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(@anonymous)
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I applaud your questioning this information. Also not being one to take all the news I see or read at immediate face value, I immediately began researching this subject online and having spend a considerable amount of time in doing so, was able to find numerous sites from a variety of sources, all presenting the very SAME information. Not only lending credence to this but also giving the entire litany of "facts", i.e., given SPECIFIC amounts of food, weapons, antibiotics, etc., ordered. (And yes, FEMA DID issue purchase orders). Therefore, I felt comfortable in presenting this message on this forum as being well worthy of our thought and attention. It should be duly noted that in the interest of time and space, I felt it necessary to condense the information I had found when posting this, thus leaving it up to the reader to follow-up and delve into this subject more indepth. In fact, hoping that he or she would have the tenacity to do so, as I did. (It's not difficult folks, go online and Google key words on this). I prefer not to fall into the "shoot the messenger" mentality and then simply turn away. Also not one to take the "ostrich head in the sand" approach, I'm always compelled to dig and research in pursuit of elusive truth.
It IS definitely wise to question postings on the YouTube forum, but also bearing in mind that not all of the postings are hoaxes or lies. There is a wealth of thought- provoking videos, from ACTUAL news sources relating to current domestic and world events and politics. But shouldn't we be EQUALLY as quick to question the TV-tube?? I still strongly assert that it is vital to be a "critical thinker" and ALWAYS dig for cherished TRUTH. Question and then make an effort to pierce thru the constant onslaught of deception, contradiction, assumption, hype and hypocracy that the mainstream media feeds the "sheeple".
Ben Franklin said it best in his quote:

" This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. - A nation of WELL-INFORMED men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins."



   
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(@denob)
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Sooooooooooooooooo.....
again, what are these sources?



   
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(@anonymous)
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🙄 In all due respect, this brings to mind the old cliché: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." But to find the sources you keep asking of, you can use a very versatile tool on the internet. It's called "Google". You use it by typing in key words or phrases pertaining to the subject matter you are interested in, in this case...i.e., .FEMA preparations...etc., Or, "Sheldon R. Songstad issues national alert"...etc. Then a page will appear on your screen listing a number of what they call "links". You simply read the list presented, choose one of them and "click" on it to bring up the information you are needing. It's really quite simple.
For me to begin listing ALL the sources and web addresses I researched is lengthy and time consuming, which is why I keep suggesting self-research. 💡 Happy searching, and God bless....



   
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(@helicopilot)
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There are certain risks associated with believing all that is posted on the Internet...



   
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(@coinzero)
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Hold on, don't shoot the messenger,
I do believe FEMA has the ability to become something misused or just completely evil. In history, we watched the German's round up and dispose of millions of jews in camps a lot like these one's. Ok so I know that is totally off the wall and way out there but just hear me out, but lets look at what the Americans did as well in that same time period. They locked up their own jap citizens for the sake of war time security without due cause or trail or evidence of any kind. If war breaks out could these be used for the same reason, it really wasn't all that long ago in the grand scheme of things.
I believe we are no different from what we were like in those days, the same fears of an inside attack will / could cause governments to do weird stuff, even in our modern world. The facts in our current time are even more worry some to me as it shows how little we have learned from our past and how we might be doomed in repeated some kind or version of it.

So look at what we have now in the United States.
1.) The Patriot Act which allows unlimited spying on the American people by the government. (signed in my bush, re-newed by obama)
2.) The National Defence Authorization Act with Sections 1021 and 1022 for the military arrests and indefinite detention of American nationals without any due process of the law. (This is a direct attack on the constitution and yet no one is freaking out!)
3.) HR 347 Trespass Law for the implementation of Sections 1021 and 1022 of the National Defence Authorization Act upon any citizen who dares to speak out (maybe this is why people don't wanna speak out it)
4.) Executive Order National Defence Resources Preparedness Act, which allows the government to confiscate every resource (gas, oil, food, trucks, ect.) of the United States, and the ability to take control or shut down country wide communications (television, internet, phone service ect.)

It can`t be just me that thinks fema and its camps, combined with these executive orders; could be a potentially dangerous pairing, now or far into the future. Once we give up freedoms, the more of them they will feel they need to take.


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(@denob)
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🙄 In all due respect, this brings to mind the old cliché: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." But to find the sources you keep asking of, you can use a very versatile tool on the internet. It's called "Google". You use it by typing in key words or phrases pertaining to the subject matter you are interested in, in this case...i.e., .FEMA preparations...etc., Or, "Sheldon R. Songstad issues national alert"...etc. Then a page will appear on your screen listing a number of what they call "links". You simply read the list presented, choose one of them and "click" on it to bring up the information you are needing. It's really quite simple.
For me to begin listing ALL the sources and web addresses I researched is lengthy and time consuming, which is why I keep suggesting self-research. 💡 Happy searching, and God bless....

