Bill C-51

My understanding....from what I've gleaned listening to the TV...is that you have to be "a person of interest" in an active investigation with the bill in it's current state.
Other than that...it's very confusing just what they want to have the right to do. They seem to be thumbing their collective Conservative noses at the voting public and saying, "If you've nothing to hide, why the hell are you worried about C-51?"

I have no problem with Big Brother Nosing though my online activities/E-mails as like most people I have nothing to hide, however I would prefer if they needed to get a court order before they were allowed to do so.

As I understand it this C-51 bill would allow them to nose through your internet activities at their own discretion without any judicial over sight or prior approval. This is a disturbing violation of privacy and as a result I hope the bill fails.

If they amend the bill to require a Court issued Warrent or Documented Court Approval before getting access to your online activities then I would give this my full support but until then its just a blatant violation of privacy and although its good intentioned until it is amended to include judicial over sight the bill needs to fail because the potential for it to be abused by governments and its agencies is just too high.

I have nothing to hide either, however who decides who is a person of interest.
The guys with more than 7 days food, certain ethnic groups, etc. etc.
I truly think they are concerned with civil unrest in the near future, they want the power to quash certain groups or potential uprisings.
Their false flags and lies arent working any more the general public is getting restless and they know it.

The one thing that has come to mind is that if we didn't have all of this technology the PTB wouldn't have access to our info. We are bound but separated communities. For example I think many of us on this forum are more honest with each other about our concerns and info than we are with our own family and/or close friends and neighbours. Honest with complete strangers that we likely will never meet. So my point is, is that because of our need to unite with like minded people- safety in numbers- we are exposing ourselves to the intruders via internet, etc.
Perhaps I'm not expressing myself very well but I hope you get the idea.

It really struck me when Rogers offered home monitor system so "you can keep an eye on your loved ones, etc" BIG BROTHER!!!

What bothers me is the way that Harper is doing whatever Obama wants him to do and Obama (Homeland Security) wants access to every bit of personal information on every Canadian as well as on every American.
They can call it whatever they want but the bottom line is they are not only poking their noses into every Canadian's personal business but also making it available to the United States.
While they may say that if you have nothing to hide why are you making such a big deal out of it but that is not the point. Once they set a precedence what other invasions of our privacy will be next?
It reminds me of the famous statement "First they came" by pastor Martin Niemöller who lived from 1892–1984 and was about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. While there is some disagreement over the exact wording this is close enough for me:
First they came for the communists, 
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, 
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, 
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me 
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

goes hand in hand with the the new bills down south.....

the question is; why are the government's so concerned with what gets said on the web.....what are they preparing for.... makes me think something is stinky in the world....

their getting ready for civil unrest ( in my opinion ), things are going to get ugly and they need to control the back lash that will inevitably occurr.

the question is; why are the government's so concerned with what gets said on the web

If you or I are going to have an opinion, it can only be based on the information we have available to form that opinion. If I control all sources of information you receive, I'm going to be pretty damn sure what opinion you'll have.
Things were going pretty well right up until the internet came along.

Garbage in = garbage out.

Everyone in N. Korea LOVES Kim.

once the internet is shut down or censored to a larger degree, the world will become a whole lot smaller once again.

Why would they shut it down? They would want to control it and all it's content but it's also their best source of information. Bill C-51 gives them the legal right to monitor everyone's activity. All our activity over the last few years probably makes every one of us here a "person of interest". People post all kinds of dumb crap.
How about that guy in Washington? Posting on a website about shooting people. FBI contacts him, strings him along, supplies him with a disabled gun and bomb, arrests him as a terrorist. They trapped him while he was THINKING about violence. Hadn't done a thing and may never have if not for the FBI.
It would be foolish for them to give up the ability to be the thought police.

Any military guy can tell you the value of being privy to enemy comms.

Bill C-51. Big deal. What makes anyone think that BB isn't already monitoring our comms. All that C-51 does is tell us that they can and will monitor us without a warrant. In the past, illegal wiretaps couldn't be used as evidence in court (monitoring your internet activity is essentially wiretapping). Now Bill C-51 lets big brother close that annoying loophole.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that the Royal Red and CSIS have all of our posts stored in a data base somewhere for future reference. When the day comes that Canada follows the U.S. down the rabbit hole, BB will be able to pull up every post with any hint of dissatisfaction we've ever sent on the forum. Nothing sent over wire or airwaves is secure or secret, all that Bill C-51 does, is say that now they've made it legal and we have no say in the matter.

Why would they shut it down? They would want to control it and all it's content but it's also their best source of information. Bill C-51 gives them the legal right to monitor everyone's activity. All our activity over the last few years probably makes every one of us here a "person of interest". People post all kinds of dumb crap.
How about that guy in Washington? Posting on a website about shooting people. FBI contacts him, strings him along, supplies him with a disabled gun and bomb, arrests him as a terrorist. They trapped him while he was THINKING about violence. Hadn't done a thing and may never have if not for the FBI.
It would be foolish for them to give up the ability to be the thought police.

Any military guy can tell you the value of being privy to enemy comms.

This set up on the washington guy was so cheesy.
They should be up on charges for cohersing some dumb ass to pack around a fake gun and bomb.
Anything to make the americans feel there actually is a threat.

This is important enough that I mailed my MP.
My first:

To: Raitt, Lisa - M.P.
Subject: Bill C-51

I been applauding the direction the Conservative party lately with the
scrapping of the long gun registry and what seems to be more sanity when
dealing with people who stand up to crime.
These measures appear to be steps forward in support of our liberties.
However, with Bill C-51 you're about to squander all of my support that
you've earned lately.
Chasing down the bad guys is a great thing. Treating citizens as
criminals has never, and will never be, effective.
Our eyes are upon you on this, please let sanity prevail.

Thank you.

A reply:

Dear Mr. ------------,

Thank you very much for taking the time to pass along your concerns on Bill C-51 to us.
We want to update our laws while striking the right balance between combating crime and protecting privacy.
Let me be very clear: the police will not be able to read emails or view web activity unless they obtain a warrant issued by a judge.
We have constructed safeguards to protect the privacy of Canadians, including audits by privacy commissioners.
What's needed most is an open discussion about how to better protect Canadians from online crime. We will therefore send this legislation directly to Parliamentary Committee for a full examination of the best ways to protect Canadians while respecting their privacy.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to send this to us. Please do not hesitate to contact us in future should you have any questions or concerns.
Sincerely,
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Office of The Honourable Lisa Raitt, PC, MP

My reply:

Thanks for the reply.
Policies are often implemented with the best of intentions but either fail miserably or are taken to extremes.
I'm fond of this quote:
You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered.
Lyndon B. Johnson

I find much potential for abuse in this legislation.

Thanks again for your time.