Cabelas in Vancouver?? There's tons of other gun shops with powder.

Been trying to source out IMR powder for a while now...no luck. 🙁

Try Hub sports in abbotsford...they had a bunch of powder not long ago.

I scooped all of Hub's Tite Group when I saw it. First time I have seen it on the shelves in over a year. Hub does have powder, but at 45 a pound, it is some of the more expensive. The Tite group was a lot cheaper, so I grabbed it all. Was in Wholesale Sports Outfitters in Langley a week or so ago and they had ZERO powder. I have someone in Edmonton who grabs the stuff we need, when he sees it, then we divide it up among the group. Rusty Wood in Mission carries a good supply but the prime stuff goes quickly when he can get it. Same with Reliable Gun in Vanc. Blackknight88 what are you looking for in IMR?

IMR 4064 and 4831...

Would also like some for 338 but don't exactly know which type would be best? Was just going to google IMR 338 reload powder and see what comes up but would rather go with something tried and true that is recommended...

Blackknight88,

http://www.budgetshootersupply.ca/catalog/Rifle__Pistol_Reloading_Components_2.cfm

Thank you. I'll give them a shout...

Back to the original thread topic.

Where subsonic comes into its own is pest control with noise sensitive, tree hugging, anti "schedule 'c' pest" killing neighbours.

When they're over 50 yards away, Chances are they won't hear you taking care of the squirrels in your backyard from inside their house:)

Jonesy

Ps I may come to pleading to learn about .308 reloading, black knight.... I'll save some brass.

I didn't think it would be powerful enough at 710 ft pr sec...whats the ft lb at 25-50 ft? Cant be much.
Do they make subsonic rounds for larger cal too?

Save all that brass Jonesy.

I didn't think it would be powerful enough at 710 ft pr sec...whats the ft lb at 25-50 ft? Cant be much.

This guy tested a 710 fps ammo at 40 ft lb at 50 yards:
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011/12/new-quiet-22-rimfire-ammo-from-cci-just-68-db-of-noise/
For some comparisons, here are charts with the faster .22LR ammo (not quite halfway down the page):
http://www.ballisticsapp.com/22-ballistics.htm
...And a comprehensive chart of air gun ballistics:
http://www.hn-sport.de/en/products/air-gun-pellets/energy-values-ballistic-coefficient.html

Why do I keep mentioning air guns in conjunction with subsonics? Because they're undisputed pest and small game gatherers, but quiet. And regularly not as controlled. One of the benefits of a subsonic that is similar in noise, is that a firearm that should be low or last on the recall lists can easily become a garden protector or woods crawler, while also firing a mini mag in some cases for larger rabbit, raccoon, fox, etc., without having to spend the money or weight on a decent-good-excelllent air gun. They also offer an air gun "like" option for people who are physically incapable of cocking a 30+ pound break barrel.

Do they make subsonic rounds for larger cal too?

Subsonic may be confusing you. In the subsonic sound world, you have the crack of changing speed.
Some subsonic .22s are quieter than others, because along with the speed issue, you've got a firecracker going off in a barrel. More powder, more boom.

Most handgun ammo is subsonic.**
**This should read "most handgun ammo is already available in subsonic"
Some common rifle calibers have a subsonic option (.308, .223). The entire Whisper wildcats family were designed for subsonic.
That is, the bullet travels outward at less than the speed of sound, so you don't get that crack. But you DO get a boom from powder.
(That's super thumbnailed; you can skip a 'graph or three if you don't want a nutshell.)

Most pistol cartridges are just naturally slower (than rifles - another point of clarification added as an edit).
Sometimes you slow them down more on purpose for one reason or another (steel plate CAS plinking, youth shooters' wrists, save powder, some self defense/performance issues). Sometimes it's just that you don't have room, or would rupture cases and-or tear the gun apart if you tried to use a fast-burning .223 powder in a .32 ACP.

For some rifle cartridges, same as above goes.

The Whisper family cartridges that are available (or have good reloading info avail for making your own in hunting calibers) were originally conceptualized as hunting and M&P wildcats. Because they're a little slower, with fewer gases, they can be more easily suppressed. But for those people, especially, you want to go ahead and fiddle so they don't need rainbow trajectory at 75 yards.
Existing common calibers at the time kind of jumped on the bandwagon to develop similar rounds. There IS a difference in how far you can hear a 155gr .308 Win moving at 2,900 fps, and my 1,066 fps .308 Win. But...practically, that extra crack just doesn't matter as much.
You don't get a sonic crack, but there's the boom factor.

A .22 subsonic kind of takes that idea and goes "what if we didn't need a suppressor at all?" which was very nice of somebody.
I can fire a subsonic once or twice in woods right behind my house, and somebody will assume I am smacking something with a hammer, the REALLY quiet no-powder or low-powder subsonics won't carry inside at all if our windows and doors are shut, fired off my deck.
Try that with a 9mm, any .45, or the 1066 fps Lapua .308 Win, and somebody will come running from my house, neighbors will notice and poke or question later (maybe if it's just one), one dog will come running with delirious joy, one dog will slink for the crate whispering about thunder and Katrina and the End of Days, and HAM Cat 1 will need peeled off the ceiling, possibly after patching up somebody's thigh.