Rifle Selection and Ammo Availability

Grumpy
Oh if you are looking for 10 round feeder clips for the SKS they have lots. $1.50 each

1.50 WOOOOHOOOOO at last count I had just over 1500 of em. Too bad I use mags now.

Heya BallisticPrepper,

Got your Beowulf mags for that fine weapon?

Not Yet, Are they any good???

Preppersaurus, not yet... Still waiting for it. Is it wrong to love a gun? I took my children to the farm with my rugger semi-auto 22 lr... They cannot stop talking about it and want to go everyday. They want to step up the game, but after seeing that idiot in the states that put a fully automatic Uzi in the hands of a 9 year old girl. My wife is a little apprehensive.

Off topic...
I stopped by by an underground surplus today. I was looking at some of the net camo, looks brand new. 22x44... $200 to expensive? They had flack jackets with ceramic plates. I bet that they are expired and that dumb kids may shoot each other with them like we all saw last year.

Regardless,

Not Yet, Are they any good???

Yeah. They are for 50 cal Beowolf. Fits into the AR Lower. They can be used in a .223 and I believe they hold 14 rounds of .223. Since the law dictates that the mag used 'as it was manufactured' can only hold 5 rounds, it is legal to use in the .223.

Preppersaurus, not yet... Still waiting for it. Is it wrong to love a gun? I took my children to the farm with my rugger semi-auto 22 lr... They cannot stop talking about it and want to go everyday. They want to step up the game, but after seeing that idiot in the states that put a fully automatic Uzi in the hands of a 9 year old girl. My wife is a little apprehensive.

Off topic...
I stopped by by an underground surplus today. I was looking at some of the net camo, looks brand new. 22x44... $200 to expensive? They had flack jackets with ceramic plates. I bet that they are expired and that dumb kids may shoot each other with them like we all saw last year.

Regardless,

Nothing wrong in loving guns. Gun lovers are less likely to do something stupid to have them all taken away, My wife accuses me of liking mine more than her, from time to time. LOL. She has her own to play with. IMHO.

Ruger semi-auto .22? Would that be the 10/22? I have one of the Takedown versions, very accurate. Considering all the anti-gun news out there, it blows my mind at the number of people taking their PAL, RPAL and even CORE courses. 5 of my neighbors have all taken theirs this year. Finally I have people I can go to the range with, while my wife is at work. I hate going on the weekends, since it is too busy. One of my neighbors just went hunting for the first time. Man was he excited.

As for the 9 year old girl. Do a YouTube search "9 year old uzi fake" . There seems to be a building doubt that it happened. I'm not saying it did, or didn't, but there are some valid points being made regarding that footage.

Had a close call today... Don't want to talk about it in detail, but we did an entry today in a home that had 15 Rottweilers. I almost ended two of them. I was a little upset as we hit the door at 06:00... It was still dark, and the light rail on my 870 was acting up. It wasnt lighting when I wanted it to. Regardless, the the majority or the dogs were scared s***less. I never had to shoot a dog before, but would not hesitate unless totally necessary. Good thing I had good boots, as they did not sink their teeth into me.

I guess I went off on a tangent... My wife is out of the country with family matters and I guess I needed to blow off steam... Did I mention I love guns! Lmao

I have owned Rottweilers since 1980 and they are not the vicious beasts many perceive them to be. I too would be suspect why a fellow may have 15. There may be ill intent(unless he is a major breeder) and such folks could be capable of messing any animal up, but their real nature is that of a cattle dog, not a guard dog. What I really dislike is that many folks who are into crime related work choose this breed and then prevoke them into aggressive behavior. These folks are part of why Rottweiler's have a bad name.

They are usually the biggest sucks out there and usually are not even alpha in nature. This means they tend to get along well with most other dogs too. They were accepted as seeing-eye dogs in 1980 by the CNIB due to their calm nature. Most blind people state they don't use the breed though as folks would clear out wherever they traveled due to their appearance.

My wife and I bred Rottweilers for just a couple litters of 11 each time and therefore we had a surplus of puppies until they sold too. Twice I have had neighbours buy their own Rotty's after they met ours as they learned to trust the breed. What I like is that I don't have to fear them biting anyone when I'm not looking. It is not in their nature to be aggressive to the point I no longer even consider it an issue. I have seen various dogs even nip a variety of rotty's I've had over the years and they cannot even provoke a fight out of them doing such as this.

