Hi Ukranian...welcome to the forum.
Just out of curiosity, what newspaper article did you read about us in?

Hi Ukranian...welcome to the forum.
Just out of curiosity, what newspaper article did you read about us in?

It wasn't about the forum specifically. It was about preppers in BC and the authro of the article said that after looking into it he found a whole thriving community of preppers in bc. he said he found all this on a forum and as far as I can tell this was the only BC preppers forum. I believe it was The Province newspaper, it was a Sunday issue I think and it was a very tiny article like 7 pages in.

Welcome.
I think you could provide an invaluable resource to the members here. You've seen an actual collapse firsthand. Many here speculate on the consequences of such an event.
Even though you were very young , your impressions are going to make for some enlightening reading. That one sentence certainly caught my eye and re-enforces what I've always said. Your garden is probably the most important prep you can have.

The only reason me and millions of others in the Soviet Union survived utter economic collapse is because everyone that lives in the city has gandma and granpa in the village who supplied them with potatoes, garlic onions etc etc.

Welcome , I have to concur with you , I am vehemently opposed to the environmental devastation of the tar sands oil extraction and that resulting in further burning fossil fuels , climate change is going to be a serious issue in my opinion that isn't examined much here considering it is a prepping forum . Though I thoroughly understand the economic gained benefit of it being an exploited resource. However in the back of my mind I sincerely do believe that 30 years from now the Americans would absolutely steam roll over us to exploit it themselves if it were left in the ground so as awful as it is polluting water, soils, atmosphere , I feel it is inevitable and is benefitting us whereas in the future I think there would be conflict and taken from us .
I was reading a US military website discussing Canada's claims to arctic north pole territory and these largely US military members were 98 percent of the attitude that Canada was so insignificant that they were entitled to take everything for their own in the comments after the article . I do believe that mindset would prevail in a more chaotic and desperate situation . And I believe we will see more chaotic and desperate situations .
I have to agree, a healthy organic garden, and access to clean water is paramount. Besides feeding you and light exercise it is good for the soul .

I'd love to know which U.S. military forum had 98% of the participants say Canada was insignificant. I'm not saying the gov'ts don't and won't argue over various claims, have in the past and will in the future, but there's an awful lot of oil that could be tappped here and probably would before the U.S. shrugged off the international disaster of invading a traditional ally. NAFTA and NATO aside, the back and forth in goods and money between the English-based nations is a pretty complex web to risk tearing.

As far as individual small groups heading somewhere, I don't think it's impossible. However, I do think it would go both ways in an extreme long-term grid-down situation, because even a fair number of the natives require fuels, ammo and goods that come from industrial areas.

There is good news on that front, though. You really only have to worry about the good ol' boys from the NE corner and Great Lakes area. Farther west, they still benefit from low human-wildlife and human-livestock ratios (and they'd likely be the first hit should wads of armed groups suddenly take to their feet).

However, without fuels and foods, and without extensive experience or training, the city and more southern folks will get taken out by Mother Nature before they do too much damage. It's hard to find people who know how to dress and pack for both cold weather and heat, who know how to not get dysentery-like symptoms from the diseases that result from poor hygiene, poor food handling, and poor water treatment, and they're likely to shoot a bear with a poor caliber choice, break an ankle hiking in ditches and over hills because they're not accustomed to it and be abandoned (because you only carry somebody you love for long, and jackals trim the fat even in the best of times), stick the wrong plant in their mouth (back to stomach disorders, although some will outright kill you if you eat enough), or wear cotton and end up hypothermic with even 40 degree F temps because they don't know how to make dry, snug shelters.

On the other hand, I can also easily see a shift from the north if you lose petroleum products, because heating fuel can be scarce and there may be hope for jobs or at least warmer temperatures from the south. I also see more Mexicans coming north away from droughts and crime on the border and looking for work.

Somebody hit me with the forum, for real, because I'd really like to see the full context and see just how many of the participants list their MOS and deployment history. Thanks!

welcome and glad you have found us. You have some very interesting experiences I must say, I have always wondered what is was like pre 1990 in soviet russia and later 1992 post collapse.

I'd love to know which U.S. military forum had 98% of the participants say Canada was insignificant

Perhaps out of context. Certainly our capability to exercise our influence in the arctic is insignificant . Compared to Russia, China and the US going after newly exposed resources in the arctic, we just don't amount to sh*t.

I often worry about the US invading Canada (and not the usual way they do it now by just buying it or litigating control of resources)...

But then again...they cant even secure Afghanistan or Iraq (Those wars were lost the moment they put boots on the ground). How the heck could they secure a country as large as Canada...where we could just walk across the boarder on snow shoes with a back pack full of trouble for payback.

But then again...Americans have been known to do suicidally stupid things before.

welcome and glad you have found us. You have some very interesting experiences I must say, I have always wondered what is was like pre 1990 in soviet russia and later 1992 post collapse.

I hate to sound like a total commie but life was pretty damn good during the Soviet era.
We had allt he important infastructure that a society needs to function; we had free, universal healthcare. We had free in many cases you were paid post secondary education, we had roads bridges hospitals militarty, sciences technology research etc etc. After the collapse of the Soviet Union we lost it all. Everyting became corrupt. Infasstructure colapsed. Police became crooked etc etc.

