I went back and corrected some of the muddle in my previous post as I was in a hurry when I composed it. Didn't sound too intelligent.

Antsy - I don't know that it's up to adherents to prove the truth of their claims. I think the best we can do is show that our claims are reasonable. Now that doesn't mean that there aren't things that we believe that don't surpass the natural capacity of our reason, nevertheless they don't contradict reason, but rather just reach beyond it's normal unaided human capacity. After all it's faith, which is based on realities which we cannot necessarily pin under a microscope or catch in a telescope.

Back in the day when I finally gave up arguing against God, I discovered that his fingerprints are all over creation. Look at Picasso's paintings, they give you clues about their artist, now look at the beauties, intricacies and powers of nature and you will discover attributes of the invisible artist behind these great works. Compare Picasso's finest to the humblest mongrel, and you're still quantum leaps ahead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17edn_RZoY

Believe you me, I barely can sign on. Just living it and saying what I believe weather it comes from grandma, a book or I heard this or that, or maybe something I just know in my heart. (Something isn't right with this world and how we live and its not sustainable) Relax cats, We will have fun trying and it will be better than any alternative.

Hey landfinder,if you will lead,I will follow.Where do I sign.

I am a 43 yr old man(Jeff), I bring to the table bushcraft/survival/security(firearms). I have a background in roofing and equipment operating. Mild mannered and quiet. Love animals and would really like to get my hands dirty in a garden, willing to do whatever it takes and learn as well. The simple life off the grid is my dream and am ready on a moments notice. I am also a critical thinker but rarely express my opinion unless asked, I prefer to lead by example.

Am unattached and have only myself to bring. I am stuck in the city and looking for this type of arrangement and am interested in starting right away if you have things going already, or want to get started I am available.

There are few different threads in the AB section that discuss the idea of a collective purchase of land either for an off-grid community or as a place for people to use for camping and getting away from the city while they also set up small caches of supplies and gardens, etc on site. I'd have to look way back to early or mid 2012 to find those threads. There were some good ideas for both options; a permanent community vs a long-term BOL that could serve as a 'camp-ground'.

I'll try to look for those threads this week.

I don't understand why so many of you are so disillusioned with Land finders plan, yet offer no other alternative. He is so far as I have found the only one to 1. generously offer his land, 2. try to put together a group with varied skillsets, and 3. prepare for spiritual needs of the group.

If you are a detractor, please offer a different plan not just negatively disregard his.

There are 3 things needed for survival. Food, water, and shelter yet his plan goes beyond these things.

I have never heard of a better plan than his.

I believe that the chances of a non-religious communal lifestyle working are nil and the chances of a religious lifestyle working are slim. The reason for that is simple - sin.

You will have power struggles, infighting, backbiting, laziness, sexual misconduct, infidelity, dishonesty, stealing, etc. When it finally comes time to banish someone, or when someone decides to leave, there won't be enough trust to let them go alive - instead they will be perceived as a threat to opsec which someone will take care of with a bullet. Once the first person has been "taken care of", the spiral will continue.

Sin has brought this world to it's multiplicity of crises, and hiding out in a commune with other survivalists will magnify that reality.

That brings me to what I believe is the most central point of prepping and what makes me feel like an outsider here - namely that the underlying problem behind all others is sin and any amount of prepping will fall short without taking that fully into account.

Please offer your alternative rather than just being a detractor to this plan.

land finder, interestingly, I have read that there were instances where the native Indians did not live in harmony with the land and animals and depletions caused die offs of tribes or the need for a nomadic existence . They certainly never lived in harmony with one another either, lots of warfare and raiding between tribes and what is the root of that if they lived in harmony and abundance for 1000's of years ?

Again, please offer your alternative.

The original post:

Just wanted to get your feedback on the documentary called Thrive. After watching it my wife ordered me to buy more guns and ammo. Also we are going to start our own commune which will be sovereign with our own constitution and protection among a lot of other things. We will be recruiting aprox 40 to 50 like minded people who bring specific skills. We have the land and water already just need to put together the human factor.

You have a plan and you are looking to recruit people into your plan. Good for you! A good post, too bad it got somewhat sidetracked with discussions that rightly belong in the Fringe Forum. Let’s keep all further posts in this thread on track regarding Landfinders request.

I think many people would like know what your general location is Landfinder. I am in Northern Ontario and while I am not looking for a group to join I know that many, many people are. Good luck with your endeavour. If you keep working at it you will succeed.

Hi M5

I already have my own land, and my own group of carefully selected invited folks in case of a issue, plus a continued working and building network of my own locals.. that is my alternative..

I agree with others that you can build things faster in a group, you can expand the overall groups workability by having different people that are strong in different skills.

have you watched and read about the thrive movie itself? Its not the idea of joint working land together that is a issue for me, I am all for that when the time comes, but until then, everyone in my own group has their own home, lives, land, jobs and function in a typical way in life at large.

We may be preparing for what can happen but we are also very much living in the now as well.

We've all had our time of awakening. For Land Finder it was Thrive. For me it was something much more sinister and controversial.
The important part of this thread was for him to offer to the people who have no place to go a choice. Being willing to share the bounty which life has afforded his family is extremely generous.

Quite right M590a1! Well now the thread is back on track we can hope that Landfinder will get some positive responses.

Yes, it would be helpful to know of Landfinder's general location/province.....maybe i missed it.
Landfinder's generosity is wonderful in intent. If there is to be the greatest chance for relative harmony, there has to be an agreed protocol/criteria of internal governance.
This takes time to assess with all who step fwd. with this intent. There may be enough time to do this well. See y'all likemindeds in july.
In my view, it should always have been an objective even as the social structure has been dysfunctional. Most all have just been too comfortable, or in denial.

As mentioned in a previous post, this is my ultimate project too,( in mid-Ontario)....based on thorough dialog about shared living values, bottom-line criteria, contingency scenarios.
I also cannot afford to buy enough land by myself, and feel that there must be others who share this longterm ,yet-to- be-defined/refined opportunity....before it has to prove itself as the best preparedness entity possible....again, not just for preparedness, but as a whole way of living anyway.
Farmgal seems to have a great infrastructure and reliable neighbors. Such does not happen overnight. Much impressive work has been shown thru her home-base and skills.

hi Villager

I truly wish you the best of luck in finding the folks and land

You are most correct, it has not happened overnight, its taken years and years of hard work, and I am well aware that take many years of hard work to build steady proven relationships that have been done in good times and stress times..

There is always more to do, learn and share, finding out that I have good and reliable neighors took years of building trust before we have had those talks, years of giving a helping hand and sharing work projects, learning when one leads and other follow and when to flip that coin, and when to just do.

A simple but effective just do would be how we train our draft animals, we are all working with horses (or cow as well in my case) but while we get the same steady results we don't train the same at all, no one is right or wrong on this, no one takes the lead on this, but there are five of us involved and balance is still found..

Time and working side by side will give the answers.. hope you all get the chance to do so..

The land is located approximately 1.5 hours east of Llyodminster Alberta. I was simply wanting to recruit some like minded people to help us survive. I realized we can not protect our bugout and recourses without help. I just wanted people's opinion on thrive at the same time. And for those who think the concept and facts from thrive belong to a fringe site, well I would say wake up. Most of what they talk about we have all known for years, its just now finally on our doorstep knocking. I mean no disrespect to anyone and just looking for help. Like I said if there is infighting or difficult people, they will be free to leave or we even can banish them. Why is that so "out there" Like doctor spock of the starship enterprise once said "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few". But that probably will stir another argument.