Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance, I'm really sick of that word..... Bear,, just who do you work for?

I didn't put anyone down.... just stating facts.

What does who I work for have any bearing on anything? If you are stating "facts" could you site your source please? I believe you are stating your opinion.... just as I am. There is a large difference.

It is only legal for a licensed veterinarian to put a dog down in Canada. Special circumstance and laws are also in place for registered farmers and their livestock.

Abortion laws in Canada are at the click of your mouse, you look it up.

All I said is that I was "surprised and interested" at the responses of two threads thus far regarding our pets as preppers, and IT will separate the men from the boys. Fact.

What I want to know is when are we going to stop abusing vegetables?

Not really sure how my attitude toward my dog is going to decide if I or many like me are a "man" or a boy...

Regarding putting down pets..."According to University of Ottawa law professor Daphne Gilbert, it’s perfectly legal to kill pets in Canada. Animals are considered personal property under the law, and people have the right to dispose of their pets as they choose, she says, as long as it’s not done “in a way that was intended to inflict suffering.”

What I want to know is when are we going to stop abusing vegetables?

I hate to say it, but when SHTF, you should be mentaly prepared to eat your vegitables. even though they may have served you faithfully over the years, when it comes down to you or them, I think the choice is obvious. Many people get upset about the idea of having to eat your families vegitables as a last resort, but the fact is that it has happened in the past, and will happen again. I hope this never happens to anyone here, but the cold hard truth is that it just might.

Well first I wouldnt assume everyone here is or considers themselves a "prepper". I am not one at all by what I read on these boards, rather more interested in more sustainable living and practices. Dissappointing doesnt begin to express the info on these boards and how it relates to my interest, but there isnt a site as such that I have found (other than the odd individual blog) were people are "actively" engaged in such or I would be there rather than here.
I know of no one who has elevated pets past humans period. You may percieve it as so, but when push comes to shove the order of things will be as it always has been.
Surviving and living are two seprate things, you may buy yourself a few more days eating fido, but you will not be living, existing yes.
I am not aware that you cant shoot your dog in Alberta, as I have had to do so myself do to injury , can you point to that law? and is there not a exception in the case of suffering?
Separating men from boys wont be deceided by which one will eat their dog, Though a stronger arguement could made that the hungry one who deciedes not to dine on fido is the former.
Am I correct in understanding that you are ok in your daughter getting a abortion without your consent when she is not a minor?

Again, I wont be eating my dog, we have a agreement, I dont eat him, he doesnt eat me...its worked so far......Your dog on the other hand I have no such agreement with.

What I want to know is when are we going to stop abusing vegetables?

I hate to say it, but when SHTF, you should be mentaly prepared to eat your vegitables. even though they may have served you faithfully over the years, when it comes down to you or them, I think the choice is obvious. Many people get upset about the idea of having to eat your families vegitables as a last resort, but the fact is that it has happened in the past, and will happen again. I hope this never happens to anyone here, but the cold hard truth is that it just might.

Oh that is just SICK. 😉

If you are at the point of either eating a pet or not eating at all, I would suggest that you are already "done". The scenario you propose is one where the food is gone and all you have left is your loyal friend (well, obviously not all of us believe they are friends, some believe they are just "a snack on the hoof") which might provide one day or two for your dinners, what is next on your list? If you need to survive to the bitter end, are you then willing to kill your neighbours just so your family can eat? It seems that you have a real chip on your shoulder concerning other males not being male enough for your liking, and now you are just venting about tolerance and I am beginning to think that you wouldn't be a team player for anyone else other than yourself in a SHTF situation. Remind me not to keep you on my list of people to contact in an emergency.

This thread has touched a few raw nerves. I know that during the WW2 in Europe many people ate cats knowingly or not. One older guy I know told me that once skinned with the heads and tails cut off he would tell his family that is was a rabbit.

For me our pet rabbits and pet ducks would become supper. My cats or my dog never. Analog man wrote " I won't be eating my dog, we have a agreement, I don't eat him, he doesn't eat me." same here. If my husky is the only food left, a situation that I personally find totally inconceivable, then we are both done. Hmm, do you think at this point she will uphold her part of the agreement?