I know people in north america see communism as this great evil enemy of their way of life and it is to be avoided and hated but i can tell you first hand during communist the people had everyting. Sure they didnt have a choice of material products but all the basics in life were provided. The government gave you free apartments, there was healthcare; education was considered a must. Every adult in the soviet era had a post secondary degree. I can telly ou that the Soviet Union in my part of the world was a good place for our people. Its when we were "liberated" is when the troubles started happening and our society collapsed. The population of Ukraine dwindled from 60Mil. to 44Mil. And right now its is very poor and corrupt. Most of the old folks in Ukraine now talk about the good ol days when communism was there and the people had everything they needed to live happy lives. Nobody was starving, everyone was healthy, educated and happy. (At least ine part of the USSR where I am from. I know that not all parts of the USSR were great). My dad says if it wasn't for the collapse of communism he would of never got our family out of there because life was good.
I was young but I do remember all the buldings were freshly painted; the roads were smooth; the doctor always came to my house to assess me. We had food and everyone was happy. I is after the collapse of the soviet union that I saw a different world. A world we had no choice but to abanon and were fortunate enough to have the opportunity to come to the best country in the world which is Canada.

Having said that; as someone that was born outside of this country and has seen many parts of the world I can tell you that we are squandering the greatest mecca of natural resourses on earth. If Canadians had more pride in their country we would all be out in the streets protesting the giving away of our natural resources. Canada is the last land of plenty on earth. And i find we are far too occupied with petty garbage things that dont matter (like bike lanes) and not focused enough on turning our resources into products and profiting from them. Put it this way (I lived in Japan for a while) IF Canada was suddenly give to Japanes people in about a decade this would become the richest country in the world. UAE (Dubai) would look like a 3rd world country compared to us. I love this country so dearly and it kills me to watch it get robbed for its resources.

U_C,
Why do you believe that the Americans will take by force, what they can already have by treaty and trading relationship? To whom do you see us "giving away" our resources? Corporations pay royalties on lumber, natural gas, oil, gold, diamonds, etc. Is there a secret pipeline to the US where royalties are not paid? Instead, would you have crown corporations have exclusive license to exploit Canada's natural resources? All with government bureaucrats and unions running the show? Aren't we already one of the richest countries in the world?

Syn, What is your opinion of SAG-D methods for recovering bitumen from the OIL sands?

Antsy

Righton love how you see the world. Yeah I know whatcha mean, I always thought a soviet country would be good for the people. Mainly because it was created by the people for the people, the government knows of the hardships of what had happened before and thus they fight hard to make it more ideal in every way possible and trying to avoid the loss of touch of these facts over time. I have always found it fascinating. I now work in the forest industry around my town. The trees are made into the final product and then shipping. Just this year we began to ship special custom made OSB plywood to japan. I believe this is a great thing. I do wish more industries would follow suit and do the same. I still believe there is much room for imporovement, I would like to see our waste material made into crates of other things to be sold also in the old mill that is currently not being used, This would employ more people and create more growth in the area. I am a very active protester as well. The sad fact I come across a lot is people saying that what I am doing is annoying, useless, unimportant or wrong. I just want our country to be much better then it is now, and I do this my getting mad, matching and yelling. But they don't understand or get it. They often don't even have a clue what laws are here to date and which are being changed or created this year. Unless it is followed by the media, they have absolutely no clue. Ignorance at it's best to tell someone like me what I am doing wrong when it come to my personnel belief in politics. any ways. I was also wondering in regards to the soviet union, what things happened, or became to happen before the collapse. Was it just slowly get more and more corrupt or what warning signs could have been seen that something was going wrong. how long before the collapse came could any signs be seen or was it all of a sudden everyone found themselves in a very disturbing and odd situation? Sincerely coinzero and thanks sooo much for your time and info on this matter.

<< I always thought a soviet country would be good for the people. Mainly because it was created by the people for the people>>

I hope you're kidding. Just curious, have you watched/read Animal Farm?

<< I was also wondering in regards to the soviet union, what things happened>>

collapse of communism was due to a bad foundation. Anything that is build on a bad foundation is going to collapse.

<< I always thought a soviet country would be good for the people. Mainly because it was created by the people for the people>>

I hope you're kidding. Just curious, have you watched/read Animal Farm?

<< I was also wondering in regards to the soviet union, what things happened>>

collapse of communism was due to a bad foundation. Anything that is build on a bad foundation is going to collapse.

absolutley. this means we are surely doomed.
communism was bad but definetly had its good parts. capitlaizm on the other hand is a runaway train and the collapse of our way of life here will make the collapse of the soviet union look like a picnic.

U_C,
Why do you believe that the Americans will take by force, what they can already have by treaty and trading relationship? To whom do you see us "giving away" our resources? Corporations pay royalties on lumber, natural gas, oil, gold, diamonds, etc. Is there a secret pipeline to the US where royalties are not paid? Instead, would you have crown corporations have exclusive license to exploit Canada's natural resources? All with government bureaucrats and unions running the show? Aren't we already one of the richest countries in the world?

Syn, What is your opinion of SAG-D methods for recovering bitumen from the OIL sands?

Antsy

absolutley. this means we are surely doomed.
communism was bad but definetly had its good parts. capitlaizm on the other hand is a runaway train and the collapse of our way of life here will make the collapse of the soviet union look like a picnic.

There is never a shortage of people who can "see" what's wrong with this or that system. Now the real task is finding those some few who can offer a viable alternative which would be a distinct improvement. Capitalism has been a viable system since Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" published 1776. It is not a perfect system but has shown itself to be quite flexible. Consider the incredible changes our societies have experienced since the late 18th century! It is all very good to criticize the established order (yawn). Show me something that will work better in its place.

Antsy