Buggin as a group

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so...when is the next get together to brain storm some of these things??? just curious??

so...when is the next get together to brain storm some of these things??? just curious??

Whenever we all get off our behinds to set up a meeting. Which is obviously something we should do. This Sunday is short notice, does anyone want to meet up next Saturday for a lunch-afternoon meeting, on Saturday the 10th of July?

On the Agenda: Group bug out plan, group bug out location, how to live after bugging out, general networking, whatever else we want to talk about.

Lets get this going again.

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How are you identifying what effects a bugging out scenario ?

How are you coming to a consensus on timing of bugging out , especially if communications were to go down , is there a real plan ?

Have you mapped where you are starting from and who has a point where in which to store small caches for the groups
to pick up along the way ?

Anyone designated as an advance to leave with supplies in a vehicle or vehicles immediately upon sensing any impending crisis that others can rendezvous with if it manifests itself as a true bug out crisis ?

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Lots to read here.

If I was you guys I would be looking for something closer to home but away from the choke points at Hope. You may not want to use it as your long term location but it would get you through the initial confusion and allow everyone to get there and sorted out.

Now being from the Interior look at it from our point of view. Something massive happens and all of a sudden 2.4(5) whatever it is now, people start flooding up into Merritt, Lytton, Princeton and Lillooet how well do you think you are going to be received? I know it was brought up by someone in the Cariboo earlier and it was put out that hopefully if the rolls were reversed things would be friendly. But like I said all of a sudden over 2 million refugees come into these communities they will clean the town out of supplies, there will be clashes between the residents and the refugees and eventually its going to get bad. Merritt way might be the safest because you can bypass town and head right on to Kamloops but the other routes could get bad.

Find a good place to hunker down and wait it out before moving on. Remember too if you are going to try and drive out then you will be in traffic and you will need fuel because sitting in traffic and then heading up the Fraser Canyon will be a long haul especially if there is no gas when you get there.

Not saying it will happen this way but it could and you should be ready for something like this.

There is something else you need to consider you are close to the US and what happens if it is something that causes a breakdown in the border? You may be facing an onslaught of American refugees heading to the same places you are.

If you plan is to head to the interior remember that if you head up in the winter you will be facing food shortages and possibly some really harsh winter conditions before you even make it there.

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You can always set up 'safe houses' on the way. Homes where people can hook up, strategize, leave messages etc. Then, head out, if it is possible.

Preppersaurus

I think most folks thinking they will have a back pack and a wheelbarrow , ox cart or even a truck and trailer , are not arriving up into a new territory prepared to maintain themselves and they are not invested in the communities in place there. As Preppersaurus mentioned who exactly wants to truly be the destination safe house of a group with extra family and friends they 'acquire' along route ? Who feels secure if 50 sick, hungry and desperate and displaced people show up looking for a little help and hospitality? Now if you want to invest $1,000 into fruit and nut trees and planting them , plus a few thousand in other improvements and maintain a 4 month cache of food at someones place in good faith you will have a protocol to come gather your supplies and have a point of temporary refuge , that is showing good faith and respect for the hospitality you hope to receive. The thing is, it does not work both ways, Farmer and community are not planning on bugging into the fraser valley but those down here are discussing bugging into outlying communities and hunting territories, pretty much empty handed if all they are thinking is packing their bug out pack weight they can carry a hundred miles. These conditions you would actually seek to bug out would be pretty far reaching and on another thread on this forum it mentions under the NAFTA that 30 million Americans could be absorbed by Canada as well. If you truly think under duress and chaotic dangerous and desperate conditions that others are going to welcome and help 'refugees' at the expense of their own family and communities security , think again . It isn't like there will be a land of plenty out there particularily for those who are not skilled and practicing living such a lifestyle already, hunting sustainably , planting crops , have a two year supply of cured wood for fuel etc. Few of us on here ( certainly not I ) are truly set up nor disciplined enough to make it and otherwise are just a burden on the land and jeopardize those who are established. If you think road choke points during times of desperation and duress are dangerous, try trespassing . Farmers point should be very much take to heart I think.

I've been reading this post, and what a great idea. There are so many valid scenarios, too good to dismiss. I'd also like to add some points to consider.

Nobody addresses the situation that if you are at work or somewhere else other than home and SHTF. Your thoughts will be to get back home to search for loved ones. They may be at school, shopping or out socializing.
This will create a "Get Back Home""situation, do you stay and try to locate them. What if you can't and you are separated from your family. At what point do you make the decision to leave to your BOL.

My situation in any disaster scenario is try to make it back home, locate family,
Assess the disaster (will it be longer than 72 hours?, 7 days? or worse break down of local goverments/social breakdown) - are roads, bridges, tunnels available for use.

This will either provide me with alternatives to "bug in" or "bug out".

I guess we can all prepare for the inevitable, it can be good to organize an exercise. Mock disaster where you are not home, when you least expect it, then try to do the things you want to do.