Analog man wrote " I won't be eating my dog, we have a agreement, I don't eat him, he doesn't eat me." same here. If my husky is the only food left, a situation that I personally find totally inconceivable, then we are both done. Hmm, do you think at this point she will uphold her part of the agreement?

nope

I wouldn't eat my dog(s). I had actually in the past thought I would, but then considering how desperate I would have to be to do so, and how much more time it would buy me, it's just not worth it. This is why I will be keeping animals specific for eating (rabbits, fish, etc.). My dogs are for working, companionship, protection, and warmth.

Some nerves get touched and that is part of being in an OPEN forum. There are no threats to anyone on here, just a matter of differing opinion. The Crier has touched nerves before but that is good and leads to open dialog that is how people truly feel. Your preps and how to attain those preps is but one part of the SHTF scenario, attitude is another. Cannibalism has and does happen in other countries so one would think bringing up a pet as dinner is a simple topic that would be rather easy to answer. Just because his way of thinking does not conform to others does not make it any less valid. In fact this type of discussion IS something that one would encounter. Tolerance is part of a thin veil of society that we have known since birth and one that can vaporize rather quickly.

Lets be honest, if you want to learn about water, food, and canning etc etc, there are other postings for that. This post is "The Reality of SURVIVING" not prepping, SURVIVING and eating a pet would fall into that category. His definition of a man is different than others and that is what makes people unique. For a universal response perhaps we should talk about whether you would rather eat dirt or strawberries.

Buggie I think you might be right. 😥

I agree with Gravelore. Thecrier has had several posts in the last couple of weeks that people have regarded as "less then polite". I think that thecrier has done a good job of shedding light on several things that people feel uncomfortable considering, and I feel that is important for any prepper to know where their line in the sand truely is. The fact is, that part of being prepared is planning for EVERYTHING you can think of, good or bad. Its nice to think that wou will be able to live out SHTF without any issues at all, and life will continue on for you in your bubble peacefully. Food will be plentiful, rain will fall every 3 days to refill your stores, and starving marauders will never turn down your stretch of driveway.

If you dont want to end up having to eat your pets... then prep accordingly. Make it so that it should never have to happen. One of the cold realities of being a SHTF TEOTWAWKI style of prepper is that you have no idea what hardships may befall you. Say for example that you stock a years worth of food for your faithful pet. During that year everything goes as according to plan as you can expect it (because you were a smart prepper) and you and your family are still safe. However, you do not have any renewable food source. your water stockpiles are dwindling. You have only prepared enough canned goods and freeze dried goods for you and your family for 1 year, and now they are running out. You do not have a plan to get more food, because you thought it would be over by now. Then one day, the dog food runs out. youve got about 1 month of food left for 4 people and your pets. You have no idea how long it will take you to find a new location with a renewable food source, or if one even exists.

Do you:
a) feed your family and dogs full meals to keep your strength up for the rigorous journey ahead, giving you food for approx 3 weeks?
b) ration food for everyone and your dogs giving you food for 4 weeks?
c) give your family full meals for 4 weeks, and leave the dogs to fend for themselves for as long as they can
d) kill the dogs to give you and your family food for 5 weeks

the point is that you can never know exactley what your scenarios will be. all you can do is imagine the worst case scenario and prep accordingly. For many, that worst case scenario sounds like having to eat your pets. SO PREP ACCORDINGLY SO IT NEVER HAS TO HAPPEN. Just be aware that failure to do so may lead to you and your family having to make some very difficult decisions regarding your animals. Furthermore, would it make a difference to anyone if their "pet" is a yorkshire terrier lap dog, or a tried tested and true hunting coon hound. Perhaps it may be worth it for you to keep the animal alive by sharing your stores with it, provided that it may help you and your family survive. But would it be worth it for an animal that in SHTF would serve no more real purpose then giving you love?

Some people need an animals love to survive, and that is fine. Again, just assess your situation, your worst case scenario, and prep accordingly. If you must have little rufus around until the bitter end, when everything is gone, and there is nothing left to do but put bullets into the two of you, then so be it. Just be prepared for it, and do everything you can to make sure it never comes to that.

remember murphies law: Anything that you dont think will happen, will.