to get out. Having an N95 particle mask hanging with your fire extinguisher is also a very good idea, as this will provide some breathing protection.

7) Once outside of a burning building, DO NOT GO BACK IN. even as much as 24 hours after a fire has completley gone out, there may be enough toxic gasses such as Carbon Monoxide in the air to kill you without personal protective equipment. Unfortunatley without dedicated Proffesional Fire Department Personel, once a building has become fully involved in Fire, there is little chance of it being extinguished. It will eventually burn itself out.

Once again, your best bet for Fire protection is to stop it before it starts. Next I would recommend several ABC rated Fire extinguishers in all major areas of your home or property. If it is to much for you to handle, GET OUT IMMEDIATLEY! grab your bugout bag and run out with your loved ones. a few breaths of toxic smoke can cause you to pass out. one to two breaths of searing hot air will burn your lungs and you will choke on yourself and die. There is a reason fire fighters wear all that equipment.

That is all for now everyone. I will probobly add more later on, and I will be sure to let you all know if I update this post. Please take care out there, and please keep the dangers of Fire in the back of your mind. It can happen to anyone at any time, and we would all be better served if we learned how to do our best to prevent and defend ourselves against it. Obviously, the first thing you should do in Any fire is escape and call 9-11, but if the day ever comes where they dont answer, you need to be prepared. Please feel free to ask me any question, and Post ideas for others!

additional links:
City of Calgary Home Safety Program http://www.calgary.ca/CSPS/Fire/Pages/Programs/Community-programs/Home-safety-program.aspx
Fire Response During SHTF http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2989

*Disclaimer: Please do your own research to confirm the opinions and information above. I am not posting this as a representative of any organization and my opinions are my own*


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Buggie
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I added points 6/7 under "what to do when you discover a fire"


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Thank you for taking the time to post this Buggie! We just had new smoke detectors installed and are getting new extinguishers as ours have expired.



   
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Fire is not a thing to be taken lightly at any time I thank Buggie for the posts and helping people become aware of the dangers associated with fires. Smoke alarms are a must and in Ontario it is the law that there must be a smoke alarm on every level of a residence and outside all sleeping areas. Few of us have experienced a fire. As a volunteer fireman I can honestly say that this is one experience that you can definitely without.

Once started fires grow at an unbelievable rate. Please spend the two minutes to watch the video in the link: http://www.stamfordfiretruths.org/index.php/2010/06/10/how-fast-does-a-fire-grow-you-ask/

Install smoke alarms and develop an evacuation plan with your family. Practice your plan on a regular basis so that should a fire occur your actions will be automatic. If your alarm does go off evacuate the building and call the fire brigade from a neighbors house. If the alarm sounds don't go looking for the fire the time it takes you to look can prove disastrous. In the video it takes a few seconds for the smoke alarms to sound. Within 2 minutes that room was engulfed. Imagine you are woken in the middle of the night how long would it take you and your family to become mobile? If the alarm sounds evacuate!

Fire extinguishers are useful but IMO over rated. If it is a VERY small fire, contained and you are right there you MIGHT be successful in extinguishing the fire. Extinguishers last for only a few seconds and even though they may put out the flames there is a good chance the fire will reignite. Don't take the chance, evacuate with your family. I lost two friend a few years back who alerted other members of the family to the fire and then tried to put it out.

If there is a fire priority one is to protect life. Remember, objects can be replaced, people can’t! Never re-enter a burning building. GET OUT & STAY OUT!



   
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Buggie
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Thanks for linking that video ICRCC, that really demonstrates how Fires have changes with the way we furnish our homes. A very scary visual indeed when you consider that within 3 minutes the apartment is completley destroyed. At around the 1 minute mark the smoke detectors start to go off, which leaves you with less then 2 minutes to get yourself out. Try doing that without practice...


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I would like to add in a few thoughts on the fire prevention in a different light.

During my military time, we were always told to sleep with a knife beside us in the tent in case we needed to cut our way free while in the tent. Due to someone's drinking one night (odd day off), we did indeed need those knives. Old Canvas goes up very quickly and the sleeping bags catch fire so fast it is down right scary to see and be a part of it.

Perhaps you might take precautions for when a fire has started? Knives to assist getting out of tents or structures, some strategically placed sledge hammers and or fire axes in the structures. Last but not least, fire extinguishers, new foamy type and if you can find the older brass/metal water filled pump ups, with hoses. We had fire stations with these pumpers as well as axes and buckets of sand to throw on the fires.

OP..this was a very good thread, one that I would like to see in the main section, you did a very good job!



   
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Buggie
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Just a quick note in addition to what I wrote about Fire ratings for building materials.

The first important aspect of direct flame contact is flame spread, which is the rate at which flame travels over the surface of a substance. Interior building materials and finishes have what is called a "flame spread rating", which indicates the relative rate at which flame will spread over the surface of the material. This rating is a number determined from laboratory testing. The higher the number, the faster the flame will travel over the material’s surface. A zero rating indicates there will be no flame spread over that material. The highest value assigned to flame spread is 200.

Flame Spread ratings:

Material Rating
Brick 0 (This number applies to nearly ALL earth based building materials... ie: stone, concrete, etc)
Fire-retardant-treated Plywood 0-25
Gypsum Wallboard 10-15
Western Red Cedar 69
Plywood, Pine 120-140
Fiberboard, Medium Density 167
Particle Board 116-178
Gasoline 200 (threw this in here just for reference sake)

Unfortunatley as I stated earlier... the higher the flame spread rating, the cheaper the product, and of course the cheaper the product, the more it is used in our building construction. Make an effort to find out what your home is made out of!!!


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Antsy
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FYI

If you are interested if obtaining fire rated plywood here in Calgary, Demers Myers Lumber on 42nd Ave SE is the only place where I have consistently been able to buy it. A 3/4" sheet runs about $75.

Antsy


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this is a great post Buggie!

here is a link to the BC FireSmart manual: http://embc.gov.bc.ca/ofc/interface/index.htm . It has a lot of good info for protecting rural homes and property. Here in the BC interior, I'm more worried about a forest fire sweeping through than my house catching fire! A big spring project for me every year is clearing the forest around my house - thinning the large trees, removing small trees and shrubs, and pruning all branches below 6'.



   
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Great post Buggie. Just to add a little something, when buying extinguishers, don't buy the cheap ones with the plastic tops. Sure they are cheap, but extinguishers, even if it is your home extinguishers, should be recertified annually. Some places have it so that you can have your extinguisher recharged for free. However, the cheap ones can't be recharged. Well they can, but if they break during the process the people doing the recert won't except liability for the plastic ones. When I was a firefighter on CFB Cold Lake we made sure to inform everybody when doing PMQ visitations that the base firehall will recharge metal top extinguishers for no charge, but wouldn't for the plastic tops.

Also you can get Forestry Firefighting packs thru Acklands. And for that matter extinguishers too. As well, depending on the company that you work for, sometimes employees of those companies get discounts at Acklands as well. We did when I was in the mob and do from shell.

And another note, don't store material under your stairs. I know it's a great place for storage, but if a fire starts under your stair and they are your only means of egress, you're pooched. And don't store flammables in your basement. If you can, get a type of fire locker, store all flammables in said locker and put it in your garage or shed. Shed is preferable if your garage is attached to your home.



   
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Buggie
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Good additions gunnerdog. As always, when purchasing ANY type of prep that your life will absolutley depend on... Buy the best quality you can afford. Sure you may save a buck with "cheapies", but ask yourself this: how much is your life and that of your loved ones worth?"


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thanks for the info,very helpfull



   
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