There are those who talk about preparing, there are those who are doing it. It starts with finding people you can trust. (that doesn't mean chatting on a forum, and assuming everyone is now best of buddies). You have to meet them, filter out the scammers, slackers etc. Find the ones who are truly preparing then cache your stuff there. When an emergency in that area occurs, you head to the place you stored your stuff, then hook up. Its a safe bet, that those who will let you cache at their home, will most likely already have prepared for disaster, themselves. (thats who I would be looking for) I sure wouldn't want to store my stuff at a home who isn't prepared. But I would if they are VERY prepared. People are already caching supplies elsewhere. If you don't have it cached when the emergency happens, you will be hoofing out with only the stuff you can carry. And no hope of resupply unless you take it, or find someone who is generous. Which will be short on supply.

We have meetups for this very purpose. Let's call it a bonding. Find the people you can trust and plan together.

Preppersaurus

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There are those who talk about preparing, there are those who are doing it. It starts with finding people you can trust. (that doesn't mean chatting on a forum, and assuming everyone is now best of buddies). You have to meet them, filter out the scammers, slackers etc. Find the ones who are truly preparing then cache your stuff there. When an emergency in that area occurs, you head to the place you stored your stuff, then hook up. Its a safe bet, that those who will let you cache at their home, will most likely already have prepared for disaster, themselves. (thats who I would be looking for) I sure wouldn't want to store my stuff at a home who isn't prepared. But I would if they are VERY prepared. People are already caching supplies elsewhere. If you don't have it cached when the emergency happens, you will be hoofing out with only the stuff you can carry. And no hope of resupply unless you take it, or find someone who is generous. Which will be short on supply.

We have meetups for this very purpose. Let's call it a bonding. Find the people you can trust and plan together.

Preppersaurus

Thanks, I will be looking forward to some future meetups.

Screedcrete - I do believe it is important to "Bug out" in groups or link up at a later time. One poster have said, it would be worth while to have safe caches spread along dedicated routes of egress. There is so many good ideas that you have posted.

I have been giving this post a little thought, and it is true that the way people in the interior prep vs lower mainland are very different styles of prepping. I think the people in the interior need to come to the realization that regardless of how well people down here will be recieved, it simply does not matter. Everyone, even NON-PREPPERS, look at the interior as being some sort of "refuge" from the rest of the world. It does not matter if this is truth or not, this is the way it is generally viewed as by the people down here. So no matter how you feel about it, if something disastorous enough occurs that people need to bug out, you WILL have a sudden huge wave of "refugees". I quote that term because not everyone will be the helpless in need of help typical refugee that we think of when the term is used. Therefore, you might want to consider changing the way you prep.

The way I see it, there will be two waves of people headed your way. The magnitude of the disaster will determine the size of the waves and perhaps more importantly, the space between the waves. The first wave will be people like me, and screedcrete, and other people who have the common sense to get the heck out when it is time. We are the people who ARN'T there to mooch, or take a "piece of the pie", or take advantage. We are not oppurtunist,the talkers, or tag alongs. We are the people who have put considerable time and effort into learning valuable skills that will help us and others to survive. We are the ones who have planned, and those plans usually involve family members or safe places to go that arn't on your already owned land. And we are the ones who usually have already figured out a way to feed ourselves without dipping into your preps.

The second wave of people will be the desprate. The hungry. The ones who waited around to see if the government would deliver food to their doors. The ones who believed mainstream media. The ones that didn't plan.

People of the North, you have two choices on how to prepare for these waves.

1. You can use the time you have NOW to make connections with the prepper groups down here. You can filter out the oppurtunists, the ego maniacs, the rambos, the tag alongs. You can connect with the people who have something to bring to the table. You can help them set up caches up there so that they have their own food when they arrive. You can welcome them with open arms because you have already gotten to know them and have a certain degree of trust. You can incoprate yourself into there plans to bug out and offer suggestions. Perhaps you know of trails in the area that wont be as used that would help them get to you easier. You can discuss your own plans of defense(from the 2nd wave) and jobs that they would have once arriving in your community, so everyone knows what their jobs are before they even arrive. Ie. doctory, carpenter, hunter, farmers, etc. You can completely include the first wave into your plans and include yourself into theres so that the ENTIRE group can co exsist and survive the second, larger and more dangerous wave.

Or

2. You can start buying ammo.

Thats it. Those are your two options. My point being that these waves of people will come no matter what you feel. And you know what, there are a LOT of armed people in the lower mainland too. And a lot more people. So the choice is yours. Welcome the first wave with open arms and have a chance to protect your food from the second.Or welcome nobody, and prepare for a bloodbath. I know this might sound harsh, but I believe it's true.Personally, I feel you can never have too many friends. And friends should be always welcomed. It is just a matter of who you pick and choose those friends to be.