And with all due respect right back,
a google search of "FEMA preparations" returned over 5 000 000 hits...somewhere in there are some sources you consider credible.
There must have been something memorable that made you consider them to be a reliable source.
This is not leading a horse to water, it;s untying the horse and saying "there's water somewhere in the world, go find it yourself"



   
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 Syn
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(@anonymous)
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AH you tried Google! Congratulations! I applaud your effort. It is indeed frustrating when one unties the horse you spoke about and it stands in one place and simply refuses to search for the water. My parenting skills with my teenagers taught me that while it is definitely wise to assist them in their homework, they learn nothing if I do it for them. One last time, I will say that I found this article and deemed it important to present on this forum to provoke thought and discussion, so I have achieved that. Whether one choses to believe that FEMA has a "hidden agenda" or not is, of course, entirely up to them. Truth or not, credible or not, check it out. And if we achieve nothing more than agreeing to disagree, so be it. In any case, our sole objective on THIS site should always be to learn and inform. God bless......



   
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(@girlcancan)
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Sorry,
I have to pipe up here. Then I'll be silent since I really have no interest in this topic...
To Bravepatriot: So when your teenagers teachers ask for reference's for the materials they used in their reports they just tell the teacher "go look for it yourself"?? Your kids must get a lot of F's...
This is the question everyone is asking you. Which references are you referring to.... It has nothing to do with laziness.



   
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(@coinzero)
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I like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Emergency_Management_Agency it has a lot of great info on FEMA, but there is no info on the camps. There is some info on the fema corps that I find interesting and all. in 1994 a film called America Under Siege could be considered the birth of the idea that the government combined with fema to be a truely dangerous pairing and conspiracy against the people. In the film, the idea of fema camps is stated. Its a hard film to watch and old footage and very spec and just out there. I do not consider the film creditable.

the army regs are not all that useful but here they r http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf

the only info I have found directly about fema camps that i do believe to be creditable is from http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_fema_camp and states the following and is very brief on the whole thing. senate bill HR 645 introduced in Congress authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to set up a network of FEMA camp facilities to be used to house U.S. citizens in the event of a national emergency.

I have not included Executive Orders because they are easy to find and the mainstream news has lots of info on the all. from bush and obama.

``My only point is, this all is not all that bad, as long as the leader of the future do not miss use it.``
Please guys, Keep this forum civil, this is not a place to fight one another.


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 Syn
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I thought this was somehow based on a legitimate conversation so now that it is devolving into who can steer it harder towards being a train wreck , I am removing my contribution



   
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(@helicopilot)
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This is all personal preferences. One can read tons on the Internet and become obsessed with the concept of government conspiracies. I'm personally dealing with a brother in-law that suffers from some mental health issues, is unemployed and spends his entire days "studying" online. He's so far down with NWO and other conspiracy theories that he is now convinced the government is tracking him down personally. He's getting damn close to the tinfoil hat!

The problem is that he can never quote reliable sources and the references he brings up are anonymous or from recognized weirdos. Having a discussion with him is painful and his mere presence is dreadful. Of course, us not visiting him is another proof to him that the world his ganging up on him because of his knowledge of "things."

My point here is that you can go nuts believing the government knows things we don't and try to get us in the most cynical of ways possible, or you get prepping for whatever may come your way.

Happy web surfing everyone!



   
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(@denob)
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AH you tried Google! Congratulations! I applaud your effort. It is indeed frustrating when one unties the horse you spoke about and it stands in one place and simply refuses to search for the water. My parenting skills with my teenagers taught me that while it is definitely wise to assist them in their homework, they learn nothing if I do it for them. One last time, I will say that I found this article and deemed it important to present on this forum to provoke thought and discussion, so I have achieved that. Whether one choses to believe that FEMA has a "hidden agenda" or not is, of course, entirely up to them. Truth or not, credible or not, check it out. And if we achieve nothing more than agreeing to disagree, so be it. In any case, our sole objective on THIS site should always be to learn and inform. God bless......

I'm really not interested in getting into a debate were you choose to be rude and sarcastic...that would be giving in to a troll.
As others have mentioned, you claim to have credible sources...name one, just one!
I am willing to look at anything with an open mind, but you give me no inclination that you even found anything.
If you can't give us something to look at that you consider credible, I just have to assume that you really didn't find anything at all and are just running your mouth.
You claim to have found an article, but consistently refuse to share it with anyone...sorry, but I'm really starting to doubt you.
And for the record, please keep your sarcastic attitude to yourself.



   
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(@coinzero)
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I remembered this from my past and just re-watched it. I think it may or may not be of interest to you BP777

it shows what the atf, fbi and US is capable of and how the Executive Orders like the ones I listed above can be miss used or confused to create very bad situations and unconstitutional things to happen. The event happened in 1993 over the course of 51 days, which is totally in recent memory for a lot of people and not all that old.

1.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4scgRAJxWc main doc
2.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABiCv_KP1BA details of lies that the aft, fbi and media made
3.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGT1F0jYhFw newer made doc

It's hard to not feel for all the people involved on both sides. warning that there are graphic video and pictures. Again this is way I believe we have not changed much over the years since the 1930's. The US is much different from Canada but I feel that it is important to know about things that have or could happen south of the Canadian border.


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(@denob)
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I'm not trying yo turn this into a pi$$ing match...
With everything going on right now, if the US is doing everything that BP777 claims, then it deserves some attention.
Especially with a clear deadline that is fast approaching.
Is the US planning something on October 1st?
Are they expecting something to happen?
Terrorist attacks, Lybia, etc...?
I for one would like to know what's up.
I think it's quite irresponsible to come in here and drop a bomb like that then say go figure it out yourself.



   
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