After a week of starving, I bet some will consider raiding (that is the nice way to put it) their neighbours, as God's Will.

After a week of starving, I bet some will consider raiding (that is the nice way to put it) their neighbours, as God's Will.

I totally agree...many religious folks have twisted the Bible to suit their needs throughout the history of man. And I am of no specific faith nor was I raised such. Those who fervently believe also believe that God will provide and many go blindly to their deaths, so strong are their beliefs. And am not understanding in that manner either or I would not be posting here at all.

Yet I've learned enough to understand that only 2 prophecies remain in the Bible before Armageddon is to occur. They both seemed unlikely not so long ago and here we are now, at a time that they now seem possible. They are:

1/ The fall of Religion
2/ The cry for peace and security

How could religion fall? Seems a more likely prospect now doesn't it. Yet it didn't just a few years back did it? If that comes to pass, I'll be taking prepping to a whole new level....and yet killing should then be even less an option...just in case...dunno! Ya gotta admit that is one heck of a prediction!

But I am hoping that enough people try to maintain some moral sense of values that we don't become barbarians overnight just because we can! I believe that every misdeed can also lead to greater misdeeds and soon rape and murder are accepted actions as many have when conflicts occur.

I often wonder what will happen to unpopular minorities when things go bad. There's a sect of preppers who seem to love nothing better than quote Bible verses and talk like God's about to punish us for allowing gay marriage or having a black democrat in the whitehouse.

I'm not sure we'll know how far we've really come as a people until there isn't an armed law enforcer keeping us in line.

it's too easy to talk about the verses of the Bible
so many children and adults have been abused by the Church
for too long
they do not do what they preach
then how can we believe and follow
we are supposed to believe something that was written 5000 years ago
war, corruption, mafia, are the real thing
believe in yourself is better
peace

I know this is going fringe ish... but just to be clear most of us do not believe that bad things that's going on in the world is a punishment. It is simple everyone allowed to make their own decisions each decision leads to a consequence most choose wrong. If I over eat I'll get fat. If I eat health I stay skinny. G-d doesn't make me fat as a punishment for gluttony ..... just a result of my choice. And if someone is threatening me or my wife, I will not hesitate to pull the trigger.

Well put! We make our own choices. We have to more pay attention to how things really work. I don't truly know if God exists but I will try to obey rules that I know should exist in a society. I have no wish to kill my fellow man but likely would if I could justify my actions to myself and God, should I be asked later 😕 I also think to prepare for some future event that seems more probable each day is also a good idea to prevent having to make bad decisions later...

I hope there is enough like minded fellow humans nearby that we can work together to maintain a social order amidst chaos. What kind of future would we pass on to our grandchildren otherwise? I can't control what occurs many miles away, but I can effect that which surrounds me daily and so I will try.

I often wonder what will happen to unpopular minorities when things go bad. There's a sect of preppers who seem to love nothing better than quote Bible verses and talk like God's about to punish us for allowing gay marriage or having a black democrat in the whitehouse.

I'm not sure we'll know how far we've really come as a people until there isn't an armed law enforcer keeping us in line.

I see that on other sites as well....it's almost scary. Makes me glad to be Canadian as it doesn't seem as prevalent here! lol

Personally, I think small groups of friends (ie hunting, or drinking buddies, or neighbors) will get together. They will feel safe in their numbers. As things get worse, they will tend to use that force to take what they want from those who can't defend themselves, until stopped by a larger, better equipped, or better trained force. You may run, and you may hide, but if you do that, most likely you won't have anything they want, like food. They won't be wasting the time and effort, if there is no reward at the end.

I visited a sect in 1982, 30 years ago
in the forest of B.C.
I would not say their names, but
in this time they already bought weapons in case
nearest neighbor village side, would steal their food, that they grow in their garden
I just hope they have not lived in fear since That Day
because never happened until today

Would be interesting to see if they thrived, or gave up. I imagine, if you establish your 'community' well BEFORE an emergency, it should give you time to get everything in place for sustainable living, and a heads-up as to what you need to stock up on.

Would be interesting to see if they thrived, or gave up. I imagine, if you establish your 'community' well BEFORE an emergency, it should give you time to get everything in place for sustainable living, and a heads-up as to what you need to stock up on.

And there lies the problem. Very few will likely have established a community as Prepper's prep because they are of an untrusting nature towards society and it's vises. That untrusting nature is somewhat double edged though, as it is hard to overcome when considering banding with others. Finding that common ground with enough others in your vicinity is such an endeavor in itself, that I doubt few will have achieved much more than talk when SHTF.