Now I have been selective when I buy them. I always wish to meet the pup's parents first as I am a true believer that good nature breeds good nature in their pups. Rotty's tend to have hip displacia alot, so I only choose those with a square rump and avoid those with the rounded rump. I think Rotty's are on TV alot because they intelligent enough to play a part while really friendly so as no one gets hurt. But it's these TV roles they portray that in turn gives them a dangerous name and this adds to how they got their bad rep. I find most terrier breeds to be far more aggressive and German Sheppards are the true guard dogs. ... Rotty's would usually show you what to steal just for a pat on the head. 😎

I know this is off-topic from rifle/ammo selection, but I'll come back to that soon. 😀

Speaking of Rottweilers, I have a set of scars on my chest from when I was 11 years old. I went to my neighbour's house to play computer games, and as soon as he opened his front door, his rottweiler pushed past him and lunged at me. I didn't have much time to react, except to take two steps back, which saved me from getting chomped right in the neck. The rotty sunk its teeth into my chest and gave me several vicious shakes before my friend's dad came over. I didn't provoke it, and that was only the second time I had ever been to that house. The first time, the rotty was out in the backyard and we never saw each other at all.

All in all, I got a small chunk taken out just above my left nipple, 16 stitches, a few puncture marks on my chest, 2 on my right forearm, and 2 on my right hand. I'm still wary around rottys, decades later, but I love the ones that I've been formally introduced to. A bit on a tangent, but a few years later, as a teen, I got slashed with a knife and I've now got a wicked T-shaped scar that combines dog teeth and a balisong wound.

Back on topic.

Is it true that a 10-rnd Lee-Enfield mag fits in a M14 (M305)? That sounds... maybe legal? And there's that .50 Beowulf mag that fits in a AR15? Lar-15 mags, too? Are there any other legal mags out there that could potentially hold more than 5 rounds for rifles? It's not illegal to ask, and the RCMP have still deemed it legal to possess and use.

I am sorry to hear a story such as that. I have heard mention of "such and such" having a mean rotty to go and find they are aggressive actoring dogs and found friendly upon careful approach. I know there are those out there that have attacked but I've yet to meet one myself. I'd take a look at the owners when I did meet a bad one though as they likely picked up their untrusting nature from them. If a dog of mine showed signs of untrustworthy temper, I'd likely put it down as you never would know when something would occur otherwise.

On the note with mag swaps, would that mag swap capability not then get it marked for banning too as what happened to the Mossberg 751T lately? They banned the 15 and 25 round mags that were sold with it in Canada because those mags could fit some 25 cal pistol which is only sold stateside anyways. How dumb is that?
I'm guessing that unless you had the proper rifle to support those mags, your possession of the M-14 only would show intent in a court of law. Therefore the mags would still have to be pinned at 5 too.

I did a bit of research on Canadian firearms laws regarding magazines, and found interesting things, at least if you have a AR platform or a M14 (Norinco M305).

The .50 Beowulf mags are pinned to 5 rounds of... .50 Beowulf... but doesn't say anything about legal limits to whatever you can wrestle into it. As these mags are intended for the AR-15 platform, they will work with any other platform that uses AR mags. People are able to load between 13-18 rounds of .223/5.56 into them, depending on the mag.

The company that supplies .50 Beowulf mags does NOT condone it, and it is clearly marked as for .50 Beowulf right on the front of the mag, too. However, if the mags work in your AR-15... well... that's the way it is.

http://tv-presspass.com/the-importance-of-50-beowulf-magazines/

Another example of this is the LAR-15 mag, intended for the LAR-15 pistol (5.56/.223), which is classified as a pistol, and therefore has a 10-round capacity. Since it works off the same AR platform, it is completely legal to load up 10 rounds of .223 in it, and if it works in your AR-15... well... that's the way it is.

Check this out, on the RCMP website.

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

There are also LAR-15 connector floor plates available, that allow people to connect two LAR-15 mags together by the floor plate, and are still considered to be legal.

As for the Norinco M305 (M14 replica, .308), I can't find the link at the moment, but I read somewhere that certain Lee-Enfield mags are a perfect, reliable fit for it. Since the LE is a bolt-action rifle, it is perfectly legal to obtain 10-round mags for it, and if it works in your M305... well... that's the way it is.

Anyway, I'm not condoning any of this, I just did the research and I'm just putting it out there. Regardless, it is 100% legal according to the letter of the law today.

I would likely want to have that Lee Enfield in the gun cabinet if I were to have the mags in the house. The way Canada usually plays with law is they have to show intent. Now this intent is hard to prove in a court of law and therefore you can likely get the charges dropped if you were to follow through after having such items confiscated. But the thing is the officer only needs the possibility of intent to confiscate said items. You on the other hand would have to prove intent on the officers behalf when trying to prove counter charges for harassment as he performs such duties using his interpretation of discretion at that time.

If there is nothing to contest, there is nothing to have to fight to get back later. Canadian law leaves so much up to the discrepancy of the officer that I would be cautious playing so close to the fence on such issues. Once their foot is in your door, it's hard to close it, sorry to say!

Here is a classic case of the RCMP not knowing their own laws, I have the same rifle and magazines...I now keep a copy of the law with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9yGCdr7o8

Here is a classic case of the RCMP not knowing their own laws, I have the same rifle and magazines...I now keep a copy of the law with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9yGCdr7o8

That is a very good video to show the argument in action. The man knew his rights yet the officer states that he is in the wrong. This allows the officer to confiscate the weapon and whatever else he deems worthy. In court, the officer will state that the owner showed intent due to having a mag cased with this specific firearm which fit the weapon and accepted more than the specified 5 round capacity. This is an easy conviction really as the two were even in the same guncase. Chances are this fellow lost that gun and also faced fines.

Now if he had those same mags and also possessed the weapon which they are truly legal for, it would then allow a judge to give the owner the benefit of the doubt and drop said charges and thus return the weapon to it's owner. My previous point was the officer still has the right to confiscate the weapon and leave the decision up to a judge, even if there is a possible alibi as officer's discretion still rules the day. This said, you can have a copy of any law you want with you, our laws allow the officer to use his discretion which means you can't override his decision and his actions all are well within the boundaries of Canadian law. Sucks eh? Remember the word "intent" as it is capable of putting yur butt where you don't wanna sit!

If you checked the RCMP bulletins, it clearly states the a 10 round LAR15 pistol magazine is legal in a rifle that accepts AR15 magazines. The cop was 100% wrong, and the guy with the XCR-L did nothing wrong, there is nothing court could do to him.

If you read the comments, he got the rifle back ASAP and even got an apology from from the RCMP.

"oldford71
2 months ago

so you got an apology and your XCR back??
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Max imcan
2 months ago

Yes, an apology from the RCMP officer. THE CO laughed the next weekend when I saw him.

So I did just find this story here and it conforms what you state too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ25n7Czc4Q

From what I have seen of court systems in action, intent is the factor that makes or breaks the case. Even though the mag is totally legal, the individual shows intent by choosing to shoot it in another weapon other than that which it's specs suit. Seems that it does pass and kudos to folks who can keep their weapons when some officer wants to seize it.

I did like how he suggests how to kindly approach the officer to check and just store the weapon in his truck in the meantime...that approach might soften the officers demeanor somewhat. Yet an annoyed officer could state that the web is down (or some other lame excuse) and thus maintain his right to seize your weapon and put you out to reacquire it at a later time.... this is why you must be nice at all times no matter how much he pisses you off.

I dislike the fact that Canadian law gives this power which can be so easily abused but maybe it has saved lives from time to time to counter balance such things too. Even though I once wore a badge too, I have likely had this "officers discretion" work against me more than it ever did for me as a P/O. I rode a 47 Knuckle with no signal lights (as they junk up the look of a chopper). Mandatory signals came into effect in 1961 for motorcycles and thus my 1947 doesn't require them. I have been given alot of tickets over 21 years on that bike and often had to take time off work just to fight some ticket I didn't deserve. 👿 This is why I know how things work and how come I find it not worth the effort most times today. 😥

But again kudos to those who try to defend our rights over stupid issues. It's not like Canada has alot of crimes that are easily overcome by such rules. Most who commit crimes with weapons don't usually go for legal weapons anyways.

I like the suggestion to print the ruling and I'd keep it in the guncase along too as you know you'll need it sooner or later.