I doubt that many will consider such options until forced to by present circumstances. It will be often "just luck" that prevails in many groups forming with supplies and skillsets to make things work. Chances are that much more cooperation will occur in areas of lower population due to pressures they would then put on their local environment. And country folk stock more because it is farther to the stores and they have more guns because they are more inclined to hunt due to their choice of locations.

they are still there
many house now

Knuckle,

You are SO right about trust, and talk. Groups have been reaching out on this forum for over a year, (since I have been coming here), trying to get people together, to meet, to build a bond. Screedcrete, and Aaronbouge and a few others have set up meetings, and outings, some of which were far away from THEIR homes, to entice people who don't want to travel far, to share a coffee. Few accept. The threads are full of colorful 'rantings' of the virtues of group support, yet many have excuse after excuse on why they can't even hook up for a coffee.

When the SHTF, people will say ANYTHING just to get some food for their kids. By then, it will be too late. If your own reserves start to dwindle, who are you going to give food to? The guy, who you have known before the emergency, and bonded with? or the guy who shows up with 4 kids, 3 dogs, and a rabbit expecting to be fed, clothed, and housed indefinitely because you chatted with them ONCE, on a forum?

Once the core group starts to form, and trust has been established, everyone starts to become selective, as to who they want to join them, from then on. Skill sets will be the key to becoming part of a group. If a person has nothing to contribute, they will only be considered a drain on resources, and sent on their merry way.

I've stated this before, and was chastised for it, but it needs to be said. When the SHTF, people had better have their friends, stores and game plan in order, because trust will go out the window. Lies will be the only thing coming out of people's mouths to get your food. If that doesn't work, force may be their only alternative.

As for that guy who didn't want to share a coffee, because the sun was shining, and he wanted to go walk in the park? Or, the meet was too far to drive? Remember, no one will be offering a hand out, to a stranger, especially the ones who slapped the hand you offered to them during the good times.

Ahhh..getting people together for a coffee meet!
I have to agree that it is tough.
I tried several times to get the Quebec preppers together in Montreal, but at least it finally happened.
Since then, we have exchanged many emails and PM's with each other, and although we won't likely be forming a community any time soon, the groundwork is there and we have all learned a lot about each other in regards to our positions regarding prepping. Most of us stuck together and continue to communicate somewhat regularly, while others simply didn't fit. These meets, and the subsequent discussions are the number one most important part of creating a group, be it losely connected within your region, or setting up a prepper community.

As you can see by just reading in these forums or watching on TV, confusion is inevitable when any crisis occurs. The advantage the military has is that they already have a hierarchical structure in place and others do what their superiors tell them to...or else!

Since we live in a so called democracy, folks usually tend to point out every possibility attached to any decision until nothing gets accomplished. We have all witnessed this throughout must of our lives. Unless I'm in charge, I'd find it hard to obey an instant decision given by someone I knew little about and expect he feels the same way. It takes years to know someone well enough to know they were "just joking" when they made that racist comment, etc. I believe that "nothing escapes the lips that never first had to become a thought in one's mind"...in other words, you had to first think the thought before you could speak it aloud! Now if you knew this person for many years, you'd tend to be more likely to ignore the comment, but otherwise, we are measured by that which we say! With this in mind, how can we progress into the BORG "of one mind" mentality without devising a hierarchical structure to which all would be against(including me)?

As much as folks dislike the views of the religious sects, at least they have basic rules set forth to build upon. Yet their strict guidelines don't suit us as we can see they don't take in all the variables....they have trust amongst each other because they see them in church each week to build upon. So the obvious (like already mentioned somewhat above)previously, meeting and dedicated attendance would be required to overcome these obstacles.

The problem with "church goers" Knuckles is the same as "sheeple" for the most part. They will not prepare for things to come. It's is down right amazing to me that they say "oh yeah I know this that and the other thing is going to happen"....so I ask "what have you done to prepare". I swear the two answers I get 99% of the time is "I don't want to live through it" or "God will provide" . This totally appalling. People like me who believe in G-d and knows what is coming and preps..... we are rare. I have basically given up trying to educate people. Things are going to happen quickly... relatively speaking. I prep for me and my wife ..... good luck to the rest.

The "I don't want to live through it" answer isn't just for the religious. People who haven't really thought about it seem to have this lovely vision of vaporizing in a flash of light. They can't conceive that something could happen, and they'll still be here to deal with it.

Being a gun owner, if I want to end my life in those circumstances I at least have the option. Most people don't even have that. Even if they did, they'd probably find that they still want to live, no matter how crappy life seems at the time. That's when they become dangerous.